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RE: RC18T Steel Diff and Input gears Yes/No - 5/11/2008 1:11:23 AM   
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Hey Gex is it ok if I PM you in about 2-3 weeks to see how those gears are treating you. You seem like you know what your talking about and would like your opinion on them. I have them ordered already also, but will be using the stock gears till they go.

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RE: RC18T Steel Diff and Input gears Yes/No - 5/11/2008 5:51:38 AM   
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ok, lets calm down here, i run the metal gears and have on problems, like everything else it is all personal opinion on them, for me i like them, they are worry free... as for others who like to keep some things stock you can do so, it is all down to your personal choice

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RE: RC18T Steel Diff and Input gears Yes/No - 5/12/2008 6:44:04 AM   
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Final word, or as calvino said - "like everything else it is all personal opinion on them....it is all down to your personal choice."
thanks, ya, when it comes down to the final decision it is up to you, for me personally i haven't noticed a speed drop or anything like that from the metal gears, so that is just me, but ya, if you drive like a manaic speed freak vs. a conservative person, you get the clue....... nuff said

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RE: RC18T Steel Diff and Input gears Yes/No - 5/12/2008 7:33:57 PM   
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I hope I didn’t offend anyone. I seem to do that from time to time. I could be completely wrong about the gears, but I ordered them to find out. The stock gears aren’t working for me. My rc18 has been sitting on the shelf. It’s hard to believe that these gears haven’t been a problem for rocketrobinnm since I have had the exact opposite experience with them. I have been in rocketrobinnm’s place with other parts though. For example: I have had very good luck with the mini-t diff gears, even with brushless, while many others have stripped them with the stock motor. The argument was a lot like this, but I was in a different spot.


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ORIGINAL: shanty140

Hey Gex is it ok if I PM you in about 2-3 weeks to see how those gears are treating you.


I’m going to be very busy over the next week or so. I'll try and get my rc18 running, but I don’t know how much driving I’ll do. Feel free to PM me. I’ll try to post some results in this thread after I use them for a while.

I know calvino has had them since they came out, so it’s good news if he says his don’t have much wear.

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RE: RC18T Steel Diff and Input gears Yes/No - 5/12/2008 8:34:09 PM   
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I've been bashing the heck out of my RC18 and there is no sign of trouble from the diffs or the input gears. But I'm still running the stock motor so I wouldn't think there should be a problem. If you've gone brushless then it's natural for the drivetrain to start breaking starting at it's weakest point - so you may have to replace the input gear but you won't really know until you've replaced the other things that break first.



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RE: RC18T Steel Diff and Input gears Yes/No - 5/13/2008 5:52:27 AM   
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i have had my metal diff gears for a long time (goin like 5 months i am guessing on the short side) and am runnin the 19T motor in it (ran stock for a long time) and have had 0 wear issues... they are really nice IMO

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RE: RC18T Steel Diff and Input gears Yes/No - 5/13/2008 7:00:00 PM   
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Hi guys. I am new to the rc18t. I ordered the kit version yesterday and I am looking at and buying upgrades now. Has anyone actually bought the RC18 series Silver Aluminum Main Chassis and used it? I ordered that part because it is aluminum. I have the E Savage and its chassis is aluminum and that thing is bullet proof. I figured this one would be good too. With that chassis, do you have to buy the 18 series front silver aluminum chassis brace? I only plan one doing some basic driving with maybe a race or two (street, dirt, 2ft jumps, etc). I might go brushless, but not for the speed, but for better run times if need be. What is a good brushed and brushless motor for it? Thanks.

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RE: RC18T Steel Diff and Input gears Yes/No - 5/14/2008 4:13:27 AM   
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Since you guys are on the subject of diffs I have a noob question.

If I spin a rear wheel the other spins in rev. If I hold one and spin the other the fronts spin and you can hear the spur turning. Normal?

If I spin a front wheel all other 3 wheels turn and you can hear the spur. Abnormal?

which way should it be? My rear diff spins very smooth when I had it out. The front one feels kinda ....kinda ...kinda "crunchy?" I loosened it until it was fairly smooth but then it felt like it was slipping all the time. I opened it up and to my naked nooby eyes it seemed fine. All balls in their places. I added some diff lube, With same results. I started all this because It started to sound like my diffs were slipping alot when I would punch it.

