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jworm49 -> New to helis (5/11/2008 7:34:05 AM)

Hi everyone I want to get into helis and at some point go to nitro but folks are saying I should start with an electric so I was wondering which one people recomend.



DumbDawg -> RE: New to helis (5/11/2008 5:01:11 PM)


Which car should you buy and what color is best??? Boils down to matter of opinion and what tweeks you. You want a starter that very easy to fly and can teach you orientation and very cheap as well... get a co-axle heli. Like a LAMA.

A mini heli can go either fixed pitch FP or collective pitch CP heli. CP's are very hard to learn to fly but a LOT of fun and challenging.

I bought a Honey Bee King 2 for my first heli and love it. Its a challenge but I luv the challenge and am having a lot of fun. You WILL spend some coin on just about any heli you buy, expect that as an absolute. WHEN you buy your heli buy spares at the same time as this will save you in down time and frustration. Because you want to fly and are having to wait for parts to arrive.

All in all... do your research.... buy what you can afford and what suits your character. Safe??? By a LAMA or simular Like danger and challenge??? buy a CP heli. You can buy Co-Co's for under $100 and CPs from $120 - $400+

Buy the way... this hobby is addicting....

Welcome to heli's :) and the forum

Happy fly'n



ArrowNaughtic -> RE: New to helis (5/11/2008 5:16:40 PM)

jworm, Barracuda Hockey answered this question best in the TREX forum where you also posted the exact same question. Try to stick with one topic in one place and you will recieve much better responses rather than the hodgepodge of answers you will get in the 3 forums you posted this question in.
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_7481673/tm.htm go to that thread and read those responses, that is probably some of the best advice I have ever seen to this question. Honest unbiased opinions by both BH and Burntt32 that really give some of the soundest advice one can recieve.


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hollywood54 -> RE: New to helis (5/11/2008 6:14:19 PM)

I started with a honey bee king 2 an i love this thing.Check out castlerock hobbies.Get in touch with Rusty and he will build you a great bird with the upgrade to brushless.After that take your time baby steps,and you will be fine.I have been flying mine for about 3 months and can hover all ways and do ff.Next is trying some 3d flips and stuff....Good luck......[:D]



DumbDawg -> RE: New to helis (5/11/2008 7:30:44 PM)


I went to read those responses you mentioned and ... huh??? Thats the best info on beginning heli's????

ok then.... IF you have the coinage to buy a T-Rex then by all means buy one because the quality is very good. Electric or nitro.

But if you don't have between $500 and a cool $1000+ then you might want to stick to the electric mini's.

The only other good advice was the Tx. But there again if you can't afford a DX7 or Futaba then buy something like a DX6i or simular programmable radio.

The mini heli forum is mainly for us guys who don't have several thousand dollars to drop on Tx's and nitro Rex machines with carbon upgrades out the ying yang. E-Sky and Eflites and the other mini's are for entry heli's that you can fly and have a lot of fun doing so. Plus crashes are not going to mean you sell off two generations of children in the future either.

Nothing wrong with asking the same question in two different forum sections IMO either because in asking in the trex section you get the apologists for Align mainly toting off why anything but a rex is junk and seem to think everyone starting out should be buying the Futaba radio's and best carbon fibre upgrades money can buy. Thats fine if you have the job and the coin to support that.

Here.... Just us middle of the road blokes. I think you'll get better and more honest middle of the road opinions here, but this is just my opinion on that as well.

But anyway... happy fly'n



engraved -> RE: New to helis (5/11/2008 9:41:59 PM)

Very good point dumbdawg i am new to helis i started is a cx2 and went to blade cp+ i hate it very rough to fly for me anyhow but posting in different forums is nice for the diverse opinons. I do have a web site i found along the way that has alodda trex 450 setups for around 500-600 bucks. Still alodda money and i dont know much about e-sky helis nor am i bashing them in anyway but the belted cp is like 200 were i found. The only down fall i would have to the esky is online parts ordered but most of time u get them in 3-4 days so i guess not realy a big deal if ur patient lol. I am personally stuck between getting a trex honey be k2 or a belted cp.



jworm49 -> RE: New to helis (5/12/2008 12:11:02 AM)

Well thanks for all the input and I hear what you are sasying about the coin. What ever set up I get I will spend a lot of time on a sim before I fly it for real. I'm just trying to get an idea of were to start. smaller electric or go right for the raptor 50 nitro you know.



planepounder -> RE: New to helis (5/12/2008 12:15:21 AM)

I can tell you by experience the a .30 nitro is easier to learn on than a micro or a mini heli. The electrics are less intimidating. I fly both. I have .30and .50 nitros and a 450 Rex and a 550 Hurricane. I like them all equally well but I find myself flying the Rex because it is just so easy to grab it and go fly. If you are going to fly nitro start there it is just as easy, if you have some one to show you the ins and out of a nitro heli.



homeunt -> RE: New to helis (5/12/2008 1:41:20 AM)

well... I started with electric because I wanted to go on Nitro. I don't regret it a bit. You can learn a lot from flying to mechanical reparing from electric helis.

