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DonStegall -> Texas Club 40 Clone Raider (5/11/2008 1:09:47 AM)

We have not approved the Texas Club 40 Clone Raider for RCPRO Club 40 Racing yet.

But we did just recently have supply problems with Sky Raider Mach II and LA Racer 40 ARF kits.

I have had inquiries about kits for the Sky Raider Mach II from various groups and I want to make sure people know that this option is out there. Some guys just want to build from a kit instead of using "China-Coat" covered ARF's.

The new Sky Raider Mach II ARC that comes pre-built, but not pre-covered, addresses the issue to a degree. I have not seen one yet, but I will have one on Friday. I will report on the ARC then. I'm also going to order one of the kits so I can see how close it is to the ARF and whether or not it has potential advantages. One (maybe all) of the Texas groups has apparently approved it, so I'm pretty sure the ducks are in a row on this one.

Sanaloma Laser has made some neat trinkets for Club 40 contests. I've got to come up with plaques for the Summer Pylon Series at Lowe's Motor Speedway and I'm going to get quotes on them. Maybe we can come up with some standard designs for Club 40.



stanlattrell -> RE: Texas Club 40 Clone Raider (5/11/2008 4:04:53 PM)

Don, I'm sure Sanaloma Laser could cut some of your new Q500 fuselage design kits for prototyping and testing, if you had an interest. Might be a way to speed testing and "adjustments" to the design, since Chuck and the pilots who have volunteered to test fly your new design are all right here in the central Texas area....by the way, I would also be very interested in trying one of your new Q500's. I am a new racer (started last year) with lots of years of building and flying behind me, and am interested in moving up to Q500 at some point. I could give you the "new racer" viewpoint on the new design.........



gunfighter -> RE: Texas Club 40 Clone Raider (5/11/2008 10:07:17 PM)

The "Clone Raider" by Sanaloma laser has been approved for club 40 racing in Texas.

If some one will send a proposal to the RCPRO club 40 committee, we can discuss it and see if we can get it approved for every one.

That is, of course, if they (Sanaloma laser) want it to go national...



stanlattrell -> RE: Texas Club 40 Clone Raider (5/12/2008 12:44:51 AM)

What does it take to submit a proposal?? I would think that since we in Texas reviewed and approved the Clone kit, and since Gunfighter is closely tied to the RCPRO activities, that the discussion for approval would be a natural to keep all Club 40 activities across the US consistent and aligned........



DonStegall -> RE: Texas Club 40 Clone Raider (5/12/2008 1:13:20 AM)

Stan,

The RCPRO Club 40 Committee is tasked with making sure that RCPRO Club 40 does not deviate from the initial intent.

If the kit would give an advantage to builders, that is something that would deviate from the intent. If additional controls need to be added to the RCPRO Club 40 Rules, the committee will have to address that.



gunfighter -> RE: Texas Club 40 Clone Raider (5/12/2008 1:35:17 AM)

Stan - the first move is to make sure that Chuck E. wants to go national with his kits.

Then, write up a short proposal and send it to me via e-mail. I will put it in front of the committee.

Don does have a point. If we allow kits on the national scene, we will have to include specific dimentions, weights etc. That is what killed the 4*40 racing around Houston years ago. People were building them extreemely light and selling only to close friends. Got to where you could not win without one of the "special" planes. Then there is the problem of substituting composites for balsa.

There is a lot to consider. Experience in Texas over the next few months will shed a lot of light on this issue.



skull1971 -> RE: Texas Club 40 Clone Raider (5/12/2008 2:02:06 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: gunfighter

People were building them extreemely light and selling only to close friends. Got to where you could not win without one of the "special" planes. Then there is the problem of substituting composites for balsa.



Then maybe just add a weight rule, and the size should be easy to watch with a "Go/No Go" gauge.


P.S. The way I'm planting LA Racers, I'd welcome a clone!



cwesh -> RE: Texas Club 40 Clone Raider (5/12/2008 3:20:15 PM)

Hi Everyone,

Been quiet on this, waiting for others to chime in...... [;)]

My thoughts....

National sales: Not right now. Why? As Chuck W (gunfighter) mentioned, we need to see how it plays out here in Texas, we need to make sure that Club 40 stays a pilots race, not who has the most money, etc. If all goes well, and the RCPRO committee approves, I will sell nationally.

If "cheating" starts to be a problem, I will stop selling the Clone immediately, preserving Club 40 as a pilots race is top priority.

As to checking dimensions, weights, etc., yes, I believe that is something that may need to be done. Also, I wonder if it is something that should be done to the ARF's and ARC's as well. With the new ARC's and since we do allow allowing re-covering, what is stopping someone from taking and ARF / ARC and modifying the airframe or doing what I did and clone one, but not tell anyone? While I have not seem anyone do this, the potential is there.

Since there is no monetary prizes, one would hope that Club 40 would remain a pilots race via the honor system!

LA Racer clone, no, too much plastic. (cowling, non-standard canopy) [;)]

P.S. yes, I am Sanaloma Laser

Later!




skull1971 -> RE: Texas Club 40 Clone Raider (5/12/2008 4:04:34 PM)

Well Chuck, please tell us more about the clone, I didn't even know they were around till Kingsbury.



cwesh -> RE: Texas Club 40 Clone Raider (5/12/2008 4:27:33 PM)

Hi Eric,

The clone is a clone (duh!), designed to allow the swapping of parts between it and the ARF. Wings / tails / fuselage from the ARF fit the clone and clone parts fit the ARF. Of course one can build an entire plane too! There is a link to it in the first post.

The differences between it and the ARF is the ARF uses 2mm birch plywood where I used 1/8" lite plywood on the fuselage. Weight wise, it is a draw, but the clone appears to be a bit stronger.

Another one is in the wing. I use full length shear webs, where as the ARF uses a shear web in every other wing bay. Also, I use a notch / tab system for alignment of the ribs to the leading and trailing edges plus another 1/4" leading edge piece which is shaped by hand. It makes for a very simple to build wing.

The tail is the same, except the clone does not have a tapered rudder, and the elevator is 2" instead of 1 3/4", (Balsa USA doe not sell 1/4" x 1 3/4" elevator stock)

Final weight is the same. I had a LA powered ARF that weighed 4 lbs 10 oz RTF and the clone came in at the same weight. Both used the same engine and 2 oz of lead to balance.

Flying wise, identical, both perform the same and both have that annoying adverse yaw problem. [:)]

Picture time! (Look familiar?)

Later!

P.S. The clone in the picture has an ARF tail on it.




gunfighter -> RE: Texas Club 40 Clone Raider (5/12/2008 4:30:39 PM)

Here is a link to the web site with info on the clone raider...

http://www.sanalomalaser.com/clone_raider.php



happypappy -> RE: Texas Club 40 Clone Raider (6/8/2008 4:33:41 AM)

Are you going to bring the cowl cheeks in to the new dimension on your clone?



cwesh -> RE: Texas Club 40 Clone Raider (6/9/2008 12:59:45 AM)

Since I was wiped out in a mid-air at our race on Saturday, I need a new fuselage and wing so yes, I am working on a narrow nose version right now. Should have a final version done by the end of the week.

Later!



happypappy -> RE: Texas Club 40 Clone Raider (6/14/2008 1:14:58 AM)

Well, since I haven't built a plane other than an ARF since I was a kid...........would love to build one when you get the narrow nose version so sign me up!



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