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os 160 two stroke problem? - 5/9/2008 12:40:25 PM   
sgarrgo


 

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Status: offline 		i have two os 160 two strokes . i have one for over six years runs like a swiss watch. bone stock 20% fuel , med,fuel lines, idle bar fox long plug. you couldn't find a better engine.
just got another one. I have been at it 20 plus years and i thought good with motors. but this one stumped the band. i have changed everything i know and have asked all the locals.so here we go.
you can set the motor on the deck runs great. I flight it goes lean. so put large fuel lines, tank height , tank, vibrations, in tank or lines. checked motor for leaks case, back cover, carb, even shortened head bolts to make sure they were not bottoming out. fuel, plugs all kinds. used 18x6 prop. on last one so did the same on this.
checked baffel in muffler for same location as my last engine.
i put large fuel lines from tank to carb. also vent line to tank. now it will fly at full thro, no problem, i have problems with motor stalling on aproach. do touch and goes
just as you line up on runway props stopped . re-ajust idle ,and low end no change, still stalls.
i had another freind in my area have same problem with his new os 160. we couldn't resolve his either.
my old one ran so good it was a no brainer to get another one. now i don't think so.
any help would be nice.
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RE: os 160 two stroke problem? - 5/9/2008 1:30:46 PM   
allans


 

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Status: offline 		How big is the Tank? I suspect 500 to 600 cc's ?

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RE: os 160 two stroke problem? - 5/9/2008 2:05:11 PM   
David Bathe



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Status: offline 		Have you tried a larger prop? 18x6???... we use 18x10's, 17x12-13's on the 1.40RX in pattern The 1.60 is also very popular and swings props in the same area.
18x6 appears far to small from where I'm standing, will rev to high.

Other stock must does with that engine is say 10% and one extra head shim and an F plug.
Try some nitro, the F and a larger prop. Revs.. say low-mid 8's.

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RE: os 160 two stroke problem? - 5/9/2008 2:19:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		....Welcome to R/C Universe, sgarrgo....

I experienced the same problem with an OS .61 long stroke engine. It started
and ran perfectly....ran real good....but on landing the engine would quit coming
in, after I chopped the throttle....after about 15 to 20 seconds of chopped
throttle. I adjusted the carb every which way....the problem persisted.

Finally one day I decided to change the plug, even thought the engine started
and ran good. I had purchased the engine from e-Bay. The engine had an idlebar
plug in it. I tossed it as far as I could.

End of problem. Get rid of the idlebar plug. Try a Fox Miracle plug.

FBD.



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RE: os 160 two stroke problem? - 5/10/2008 2:12:19 AM   
sgarrgo


 

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Status: offline 		thanks for all your ideas . fuel tank is 20oz, fox idle bar several new. i have tried os 8 os 4 ect. fuel is 2020 byron. used for years. the old engine ran on 5% to 20&
i tried 30% but, it wanted to heat up. thanks for your help. we fly at about 3600 ft altitude and higher most season.
my first engine is aprox 7 to 8 years old. in last few years has os changed. compression or carbs? i hate to take my old one apart to check, if it isn't broke don't fix it.
Is there a good link or e-mail to os tech support? i have lots of them and had great luck.
i have not sent it in because bench run doesn't seem to show any bad habits! but it almost cost me a Q yak.
larger props good question. 18x6 turns 9100 rpms. i have run 18x8 it acted like it was loading up a lot on vertical.
thanks dave , david and allan for ideas to help.

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RE: os 160 two stroke problem? - 5/10/2008 3:26:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		How is the tank location........high ...low or center line of carb? Had a high tank location flood the carb on landing approch once.

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RE: os 160 two stroke problem? - 5/10/2008 9:09:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		you still have both of the screws in place that hold the carburator on to the crankcase ? Sometimes those will come off and give you crazy behavior.

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RE: os 160 two stroke problem? - 5/10/2008 1:04:48 PM   
sgarrgo


 

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Status: offline 		up date on 160
carb srews in with blue locktight,
tank center is middle of needle.
going out sunday run so more. i just won't get where i can't dead stick in. maybe more break in time. change fuel , plug , motor mount. larger prop 18x8 maybe
to many rpms. all engines are not created equal.
thanks

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RE: os 160 two stroke problem? - 5/10/2008 3:49:27 PM   
Flyboy Dave



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Status: offline 		....I think the prop recommendations by OS for the 1.60 are absolutely
ridiculous.....way, way too much prop. If it's not turning 10K, it's over
propped in my opinion. This may not apply to your case....but sometimes
if an engine is overheated, it will die when you chop the throttle.

If you are going by the hobby shop, pick up a Fox Miracle plug, they can
help with a troublesome engine.

FBD.

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RE: os 160 two stroke problem? - 5/10/2008 10:25:25 PM   
David Bathe



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ORIGINAL: Flyboy Dave

....I think the prop recommendations by OS for the 1.60 are absolutely
ridiculous.....way, way too much prop. If it's not turning 10K, it's over
propped in my opinion.

FBD.


Nothing wrong with a bit of old school thinking but haven't the engine manufacturers, serious competitors (and even the Sunday hobby flier) have had to adapt to a different, quiet way of thinking?
The hobby is demanding high power from a very quiet packed, that's led to the engine producers to start designing motors that deliver the beef at low, thus quieter RPMs
Max torque is the area to aim for. And that's normally miles away from the point of max rpm.

For me 18x6 is way to little prop for that engine. Having said that I have no experience at operating at 3600ft (or higher) above sea level. For me that's similar to flying on Mars!
I know it must have some considerable effect of model engine operation. Exactly what, I haven't the slightest idea.
I'd first try some decent 10/15% fuel. Synth oil 18% would be plenty and a OS F type 4 stroke plug. If that isn't available an Enya No.3.
At least after that, you can eliminate the plug and the fuel from the potential problem equation.




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