I would suggest you going with something like Black Hawk or Belt-Cp.



jworm49 -> RE: New to helis (5/12/2008 1:54:10 AM)

Planepounder thanks a lot. I don't have anyone that could help me not a lot of people into r/c in my area and no clubs close buy. Given my situation would you recomend an electric like the rex 450 or should I just hit the sim for a while and go with the nitro. I have some questions about the rex. What did you mean buy easy to just grab and fly, is it considered a mini or micro and what would you say the s=average run time is with a good batt pack? Also if I did go nitro would you recomend 30 or 50 and any particular make model? Thanks again.



kodak_jack -> RE: New to helis (5/12/2008 5:10:09 AM)

I think Nuttcaze would have issues with your advice. He's waited a LONG time for his stuff from him!!



Zimatosa -> RE: New to helis (5/12/2008 6:01:47 AM)

I really can not believe that people are recommending that you go str8 for a Nitro heli. Yah, maybe if you had a bunch of friends into nitro and you had support up the wazzzooo, then I could see it. I got away from Nitro planes and bought the E_Heli for many reasons......
1.You can't just go to the neighborhood park and fly with a Nitro. ( i actually saw a Nitro Heli pilot get a ticket for flying in a park for noise pollution).
2.Nitro really pisses off the neighbors....At least my neighbors!
3. You would have to join AMA and fly at club fields ONLY, and have insurance and a certificate for the field for safety.
4.Bad for the environment....
5.Nitro all over your clothes, car, skin, garage...etc...
6.Ever try to keep a Nitro motor tuned perfectly?? Not for me.......

Anyway, these are a few things i have experience that I do not like. I really love the fact that I can hover in my front yard at midnight and test everything on my heli after I work on it, at any time of day. I would have to drive 35 minutes to fly at the nearest Nitro field.

My 2 cents....Peace,

Z



planepounder -> RE: New to helis (5/12/2008 3:38:39 PM)

Why not both? I fly nitro at the club and electric at home. Nitro helis are not any more complex than electric, you just have to learn the engine. I have no real issues with my engines, rarely do the need adjustment. You need to fly a .90 heli to really apperciate how smooth and stable they are. Granted nitro is "smoky" but that is part of it. I fly my Rex a lot ( it is a great flyer) just because all I need is the heli and tx. Different strokes for different folks. IF one has "nitro help", learn on a nitro and the the electrics are easy.



blk822 -> RE: New to helis (5/12/2008 3:39:00 PM)

I think a nitro would be bad for a newb with no help......You have to know how to tune your heli and the motor. And like mentioned befor the places where you can fly are limited. People just don't like the noise and smoke from the nitros. I statred with a CX2 , easy and fun to fly, but really didn't teach me to really fly a heli. A ccpm heli is way different than a co axial. I then went to the Honey Bee King V2 due to cost and ready to fly. Had to get a Futaba 6EXH radio to tame it down so "I" could fly it. The stock radio really sucked and was like it had positive expo at center stick. I now have the same heli but it is a franken heli, copterX 450 cnc head, B400 main gear,B400 main shaft (modded),Xtreme belt and drive gear,Aluminum battery tray,Trex 450 Landing gear,Hi Tec HS-55 servos,Fiber glass rotors, and a Trex 450 fiber glass canopy, and also the futaba radio and Hi Tec Rx. It flys as stabble as a Trex 450 if not better. And then I got a Gaui Hurricane 550. The Hurri is a sweet heli and pretty cheap, and VERY stable. It is also very cheap to repair after a crash. If you want a large heli and you are going to get a sim , I would say get a 550 or 600 size heli, very stable and some are very resonable in price and repair price. But also can do alot of damage to what ever they crash into. Just do alot of research and there are some great helis or there , and also some real turds.



