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Dai Phan -> Hanging planes on sheet rock ceilings help! (4/25/2008 2:38:32 PM)

Hello all,

My new house in SC has sheet rock ceilings and I would like to know the best way to hang my planes up. These planes weight between 9-13 lbs. I don't think the plastic stud can hold the weight of the plane. Please advise. DP




Walt Thyng -> RE: Hanging planes on sheet rock ceilings help! (4/25/2008 2:47:57 PM)

Find the rafters and set hooks or use "T" anchors. Most dry wall should handle the weight. If your're really paranoid get those adjustable ceiling fan mounts at one of the big box supply stores.
Walt




Dai Phan -> RE: Hanging planes on sheet rock ceilings help! (4/25/2008 2:53:05 PM)

Hi,

I have no idea what you mean by the rafters or "T" anchors. Can you post some pictures? Thanks DP




RCKen -> RE: Hanging planes on sheet rock ceilings help! (4/25/2008 3:01:20 PM)

I wouldn't hang directly from the sheetrock. It's possible a heavier plane could pull loose. What I do is find the ceiling joists in your ceiling and then set a ceiling lag hook into that joist. Joists are the wood (usually 2"x4") members that the sheetrock is hung from. They are usually set at a 16" center, meaning they are 16" apart. You can purchase a stud finder at your local home improvement store (Lowe's, Home Depot, hardware store, etc...) which will help you locate the joists behind the sheetrock. To mount the ceiling lag hook first drill a pilot hole and then screw in the lag hook. This will securely hold even the heaviest planes.

Ken




Dai Phan -> RE: Hanging planes on sheet rock ceilings help! (4/25/2008 3:07:17 PM)

Hi all,

So above the sheet rock is a matrix of wooden studs that are 16" apart? There are only certain places that I can hang these planes due to the sizes. If I understand correctly, buy a stud finder then just screw the hooks directly into that? And the studs should be all over the ceiling? DP




Deadeye -> RE: Hanging planes on sheet rock ceilings help! (4/25/2008 3:08:04 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: RCKen

I wouldn't hang directly from the sheetrock. It's possible a heavier plane could pull loose. What I do is find the ceiling joists in your ceiling and then set a ceiling lag hook into that joist. Joists are the wood (usually 2"x4") members that the sheetrock is hung from. They are usually set at a 16" center, meaning they are 16" apart. You can purchase a stud finder at your local home improvement store (Lowe's, Home Depot, hardware store, etc...) which will help you locate the joists behind the sheetrock. To mount the ceiling lag hook first drill a pilot hole and then screw in the lag hook. This will securely hold even the heaviest planes.

Ken


Yep, that's what I do.




RCKen -> RE: Hanging planes on sheet rock ceilings help! (4/25/2008 3:22:44 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Dai Phan

Hi all,

So above the sheet rock is a matrix of wooden studs that are 16" apart? There are only certain places that I can hang these planes due to the sizes. If I understand correctly, buy a stud finder then just screw the hooks directly into that? And the studs should be all over the ceiling? DP


Yes, the joists are above the sheetrock. You can see the joists in the attached picture. You screw the hooks into these joists.

Ken




rwright142 -> RE: Hanging planes on sheet rock ceilings help! (4/25/2008 3:40:42 PM)

The sheetrock screws into the joists too if that helps at all.

Here's a link to how a stud finder works: How Do Stud Finders Work?




Weasel Keeper -> RE: Hanging planes on sheet rock ceilings help! (4/25/2008 4:20:22 PM)

As most have said, don't rely on the sheetrock itself. It's analogous to most of the planes themselves. Think of the sheetrock as the outer covering and the rafters as the underlying support structure. You want to tie into the underlying support structure (rafters).

I have added a couple of pics of a storage rack that I built (read, showing off). Notice that it is hinged to the wall with old door hinges and latches to the ceiling using a gate latch. This way I can unlatch the rack and allow it to hang for loading and unloading. It may or may not work for you depending on your specific layout.

BTW, you will also notice telltale signs of a rather primitive stud finder in the pics [:D]




Yuu -> RE: Hanging planes on sheet rock ceilings help! (4/25/2008 5:25:51 PM)

Dai.... the photo in post #7 is worth a thousand words. That photo is called "stick framed" and usually the wood ceiling joists are 16" on center, so you will find a joist each 16" from the other. Note the joists run from outer wall to inner support... usually, but not always. Next, not shown, is a framing method using roof 'truss' construction, which are usually 24" on center, thus are 24" apart. Truss frame usually runs from outer wall to outer wall, across the entire width of the building. Factory made trusses go up fast, and cut labor costs in the field job site. Stick framed is usually where the cost of shipping trusses, or the route into the job site, is too expensive. Your ceiling may be either kind.
At the store, they have a little 3/4" magnet, pivoting in a little plastic case, used for locating drywall screws or nails which hold the drywall to the stud. About two bucks. Slide it gently across the wall or ceiling and find a screw or nail there may be a joist above it.
Next, get some hooks as shown in one of the other pictures. Each has a 'load carrying capacity' and will be shown on the parts bin or on the hook itself. Some with a threaded shaft about the size of a pencil are good for 30 pounds or so. Then, look at the minor diameter of the screw thread..... the little diameter between the threads. This is the diameter of drill bit you want to use to drill the pilot hole for the screw. The parts bin also may have a drill bit size listed for that particular hook. You want threads in the wood, but not 'split' the wood, so pre-drill the holes. Then, I like to use a tiny 1/16" drill to drill several holes where the joist 'should be'... joists are usually 1-1/2" wide, so drill a couple little holes ... if the drill slides right through the drywall into air, you missed. Drill and find wood. Then determine the center of the wood joist. Drill into the wood... just far enough so all the threads on the hook are in the WOOD. Of course, the wood is 1/2" or 5/8" above the visable surface on the dry wall ceiling.
They also have 'round eye' screws which are not hooks. BUT... there is also a 'machine screw' thread on a different type of hook ... they look the same, but the threads are smaller, for nuts and washers. But you want the bigger 'wood screw' type for screwing into wood. The local hardware store has them, and also the 'big box' lumber and home centers.




