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NON CD AMA/IMAA Event!! - 5/7/2008 5:51:16 AM   
rcflyertim



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Status: offline 		Just curious......What would be the HQ repsonse to an AMA / IMAA event that didn't have the CD present at the event?
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RE: NON CD AMA/IMAA Event!! - 5/7/2008 11:32:00 AM   
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RE: NON CD AMA/IMAA Event!! - 5/7/2008 2:29:57 PM   
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If The club doesn't ask AMA or IMA to issue a sanction for the event, all it turns out to be is a nice day at the field that the Club just happened to invite some of their closest friends.

Normal insurance coverage rules will apply.

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RE: NON CD AMA/IMAA Event!! - 5/7/2008 2:42:01 PM   
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Status: online 		It sounds like he's going to hold a sanctioned event, however the CD would just not be present, as per the OP's question. His question is simple, the CD is the person that sanctioned the event, that person must be there, as far as the AMA side of the event.

If you are the CD and you are still going to run the event, you better call the AMA to let them know or you could wind up losing you CD status and causing a big problem if there is an accident for all parties involved.

http://www.modelaircraft.org/events/rulebooks/0708General.pdf

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RE: NON CD AMA/IMAA Event!! - 5/7/2008 3:31:45 PM   
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Status: online 		I beleve there is protocol for naming an assitant CD on the sanction for such situations but I also think this person must also hold a CD certificate.

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RE: NON CD AMA/IMAA Event!! - 5/7/2008 4:28:26 PM   
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Just curious......What would be the HQ repsonse to an AMA / IMAA event that didn't have the CD present at the event?

Well... is there actually competition at AMA/IMAA events anyway???

Quite a few of the events that I have attended, that were none rulebook events, the CD went home early...usually right after drawings for prizes and/or lunch served. I guess the event duration is arbitrary if duration is not formally advertised or rulebook and could end within minutes of starting…open flying of big birds...doesn’t get any better than that…ell yea!!


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RE: NON CD AMA/IMAA Event!! - 5/8/2008 3:02:55 AM   
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Thanks for the comments and keep them coming. Very informative and educational.

Here is the issue. A club wants to have a AMA/IMAA event but doesn't have a CD that can attend the event. What happens if a CD's name is used on the forms to apply for the premit with AMA/IMAA but can not attend the event at all. (Will be out of town or working) What are the ramifications of such action for the club and the CD himself. What options does the local club have? Who enforces thoes penalities if there are any?

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RE: NON CD AMA/IMAA Event!! - 5/8/2008 10:29:07 AM   
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Guys,

Thanks for the comments and keep them coming. Very informative and educational.

Here is the issue. A club wants to have a AMA/IMAA event but doesn't have a CD that can attend the event. What happens if a CD's name is used on the forms to apply for the premit with AMA/IMAA but can not attend the event at all. (Will be out of town or working) What are the ramifications of such action for the club and the CD himself. What options does the local club have? Who enforces thoes penalities if there are any?

Every answer is posted on that link I just posted above. A CD already knows the answer to these questions. The first and last thing this CD must do is contact the AMA before the day of the event, plain and simple. There are no other alternatives.

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RE: NON CD AMA/IMAA Event!! - 5/8/2008 11:53:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		The CD can lose their CD status with AMA, the club can be repremanded by AMA or maybe not re-chartered next year.

If the event is to be held soon, look to another club to find a CD.

Or maybe one of the other club members can get certified as a CD. It's really easy.

Bottom line: You need a CD there at the event, competition or not, dur5ing the whole time.

They act as the AMA representative and that's the rules.

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RE: NON CD AMA/IMAA Event!! - 5/8/2008 2:33:21 PM   
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Well... is there actually competition at AMA/IMAA events anyway???

Quite a few of the events that I have attended, that were none rulebook events, the CD went home early...usually right after drawings for prizes and/or lunch served.





Competition is not a prerequisite for running an AMA sanction. Many non flying events are commonly sanctioned.

On your second point do consider that its very likely in many of the events you are talking about that there was an officially listed assistant CD on the sanction in place an you were not aware of that fact. Full time presence of the CD is not required with a sanction listed assistant CD (who also holds a CD certificate) present.


If in fact a CD for any sanctioned event is not present and there is no assistant CD then yes of course that CD is not holding up to what he agreed to do.

John

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RE: NON CD AMA/IMAA Event!! - 5/8/2008 5:28:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: littlecrankshaf
Well... is there actually competition at AMA/IMAA events anyway???

Quite a few of the events that I have attended, that were none rulebook events, the CD went home early...usually right after drawings for prizes and/or lunch served.





Competition is not a prerequisite for running an AMA sanction. Many non flying events are commonly sanctioned.

On your second point do consider that its very likely in many of the events you are talking about that there was an officially listed assistant CD on the sanction in place an you were not aware of that fact. Full time presence of the CD is not required with a sanction listed assistant CD (who also holds a CD certificate) present.


If in fact a CD for any sanctioned event is not present and there is no assistant CD then yes of course that CD is not holding up to what he agreed to do.

John

John

I am not sure you get my point. Let me try again. If the event isn't a rulebook or otherwise a competition event, that has to run to a predetermined conclusion, the CD could simply declare "open flying" and simply leave at just about anytime. Absolutely nothing wrong with that. The declaration of "open flying" could be made minutes or hours after the pilots meeting. Since IMAA events aren't competition type events the CD could exercise the "open flying" option at his discretion

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RE: NON CD AMA/IMAA Event!! - 5/8/2008 5:32:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		LittleCrank: If the CD isn't planning on being there anyway, why go to the effort and expense of getting an AMA sanction in the first place?

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RE: NON CD AMA/IMAA Event!! - 5/8/2008 6:07:13 PM   
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LittleCrank: If the CD isn't planning on being there anyway, why go to the effort and expense of getting an AMA sanction in the first place?

Good question...for the original poster…try asking him…but I wasn't talking about a CD not being there...I was talking about a CD being there… at least for some period of time. If the CD isn't there...there isn't a sanction...so...no CD...no sanction...

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RE: NON CD AMA/IMAA Event!! - 5/8/2008 6:13:10 PM   
pettit



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Status: offline 		Actually, the AMA sanction has to be processed well in advance of the date of the event.

This includes the name of the CD that is charge of the event.

If on the event day the CD shows up and then leaves, there is still an AMA sanction in place, CD or not.

Just because the CD is not present, it is still an AMA sanctioned event.

It is the CD's responsibility to officiate the event, competition or not, for the entire time stated on the sanction.

Maybe some CD's don't like taking responsibility for things that sign up for....

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RE: NON CD AMA/IMAA Event!! - 5/8/2008 6:52:24 PM   
littlecrankshaf



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It is the CD's responsibility to officiate the event, competition or not, for the entire time stated on the sanction.




Actually the "Event Sanction Application" only requires a date to be specified not the amount of time or hours. Unless specified elsewhere an event could only be a minute long...I hope you are not trying to say the CD should be there at the opening and locking of the gate on the day of "The Event"... because that would be an erroneous interpretation.

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RE: NON CD AMA/IMAA Event!! - 5/8/2008 6:57:12 PM   
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