planepounder -> RE: New to helis (5/12/2008 3:50:05 PM)

jworm, forgot to answer you questions. The T-rex is a 450 size. It is a great heli, properly set up it is very stable. It would be a good one to learn on. As far as nitro goes the .30 is the entry level, common and cheap. however bigger flys better. If I was going to conduct heli training I feel learning on a toned down .90 would flatten the learning curve. You have to make your own choice. If you want to fly really big helis Nitro is about the only way now to economically do so. There are large elec. helis but battery costs are stiff. I am slowly moving to a gasoline heli.



nuttcaze -> RE: New to helis (5/12/2008 4:06:01 PM)

the battery for my ES600 (E-Smart) was only $98 [X(]
Only electric for me [:D]

Nitro vs electric, dead arguement, fly what suits your needs, big or small electric or nitro, everyone has restrictions on what where why and when, learning on a bigger heli is better but that can also lead to you not being able to fly smaller helis as they are considerably more twitchy/unstable (but thats what makes them so much fun, there are just certain things you would never want to do with a large heli) But one thing I can't help but think about is, "you'd have to be slightly crazy to learn on a 550-600 size heli" (I don't know what the nitro equivelents are for those sizes) talk about freaking HUGE [X(] especially if you've never actually seen one that big, you actually couldn't have paid me to try flying my ES600 before actually knowing how to fly. Its just like someone told me... "Flying a 600 is like flying a lawnmower through the sky" Dangerous for beginners (maybe not as much so if you have local heli pilots to help) but if you had no local support, friends or rc clubs, getting into flying a CP's will be a little harder as set up is alot easier when someone can actually show you how to do so. Where as the HBFP just make sure the flybar paddles are level and just go fly [:D]



DumbDawg -> RE: New to helis (5/12/2008 4:25:30 PM)


Or,,, He can get one of the sweet heli's from Toy'R'Us and run round with it in his hand.... BBRRRREEEEOOOOOOOOWWWW!!! chuff chuff chuff chuff huff huff wheezz!! cough!! cough!! plop....

Oh well the repairs would be cheaper.

happy fly'n




nuttcaze -> RE: New to helis (5/12/2008 4:44:00 PM)

lol



planepounder -> RE: New to helis (5/12/2008 4:57:32 PM)

I am not favoring one over the other. I did however learn to fly my Rappy .30 as my ist heli. I have been flying fixed wing R/C for several years and about the only leg up I had was familarization with the tx. BUT I had a ton of sim time, the most cost effective way to learn! At our club we dont buddy box with helis, so I learned solo so to speak.( I had the club helimeister at my side though). I bought a Belt CP to practice with at home. The Rappy was a snap compared to the Belt, which I soon mastered. I agree that a noob with a nitro heli, with no help is a fromula for trouble (also true with fixed wing), but that does not discount that a larger heli is easier to learn on. Until you get used to a nitro they are intimidating, but you soon get over that. Any way enough said, the important thing is we are all having a great time with helis!



DumbDawg -> RE: New to helis (5/12/2008 5:39:46 PM)


Bro you are so right. Fun is the number one factor... second is.... fun

Like I said before... buy what you can afford AND get support for. If you buy a bird and have a crash and then can no longer afford the parts then whats the sense in that. These forums are great for people helping but if you feel intimidated about tearing ur bird apart then having someone there to babysit you might be a good idea. Electrics are simple... nitro is another story. There you have many more parts and some of those parts are complex, ei motors, clutches etc.

ONLY the person going into this will know what suits them and their addiction... I meant habit... eerrr hobby

Unless the guy is roll'n in coin and can afford the toys to play with for a month then toss, then he can buy big nitro vegetation masticating machines. BTW... when ur finished with the bird can I have it??? :) Factor in about $100 or better on parts IN ADDITION to the purchase and shipping costs. You'll need the extra parts, regardless of what you buy. buy the most commonly broken, in the beginning, simply because theres nothing worse than being tweeked to fly and you're grounded because you are waiting for a piece to come in. Waiting saps the enthusiasm and the need to see something crash.

But have fun... make some sweet vids of ur crashes and other flights, come yammer in the forum here. BTW.. You might have to have a porn key so that when someone comes by you can quickly hit the porn key that will pop up the porn site. That way you can't be accused of hanging out in the heli forum here... :)

happy fly'n






Rosebud6 -> RE: New to helis (5/12/2008 6:24:19 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DumbDawg


Or,,, He can get one of the sweet heli's from Toy'R'Us and run round with it in his hand.... BBRRRREEEEOOOOOOOOWWWW!!! chuff chuff chuff chuff huff huff wheezz!! cough!! cough!! plop....

