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RE: Interesting tidbit from the President's Blog - 5/23/2008 10:15:09 PM   
abel_pranger


 

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ORIGINAL: Sport_Pilot

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AMA's rule allows you more freedom than FAA's rule and everybody knows AMA is a higher authority than FAA, so screw FAA and their rules, right?


Abel, an AC is not a rule this AC say's this is an advisory and compliance is voluntary. So yes I can legally do just as you say.


Sport, inasmuch as FAA gives you other options, compliance with the AC is voluntary as you say. The other options are to obtain a COA or Waiver from FAA for operation of your small UAS in the National Airspace.

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BTW the FAA says they have no problems with the AMA rule, so apparently they agree with me.


I was unaware of that. Who did they tell that to, when, and is it in record form that any affected modeler can retrieve, review and cite as a public statement of official FAA policy?

Abel

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RE: Interesting tidbit from the President's Blog - 5/24/2008 5:20:58 AM   
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Even flying in a TCA doesn't require an IFR flight plan. I think he must have been thinking of the flight level airspace at FL 18 and above.

You are correct. It does not require an IFR flight plan but it does require the pilot to be in contact with ATC services and it still requires VFR procedures to be followed. (terminal control area tca-Positive controlled airspace-fly VFR all you want as long as your transponder works and you are in contact with ATC services...like I said-end of subject!) Go ahead and fly into a TCA without contacting Tower or RAPCON and watch the HATRs happen... No qualms.
Mean Monte

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RE: Interesting tidbit from the President's Blog - 5/24/2008 6:04:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		But then again. Our flying field in Okinawa was within a TCA. (FAA rules still apply.) So, go figure...I can't remember the floor of the TCA, nor do I care, but that would be a great consideration here in the States. A model airplane is not (in most cases) going to interfere with the normal operations of full scale aircraft in the airport traffic area or tca as long as the model stays away from final approach and climb out of the runway...We have flown from the ramps before with no problems...Most VFR traffic patterns are based on 700' agl so. Okay, I'll give you pesky glider guys some slack here, but the normal model will not get that high...Go ahead and tell me it will and I will tell you to controll the damn thing when it gets that high!!! Personally, I can't see what my 1/4 scale is doing that high. Left wing up or down??? Is it inverted? Who knows???? Press on...I think I remember this is supposed to be about the definition of a model airplane...So, here I go...A model airplane is that craft that is soley used for the amusement/entertainment/stress relief/enjoyment of the said modeler. (Should that be 2 l's?) Oh yeah, spectators too...

If any of you FAA types think I am wrong just let me know. I have been out of the business for about 16years...Hmmm...doesn't seem that long...the first 20 was for ever!!!!

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RE: Interesting tidbit from the President's Blog - 5/24/2008 3:00:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Monte,
But you gotta remember that places like Greater Los Angeles - Orange (1/3 of Socal)
have almost every sq foot of land in or under class D/C/B Ceilings. Look at Cable, they had to take a divot out of the Ontaorio airspace to allow those GA planes to get to a real airport.

Just what airspace are you guys talking about with Controlled & ... OuttaControl classification?
TCA's?
Why not for the sake of simplicity first discuss how RC Model Flight would fit into plain Class G & Class E, before trying to talk about incursions into TCA's & the FL's upstairs.

Take a G airspace under a 700' Class E.
You got 700' of G where you are as just as regulated as the p103 Ultralights (no steenkin badges),
but the feds have been asking you to only use 400'.

Now they are saying if you do not do as we ask to be considered a model,
then you are no longer considered a model.

If you fly like a model, you are a model.
If you dont fly inside AC91-57 then you are not a model.
If you are not a model because you dont fly within AC91-57,
then Lucy- You got some splanin' to do.

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RE: Interesting tidbit from the President's Blog - 5/24/2008 7:32:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Okay Kid,
I'll get off my references to full scale aircraft. As for model planes (see how that is worded?) if one flies his model plane within the "resonable man theroy," there should be no problems.
Monte

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RE: Interesting tidbit from the President's Blog - 5/24/2008 8:12:17 PM   
KingCrash



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Status: offline 		Man, there have been more twists and turns in this thread than in your typical country road.
I'm just making a logical guess that if "We" are having so much trouble with things as defined, the "clarification of model aircraft definition" is being addressed to clear us all up and we may very well be tied to the AC.

Thanks for the opinions, folks

Greg S

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