Also when you hold the diff gear and spin one of the sides how easily should it turn compared to just turning sides w/o holding onto the gear (if that makes any sense)

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RE: RC18T Steel Diff and Input gears Yes/No - 5/15/2008 12:49:46 AM   
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If I spin a rear wheel the other spins in rev. If I hold one and spin the other the fronts spin and you can hear the spur turning. Normal?

This is normal. Since the diff is allowing your other rear wheel to spin versus spinning all 3 wheels, it means your rear diff is loose.

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If I spin a front wheel all other 3 wheels turn and you can hear the spur. Abnormal?


This is also normal. Your front diff is tighter because it is transferring movement to your rear wheels instead of transferring it to the other front wheel.

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My rear diff spins very smooth when I had it out. The front one feels kinda ....kinda ...kinda "crunchy?" I loosened it until it was fairly smooth but then it felt like it was slipping all the time. I opened it up and to my naked nooby eyes it seemed fine. All balls in their places. I added some diff lube, With same results. I started all this because It started to sound like my diffs were slipping alot when I would punch it.


The tighter your diff is, the more pressure there will be on the balls. If they are not immaculately clean, it will feel like they are a little “crunchy”. Having the diffs a LITTLE “crunchy” is fine. You shouldn’t notice this while the car is driving.

I recommend leaving the front diff tight, since you want it tighter on a 4wd car. It sounds like the slipping you are hearing is coming from the rear diff. You should tighten the rear diff slightly until it doesn’t slip any more. You want the rear diff to be looser than the front diff.

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Also when you hold the diff gear and spin one of the sides how easily should it turn compared to just turning sides w/o holding onto the gear (if that makes any sense)


I can’t really show you how tight to make the diffs over the internet. This is something you get a feel for over time. Like I said, you want the front diff tighter than the rear. Make sure the front isn’t tight enough to where it is locked, and make sure the rear isn’t loose enough to where it slips. Also, you don't need to take the diff out of the car to feel how tight it is. The proper way to check is to spin either front or rear wheels opposite each other, equally. This is basically the same thing as holding the diff in your hands. The improper way, is to hold one wheel and spin the other. Since this will also spin the other wheels and the spur gear. Since the motor has resistance, there is no way you can tell how tight it is or not. Just don't do it this way.


The problem with this car is that it doesn’t have a way to get rid of excess energy. Instead of dissipating it through a slipper, it takes it out on the weakest part in the drive train, the diff gears. Hopefully the steel diff gears will fix this problem. I can live with replacing the plastic outdrives every once in a while, versus replacing diff gears every week or two. You can keep the rear diff loose, like calvino suggested, but then you would end up with flat spots on the balls, and melted diff outdrives. I think the slipper will help this car a lot, but I still think the gears are weaker than what they should be.

PS- My metal gears have arrived in the mail. Now I’m waiting on tires, and I need to paint a body. Then it’s go time in my backyard.

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RE: RC18T Steel Diff and Input gears Yes/No - 5/15/2008 12:54:45 AM   
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No, don't need them.

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RE: RC18T Steel Diff and Input gears Yes/No - 5/15/2008 2:17:31 AM   
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do any of you guys run in the dirt ?? or on carpet street ect. ? what would you guys sudjest for dirt loose dirt in a 18mt as far as diffs and input gears ? the stock 1s get gritty and seem to really hate dirt .

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RE: RC18T Steel Diff and Input gears Yes/No - 5/15/2008 2:56:32 AM   
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do any of you guys run in the dirt ?? or on carpet street ect. ? what would you guys sudjest for dirt loose dirt in a 18mt as far as diffs and input gears ? the stock 1s get gritty and seem to really hate dirt .


get yourself a DP gear cover
http://www.thetoyz.com/cart/thetoyz_details.lasso?id=6383&cat_name=

If you still get some dirt, try putting a thin bead of hot glue around the edges

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RE: RC18T Steel Diff and Input gears Yes/No - 5/15/2008 3:51:35 AM   
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thank you gex that was incredibly informative. Exactly what I wanted to know. Will the exotek slipper work with the dp spur cover? If not will the exotek spur cover work on a regular rc18t ft and will it work with the slipper?

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RE: RC18T Steel Diff and Input gears Yes/No - 5/15/2008 4:01:07 AM   
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thank you gex that was incredibly informative. Exactly what I wanted to know. Will the exotek slipper work with the dp spur cover? If not will the exotek spur cover work on a regular rc18t ft and will it work wit