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35% bird question - 4/27/2008 3:00:31 AM

Greg Cothern

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Anyone here ever own (or spend much time flying) the Hangar 9 Cap 232?? I know your thinking how does this pertain to Wild Hare, well here it is. Later this year I plan to buy/build another 33-35% bird, I am having such fun with my H9 Cap wanted to know which Wild Hare would be equal or better? Probably will power with it with a DA-85 (I just put on in my Cap, WOW what fun LoL).

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RE: 35% bird question - 4/27/2008 4:10:32 AM

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Equal or better, leaning very hard towards a lot better, would be the soon to be released Edge. At minimum equal is the Extra. Prolly better than equal since it has never had coupling to any degree worth talking about..

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RE: 35% bird question - 4/27/2008 4:16:07 AM

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So Pat, you think the soon to be released WH Edge is better than the WH Extra??? In what respects???

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RE: 35% bird question - 4/27/2008 4:53:50 AM

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I should have qualified that a little better. For 3D the new Edge will beat up on a lot of airplanes, with the big H-9 Cap being one of them. It will likely be better in IMAC as well. The W/H 35% Extra wins over both in IMAC.

I mean...it's a big Edge with lots of wing area, light, well proportioned (meaning large) control surfaces, and has the tail feathers in the right places.

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RE: 35% bird question - 4/27/2008 4:15:42 PM

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This question really needs more details, I'd need to know what your goals are in flying. Different planes have different target environments.

An Edge is excellent in 3d and low speed handling, making it easy to land as well as versatile in the air. But it is not super stable an all directions, if you want to fly in a straight line the Edge is not what you want. It excels at 3d because it is so easy to move it around the sky, if you want it to look like an airliner then your work load will be higher.

The Cap flies a lot like an Extra, it's more stable but still able to do 3D well. Our Extra is bigger than the H9 Cap but still inside the 85's flight envelope.

The Giles is sort of the opposite of the Edge. In normal flight it is super stable, goes right where you point it without any messing about from the pilot. Wild Hare's Giles a very good 3D machine due to the huge control surfaces, normally a scale Giles would not have the control authority to overcome the inherent stability of the design.

Greg, I have a really good idea for you. I have the Wonder Edge set up with 3 different types of wings Edge, Extra, and Giles. It has a DA-85 on it already. You can switch between setups, use the Edge wings for pure 3D, the Extra wings for IMAC type flying and the Giles wings for fun and/or to use as a glider tug or any other utility function where you want a real stable platform.

I've been playing with this concept and I'm considering putting it into production, would like some opinions.

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RE: 35% bird question - 4/27/2008 4:30:50 PM

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Not a bad idea. If the stab and moment coordinates work well for all three wing designs it's a great concept.

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RE: 35% bird question - 4/27/2008 7:22:30 PM

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Tom, what I really like about my Cap is how well it tumbles, spins, etc, what I dont like about it is the coupling (sure I could mix most of if not all of it out, but that require I actually open my radio manual and WORK LoL). I fly purely with sticks, never used a mix at all on any flight surface, I should probably learn about the mixes to mix out these ill effects, but I just enjoy the flying too much hehe.

The idea of different wing sets does sound like a good method to achieve different flight envelopes. The fuse for the Edge and Extra is basically the same correct?? So the difference if flight would be the wing??? On the Giles I know from a previous smaller Giles I had that they are quite short in fuse length, with the added moment seems it would make it more patternish??? I think from your stand point it would certainly be easy enough to offer this option for a common fuse to give mutliple characteristics. I like the thought! I will give it some serious thought, as I do plan to keep my Cap as well (gotta put a new fuse on it soon simply cause it is 6 years old and it would only cost me 400 to have it as fresh as new one).

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RE: 35% bird question - 4/27/2008 8:51:16 PM

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A Giles with true scale moments is every bit a pattern plane. Think precision animal.

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RE: 35% bird question - 4/27/2008 11:16:24 PM

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Tom, what I really like about my Cap is how well it tumbles, spins, etc, what I dont like about it is the coupling (sure I could mix most of if not all of it out, but that require I actually open my radio manual and WORK LoL). I fly purely with sticks, never used a mix at all on any flight surface, I should probably learn about the mixes to mix out these ill effects, but I just enjoy the flying too much hehe.

Any of our planes will be very close to neutral. No plane is perfectly neutral in all orientations, but a Cap really is one of the worst layouts because of the very low wing and high stab. H9 cheated the design a little and it's not too bad, but pretty much any mid-wing plane like an Edge or Extra 260/300 will be closer to neutral.

As a rule of thumb you should never need more than a 10% mix to correct coupling, more than that and you are fighting an uphill battle.

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The idea of different wing sets does sound like a good method to achieve different flight envelopes. The fuse for the Edge and Extra is basically the same correct?? So the difference if flight would be the wing???

Yes. There are minor differences like the shape of the rudder, but the major thing that affects flying is the wing design.

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On the Giles I know from a previous smaller Giles I had that they are quite short in fuse length, with the added moment seems it would make it more patternish???

This is one of those myths that it seems just cannot be beaten back. The full scale Giles G202 has the longest fuselage to wing ratio of any of the modern aerobatic planes except for one other which is longer by about .01%. The giles has a .909 to 1 fuse-to-wing ratio, most of the others are between .82 and .88. A properly scaled Giles is more like a pattern plane.

TF

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RE: 35% bird question - 4/27/2008 11:24:55 PM

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I was speaking with the designer of the original Giles a couple of days ago and it seems the only reason it never took off as a big seller was due to marketing forces. The people making them did not have a desire to give one away or super discount a couple to big name aerobatic competitors at the time, where Extra and a couple of others did. Had they done so the Giles would likely be a lot more prominent today.

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RE: 35% bird question - 4/27/2008 11:44:17 PM

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Did not know that the scale Giles had that long of a moment, I guess the previous model I had was "adjusted" LoL.

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RE: 35% bird question - 4/28/2008 2:30:24 PM

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My personal opinion is you can not beat the WH Sukhoi. I don't fly alot of IMAC, but it is a GREAT 3d ship. Super stable and rock solid in hovers and harriers. Rollong circles are nice and yet it lands at a crawl. Mine came in at 25.5 pounds with a 3w 106. I used 1-5955 for each surface, including ailerons. I used a 8711 for the rudder and a standard servo for the throttle.

OK Tom I had to come back and edit this post since my curiosity was up. Lets hear more about this 35% edge!! do you have any preview pics and a possible release date? I may have to rethink the Giles!!??

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RE: 35% bird question - 4/29/2008 4:28:43 AM

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No color scheme yet.

If you ever want to fly precision the Edge will not be the platform for it. Giles wins out big time. However, the Giles flies some pretty clean 3d)

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