djr1007 -> RE: Hanging planes on sheet rock ceilings help! (4/26/2008 6:11:51 AM)

Wesel Keeper:
You should show that off! I've built very similar hangers on the wall, and hangers from the cieling, I never thought of putting the two together.




Campy -> RE: Hanging planes on sheet rock ceilings help! (4/26/2008 7:03:10 PM)

If all else fails and you HAVE TO place hangers where there are no studs/rafters/beams, take a look at "Ceiling Hooks". They are used for hanging potted plants and typically can handle around 10lbs per hook.
If you look at a package of them you will understand what I am refering to here: You drill a hole in the sheetrock, then a "Butterfly" nut is attached to the hook and pushed through the hole. The "butterfly" nut expands and then you tighten the bolt up. The local term is butterfly nut, however they have several different names. It is 2 pieces of sheet metal that are attached to either side of a nut with a spring that pulls the sheet metal open. This spreads the "load" over a larger area.




daveopam -> RE: Hanging planes on sheet rock ceilings help! (4/26/2008 10:10:53 PM)

I did it a little different in my shop. I could care less if it was pretty. So I nailed a 1x4 at the peak the length of the shop. I still had to nail the 1x4 into the studs but once it was up I could put a hook anywhere along it. I also hung the lighting from the same 1x4. Killed two birds with one stone. So to speak.

David




Dai Phan -> RE: Hanging planes on sheet rock ceilings help! (4/28/2008 6:57:05 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Campy

If all else fails and you HAVE TO place hangers where there are no studs/rafters/beams, take a look at "Ceiling Hooks". They are used for hanging potted plants and typically can handle around 10lbs per hook.
If you look at a package of them you will understand what I am refering to here: You drill a hole in the sheetrock, then a "Butterfly" nut is attached to the hook and pushed through the hole. The "butterfly" nut expands and then you tighten the bolt up. The local term is butterfly nut, however they have several different names. It is 2 pieces of sheet metal that are attached to either side of a nut with a spring that pulls the sheet metal open. This spreads the "load" over a larger area.


Hi,

I tried to search some photos but came up empty. Do you have a source for thos specialized hooks? Can I find them at local hardware store? Thanks! DP




skeeter_ca -> RE: Hanging planes on sheet rock ceilings help! (4/28/2008 9:07:22 PM)

Any hardware store will have a large assortment of sizes. Go wonder about sometimes and you'll be amazed at what you find.

skeeter




JustErik -> RE: Hanging planes on sheet rock ceilings help! (4/30/2008 1:49:41 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Campy

If all else fails and you HAVE TO place hangers where there are no studs/rafters/beams, take a look at "Ceiling Hooks". They are used for hanging potted plants and typically can handle around 10lbs per hook.
If you look at a package of them you will understand what I am refering to here: You drill a hole in the sheetrock, then a "Butterfly" nut is attached to the hook and pushed through the hole. The "butterfly" nut expands and then you tighten the bolt up. The local term is butterfly nut, however they have several different names. It is 2 pieces of sheet metal that are attached to either side of a nut with a spring that pulls the sheet metal open. This spreads the "load" over a larger area.



I'm with Campy on this one. I use these exclusively. They are commonly called swag hooks. I get mine at Wally World.

[image]http://images.orgill.com/200x200/5715636.jpg[/image]

They are more than adequate for any plane I have. :)




SoCalSal -> RE: Hanging planes on sheet rock ceilings help! (4/30/2008 5:55:32 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Dai Phan


quote:

ORIGINAL: Campy

If all else fails and you HAVE TO place hangers where there are no studs/rafters/beams, take a look at "Ceiling Hooks". They are used for hanging potted plants and typically can handle around 10lbs per hook.
If you look at a package of them you will understand what I am refering to here: You drill a hole in the sheetrock, then a "Butterfly" nut is attached to the hook and pushed through the hole. The "butterfly" nut expands and then you tighten the bolt up. The local term is butterfly nut, however they have several different names. It is 2 pieces of sheet metal that are attached to either side of a nut with a spring that pulls the sheet metal open. This spreads the "load" over a larger area.


Hi,

I tried to search some photos but came up empty. Do you have a source for thos specialized hooks? Can I find them at local hardware store? Thanks! DP

Dai, if you need to hang your models and can not find a roof joist in the spot you want to hang from. Then try is idea..find two joists and screw a piece of wood between the two joists and then you can place your hanging device anywhere along that piece of wood without the worry of the models falling
If your sheetrock on the roof is not sprayed with that "popcorn" looking stuff you can usually see a small dent in the sheetrock (drywall) where the screws or nails are that hold it up to the joists. But a good stud finder will come in handy many many times in the future, Next time you want to hang a picture on the wall for your wife (if you have one ) you will be very glad that you spent the money on a studfinder. I used mine to find the vertical studs on a wall to hang my big screen T.V. from and belive me I wanted it secured to something that will hold forever.




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