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Build your favorite vintage aircraft from kit plans - 5/3/2008 9:11:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		This aircraft thread was started in another RCU forum but the techniques used might be interesting to the folks here that would like to build an antique aircraft from kit plans. See http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_3973867/tm.htm In this case it is a vintage aircraft that I’ve wanted forever but the kit has been out of production for a long time and very rare. To make it even more difficult I didn’t even have plans when I decided to build it.
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RE: Build your favorite vintage aircraft from kit plans - 5/4/2008 3:33:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Have been doing this for more than a dozen years now. I think the S.A.M. folks began doing this to the greatest extent back then. For is possible to create what is noted via an original kit or from original plans, and those guys tend to know the difference too.

What is generally not mentioned is that "First" thing I hear within 2-3 days after delivery is that Parts don't fit. What they generally did was to pop out the parts then side them into place on the plan for comparision. I let them know to measure overall height and width to the topview and sideview and make another comparision. And, then get back to me. Somewhere along the line he forgot to notice the little N.T.S. note at the typical section.

Or, if the original designer or drafter is still alive they get contacted. "How come the wing has a chord of 9 inches, whereas the sideview of fuselage is shown with wing being 9 3/8" long? where did the extra chord length come from?



At the indicated thread, was a mention of the Tiporare versus the Blue Angel. Back a few months ago, I contacted the folks involved in the Tipo. Go back to a 1980 issue of R/C Model Builder, and is article and plan there about the introduction of the Tipo. The plan was drawn up by Al Paterson who was on staff and paid for my Bill Northrop. Do not know exactly what all was used to create the plan, but you can quickly notice the lack of details. "What size is this?"

Best that I can figure is the Blue Angel is a direct copy of the Tipo, but based upon this once available $5.75 plan. So in that way it is accurate. Now, according to the designers, that plan has numerous errors and is not the same as used for the actual Tipo mouldings. Thus the Blue Angel is not = to the Tiporare, except by inference. The plan was based off some very early wooden mock-ups, not off the fiberglass bodies.

I learned much of this when re-doing a Curare' plan and making parts. Found several plans of "Same Aircraft" but done in Sweden, Germany, Russia, Japan, U.K. and the USA. all were different in certain respects and of different eras too. Thus in one way, you are comparing Apples to Oranges. I made up a whole new plan on the Tipo only to find out this "revised" history story recently.


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RE: Build your favorite vintage aircraft from kit plans - 5/4/2008 7:46:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, RCU has made finding and building from kit plans wonderful.

Not sure if I’m following you on the Blue Angel and Tiporare comparison. The Blue Angel has a swept wing and was designed before the Tiporare and Curare. If you meant to say the Tiporare was a copy/variant of the Curare with modifications to the front of the fuselage by Dick Hanson I’m with you on that.

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RE: Build your favorite vintage aircraft from kit plans - 5/5/2008 3:17:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		When Top Flite released Kazmirski's Orion as a kit, Aristo Craft marketed and copy called the Royal Grace and Marutaka produced one called the Hunter. I have Hunter plans, a Royal Grace kit and the MAN Orion plans and all three reflect similar size and setup.

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RE: Build your favorite vintage aircraft from kit plans - 5/5/2008 3:31:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		Along same lines, I think the Blue Angels first came out in the early 1970's. But plan I saw had something like a 1980-1985 copyright or drawing date upon it. The box had some blue and red making it one of the more common types. Thus I think it may have been in production for some time,a nd you mentioned. Do not remember what differences where.

I have several of the Curare plans, and one indicates a 1973 date on plan and another of (circa) 1980. One says to use a Webra one says an OPS.

What is noted here is that these are all supposed to apply to one basic A/C and not numerous ones. Moreover, I think these aircraft evolved, and were not of some instant revolutionary design. Dave Brown says the made up several "Advanced or altered" Curare aircraft and eventially it no longer was similar to the original. He had a few folks helping out which "Knew" aerodynamics, but were otherwise directly involved in such. Most annoying thing was that they had zero feel to how the a/c was flying, as they could only watch, and not actually be inside and report.

I think same way as with our early era aviators. They could only stand back and watch what was going on. For that particular engine may not have performed great all of the time. It performed good when seen which was most important.

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RE: Build your favorite vintage aircraft from kit plans - 5/7/2008 2:37:42 AM   
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When Top Flite released Kazmirski's Orion as a kit, Aristo Craft marketed and copy called the Royal Grace and Marutaka produced one called the Hunter. I have Hunter plans, a Royal Grace kit and the MAN Orion plans and all three reflect similar size and setup.


The Orion was my second R/C plane and I loved it. Had a wire brake on the switch while flying and it as totaled on a concrete runway. I almost cried when that happened, but I never did rebuild it. I have the plans now and am going to build one as soon as I finish the one I am working on. Still love the Orion and want one bad. It may not be the bast flying pattern plane, but I don't care, I just want one again and hope I can get it to fly as good as the other one did. Oh well, someday soon.
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