Oh well the repairs would be cheaper.

happy fly'n



LMAO. Funny. My last crash with my HBK2 was a nose first into the ground on Saturday with my HBK2. Ball control arm, flybar, feathering shaft and main shaft. Total cost in parts about $15...Try and replace those parts on Trex and see what the check book says. If i didnt have a spare head waiting for me for just this type of scenario.. I wouldnt have been able to fly out 4 more batteries. :) Gotta love cheap replacement parts.



GunCobra -> RE: New to helis (5/12/2008 6:38:51 PM)

[sm=what_smile.gif][sm=what_smile.gif][sm=what_smile.gif]Fuhyooo that is a lots of opinion and it wont help our frens to decide dude,well let me share my experience flew the helis btw we put aside about financial, what is the most important is our interest and hobbies if u do damn interested to flew a heli's moneys didn't count by hook or by crook u will get it correct me if im wrong. ok continue with my experience this kinda hobbies inspired me when i was 12yrs old unfortunate i can't afford to have it due to im not come from a rich family but the interest still fresh till now and my 1st started flew the heli's it was belt CP and sorry to say i spend the belt CP almost $750 for 1 nite spending and when i 1st flew the CP u know what i forgotten to switch on the transmitter 1st what i did is i switch on the CP 1st and the CP is make a "chicken dance" and hit my arm lucky the blade did not hit my eyes,still never give up still want to flew the CP after repair i tried again and it was failed to take off, the CP crash for 4 times and changing the blades more than 6 times so i getting fed up and i ask the retailers "do u have a big size for the heli's? and he said yes but u r beginners why start with big? so i told to myself if im still stick with belt CP i'll become bankrupt,so i juz ignore his question and i told him do u wanna sell the thing or not?? and he said ok better u take this Hurricane 550EP Ly-po batt is not included than i said ok shoot and the ly-po batteries itself cost me $145",the next day i try to hover the heli's and it really works and i so surprise why i can't hover the CP but i can hover the 30 size Hurricane? there is no answer for my question and from there i learn from many source and asking all the fliers why i can hover the 30 size heli's and not belt CP? and they said 30 size heli's is more stable rather than CP. so after i can hover the Hurricane i get addicted and excited, day n nite i hover the Hurricane but the weakness is my hurricane only can flew for 7minutes damn it was terrible so if i want to fly more i need to buy more Ly-Po batteries for standby this also costly to me...than i bought a Hirobo Shuttle 50 size Nitro with 4,600 mah batt for receivers and with 3.8 litres nitro i can flew for more than 45minutes at a time....

The moral of the story better get a 30 size heli's to start flying
and u know what? with 4 mth self training without having an expert beside me or using a simulators im now can make a FF and figure 8....[sm=what_smile.gif]

I herewith attach the picture of my Belt CP and beside the belt CP is my hurricane 550EP beside that is my Hirobo Shuttle 50 size...u know what i flew my CP four times and four times crash and never flew the CP again wanted to sell ahaks

here are some tips for Jworm49,before u flown the heli's 1st u need to check is the batteries must have enough charge and the transmitter need to charge overnite b4 the next day flight this is to avoid mishandle or crash and don't ever take a short cut coz it dangerous, safety come 1st...second b4 u start flying try to check all ur servos and gyro and ensure it working properly than make sure all the tools are well pack. 3rd start with hovering 1st and familiar with ur transmitter and if u choose to have a electric heli's u must ensure u wont fly till the batteries die coz the possibilities the Ly-Po batt will lost the power and cannot lasting. last but not least SAFETY COME FIRST tq

P/S Panic is a enemy overcome it



homeunt -> RE: New to helis (5/12/2008 8:44:48 PM)

looks like guncobra is ready for the mini-scale war lol.



DumbDawg -> RE: New to helis (5/12/2008 9:01:28 PM)


aha.... lol but I just ordered a full sized RC controlled Jet Ranger 222, it was only 4.75 million and another 750 thou in extra parts. Do you think it will work well with my stock E-Sky HBK2 Tx/Rx??? Can't wait to try inverted with it... That will be soooo kewl :)

He said big was better and hang the budget too, so I'm going big... is this to much you think??



jworm49 -> RE: New to helis (5/13/2008 2:08:41 AM)

Thanks alot for your help and the same to every one els as well it's kinda looking like I should start out with an electric. I enjoy reading all the coments but now I'm really confused. Oh well your all just trying to help. So anyway if you think I should start with an electric which one. I want to get one thats good for a beginer but will also help me learn the basics of a larger more powerful heli. Thanks again.



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