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SHOULD I BUY A DISCONTINUED NIB SAITO 120??? - 5/6/2008 7:14:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		I was planning to buy a YS 110 engine for my next build, http://www.centralhobbies.com/engines/ys/ysengines.htm#YS%20FZ-110 . However, a club member has a NIB Saito 120, http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products/TechnicalSpecs.aspx?ProdID=SAIE120S, that he will sell for $150. I liked the YS pumped engine since thr fuel tank can be placed anywhere. But for a $150 should I consider this NIB discontinued Saito?

For some reason the link will not go to the page, it goes to the home page. But under support, manuals and such, is a link to the Saito 120 ad that shows discontinued.

May 7, 2008 update: See post #17 below for the decision.

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RE: SHOULD I BUY A DISCONTINUED NIB SAITO 120??? - 5/6/2008 7:29:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		What is it going in? A YS 110 and Saito 120 are 2 different animals entirely. If your build needs a YS 110 you will not be happy with the saito 120 in its place.

Also, dont confuse the Saito 120 with the 125. The 120 is a relatively heavy engine (comparable to the OS or magnum 120) and is a good sport engine.

$150 is a good price. I would probably buy the saito one way or the other. If its not a good fit for this project it will work in the next.


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RE: SHOULD I BUY A DISCONTINUED NIB SAITO 120??? - 5/6/2008 7:39:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, I know the 125. I just bought one a month ago and have it flying now. I am building a BTE Flyin' King( http://www.btemodels.com/flyin_king.html ) and was going to put another Saito 125 in it. The Saito 125 weighs a bit less than 25 oz, the same as the OS 91 Surpass II. But due to fact I may place the fuel tank in the plane other than right behind the engine, I thought about the YS 110. It is a pumped engine. But then the discontinued NIB Saito 120 could be used for $150

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RE: SHOULD I BUY A DISCONTINUED NIB SAITO 120??? - 5/6/2008 7:50:46 PM   
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Status: online 		I agree with gringo flyer. Buy the Saito, even if you don't use it for your current project. For $150 you can't go wrong, and there are hundreds of planes that the 120 will work well in.

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RE: SHOULD I BUY A DISCONTINUED NIB SAITO 120??? - 5/6/2008 7:58:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		On that plane I would definetly go with the Saito.

The YS110 really isnt a good match on that plane, it is a lot of power and an expensive engine for that application. The Saito will be a lot of power too, but at that price its a good bet and I am sure that plane can handle a few extra ounces.

You could run a simple pump to be able to mount the fuel tank away from the engine. I would even try something like a one way valve on your exhaust line to see if that would help.

Some folks might disagree with me on this but I have found my 4 strokes are not very demanding on tank location. I recently built a big trainer for my son (similar to the flyin king in fact) and was worried about tank location. It is way lower than the carb. I decided to check it out before making any drastic changes to mount the tank higher and found that the engine runs great. Idles all day without any porblems. In fact, you can disconnect the pressure line and it still runs fine.

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RE: SHOULD I BUY A DISCONTINUED NIB SAITO 120??? - 5/6/2008 8:39:07 PM   
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Status: online 		Not only is it illadvised to purchase a dicontinued Saito it is also illadvised to purchase a discontinued YS. Be advised the YS 110 of choice is the YS110S not the YS110FZ of which a few may still be in the pipeline.

A Saito VS YS debate is a no brainer for anyone who had ever actually used both engines and can afford the more expensive engine. And no there is no way an unpumped Saito will ever match the fuel delivery capabililtys of any YS (even the two strokes).

John

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RE: SHOULD I BUY A DISCONTINUED NIB SAITO 120??? - 5/6/2008 8:51:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: JohnBuckner

Not only is it illadvised to purchase a dicontinued Saito it is also illadvised to purchase a discontinued YS. Be advised the YS 110 of choice is the YS110S not the YS110FZ of which a few may still be in the pipeline.

A Saito VS YS debate is a no brainer for anyone who had ever actually used both engines and can afford the more expensive engine. And no there is no way an unpumped Saito will ever match the fuel delivery capabililtys of any YS (even the two strokes).

John

Yes, I was looking at the YS 110S. I agree with the pumped YS engines being great. I have three YS 61 two-strokes(two actively flying) and love them. They are great engines.

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RE: SHOULD I BUY A DISCONTINUED NIB SAITO 120??? - 5/6/2008 9:27:59 PM   
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RE: SHOULD I BUY A DISCONTINUED NIB SAITO 120??? - 5/6/2008 10:09:01 PM   
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I have a Flyin' King with a Saito .91 in it. The .91 is more than sufficiently powerful for that airframe. It is rarely run, in level flight, at more than half throttle. With flaps take of run is about ten or fifteen feet, and that is in grass.

The Saito 1.20 would be a nice engine for that plane, if you like a lot of excess power. You will probably have to install the batteries aft to balance it, no trouble. The airframe will not notice the weight and you will probably have unlimited vertical. You will also need to master the use of the throttle, but it sounds as if you already have.

Flyin' Kings are fun low and slow with partial flaps, an engine with good low-speed torque (the 1.20), and a low-pitch, large diameter propeller. The more you fly it the more fun you will have. I like to hang mine on the prop (nose up) with half-flaps, put in a full rudder deflection and watch it yaw around the propeller. I call it Flyin' King 3-D.

Have fun with yours. For $150 it would be hard to go wrong with that engine.


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RE: SHOULD I BUY A DISCONTINUED NIB SAITO 120??? - 5/6/2008 11:42:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: JohnBuckner

Not only is it illadvised to purchase a dicontinued Saito it is also illadvised to purchase a discontinued YS. Be advised the YS 110 of choice is the YS110S not the YS110FZ of which a few may still be in the pipeline.

A Saito VS YS debate is a no brainer for anyone who had ever actually used both engines and can afford the more expensive engine. And no there is no way an unpumped Saito will ever match the fuel delivery capabililtys of any YS (even the two strokes).

John


If we are talking about a high performance plane I would agree. But both of these engines easily overpower this airframe. To me it just doesnt make sense to spend over 2X as much on an engine.

I wouldnt normally buy a discontinued engine either but $150 for a saito 1.20 is a good deal.


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RE: SHOULD I BUY A DISCONTINUED NIB SAITO 120??? - 5/7/2008 1:04:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'd grab the Saito before the seller comes to his senses! It will be a great engine for a long time to come, and I bet you could use it for a while and still get your money back for it.

If you still want to put a YS on the new plane, that is fine too. I don't think there is anything wrong with having too many engines, or having too much power! Well, except for when I rip the wings and such off......

BTW, my wife might disagreee about the too many engines part, but what does SHE know?

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RE: SHOULD I BUY A DISCONTINUED NIB SAITO 120??? - 5/7/2008 2:14:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'd get that Saito 120 too.

The 120 is very similar power to the 125 but with significantly less vibration. I'd use it a model that was designed to handle the weight of a classic 1.20 to balance properly. If i had a model which needs nose weight i'd much rather have a heavier 120 up front than to add some lead with the 125 and have the model shaken by vibration.

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RE: SHOULD I BUY A DISCONTINUED NIB SAITO 120??? - 5/7/2008 3:03:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		If you don't want the Saito I'll take it. I have Saito 120 and it's a great reliable motor

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