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Death of a WillHobby FW 190 - 4/29/2008 8:28:19 PM

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Nothing else to say.. other than the cause is obvious. I forgot to put Fritz in the cockpit before the flight! How can a plane fly without a pilot? Watch the video and you'll see! They don't!

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RE: Death of a WillHobby FW 190 - 4/29/2008 8:57:11 PM

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That's sad to see! Sorry about your loss

Did you determine what happened?

Jeff

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RE: Death of a WillHobby FW 190 - 4/29/2008 9:05:23 PM

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Left aileron came loose. Seems that the CA didn't seep in as well as it should have. This was my first build bigger than a .46 and no one bothered to tell me little secrets, like using pins to help secure the hinges. Next time, trust me, they'll be pinned!

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RE: Death of a WillHobby FW 190 - 4/29/2008 9:24:11 PM

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I had one just like that with a P40. Total loss on that plane too. It was a great looking plane!

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RE: Death of a WillHobby FW 190 - 4/29/2008 9:36:24 PM

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Ouch.

Sorry for your lost KC! I know how much of a pain it was for you just to get the darn thing!

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RE: Death of a WillHobby FW 190 - 4/29/2008 9:50:27 PM

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Sorry to see such a nice war bird go in.

And it started flying so nicely

It does look fixable.

Don't you just love all the great advice you get when you take the carcass back to the pits.
My first big ARF, a Spitfire with a 90ST in it, lost the elevator on the 5th flight. First comments "didn't you pin the hinges? you should always pin the hinges"
Thanks for telling me AFTER the event

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RE: Death of a WillHobby FW 190 - 4/29/2008 9:55:39 PM

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Sorry to see such a nice war bird go in. And it started flying so nicely

It does look fixable.

Don't you just love all the great advice you get when you take the carcass back to the pits.
My first big ARF, a Spitfire with a 90ST in it, lost the elevator on the 5th flight. First comments "didn't you pin the hinges? you should always pin the hinges"
Thanks for telling me AFTER the event

I think we have the same people in the pits!

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RE: Death of a WillHobby FW 190 - 4/29/2008 11:27:48 PM

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That right horizontal stab doesn't look right. It seems like it's bent or bending downward as soon as you took off. Can you verify this? I paused it during the climb.

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RE: Death of a WillHobby FW 190 - 4/30/2008 12:29:50 AM

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Both right and left had a very slight equal downward angle. I looked at the video and think I see what you saw, and it was nowhere near how it looked in the video. Both were still in place after the crash.

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RE: Death of a WillHobby FW 190 - 4/30/2008 1:18:01 AM

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I would bet money on reversed ailerons. It goes through the typical gyrations of reversed aileron flight. Gradual turn to the left and then the bank increases as the modeler tries to compensate, eventually it’s in a full spin. When it get inverted in a few spins in frustration and confusion the modeler gives full opposite aileron and it spins the other way, I’ve seen it many times. I watched the video very closely and the ailerons are firmly attached, at least until impact when most likely the servo came loose and tor the aileron off.
Here are some videos of what I mean:
Reversed aileron videohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cwmT5hmI3U

Another reversed aileron video!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikJV7b54T4I

It happens to us all

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RE: Death of a WillHobby FW 190 - 4/30/2008 1:23:25 AM

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Man
Sorry to see that happen. I feel your pain!
What engine's in there and how did it fare? OK? I sure hope so.
Al

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RE: Death of a WillHobby FW 190 - 4/30/2008 1:51:04 AM

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Luck was on my side as far as hardware goes. I tested all the components and everything turned out fine. I don't think it was reversed ailerons. I checked it several times over the past several weeks, as well as having others check it. And unless my Spektrum DX7 reversed them from the time I checked them in preflight and the time it lifted off. I would almost rather have that been the cause, at least then it wouldn't have been from some stupid building mistake. Not saying it wasn't the cause. Funny thing, I'm not all the upset about it. Maybe she was meant to crash from the time the jerk I bought it from on e-bay. Good experience in the build though.
Just checked my radio......just in case. Ailerons are not reversed in it.

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RE: Death of a WillHobby FW 190 - 4/30/2008 1:54:32 AM

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quote:

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I would bet money on reversed ailerons. It goes through the typical gyrations of reversed aileron flight. Gradual turn to the left and then the bank increases as the modeler tries to compensate, eventually it’s in a full spin. When it get inverted in a few spins in frustration and confusion the modeler gives full opposite aileron and it spins the other way, I’ve seen it many times. I watched the video very closely and the ailerons are firmly attached, at least until impact when most likely the servo came loose and tor the aileron off.
Here are some videos of what I mean:
Reversed aileron videohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cwmT5hmI3U

Another reversed aileron video!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikJV7b54T4I

It happens to us all

Just watched the videos. That Mustang was nice...

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RE: Death of a WillHobby FW 190 - 4/30/2008 6:49:25 AM

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KC

Dang that's a dirty shame. I agree with you I don't think your ailerons were reversed. It looks like it started to spin to the left and then it ended up spinning to the right. Do you think it might have stalled? My Zero took off just like your 190, climbing straight up, I'm very lucky it didn't stall. I ended up with full down trim to get it to fly level. I noticed in your video that the elevater hinges had come loose, if they had come loose in the air, that could have caused a stall. I did not use the hinges that came with my kit, I used Dubro pinned hinges. I'm not real crazy about ca hinges especially on a nice model like yours. Sure too bad, very sorry to see that happen.
Ron

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RE: Death of a WillHobby FW 190 - 4/30/2008 7:21:34 AM

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It does look like a stall and then a secondary stall the other way. Especially if you had a lower power setting. That angle of attack was very steep for a model like that especially for not being at full power.

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RE: Death of a WillHobby FW 190 - 4/30/2008 2:11:08 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Adonis
I would bet money on reversed ailerons. It goes through the typical gyrations of reversed aileron flight. Gr