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New to helis - 5/11/2008 7:34:05 AM   
jworm49


 

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Status: offline 		Hi everyone I want to get into helis and at some point go to nitro but folks are saying I should start with an electric so I was wondering which one people recomend.
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RE: New to helis - 5/11/2008 5:01:11 PM   
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Which car should you buy and what color is best??? Boils down to matter of opinion and what tweeks you. You want a starter that very easy to fly and can teach you orientation and very cheap as well... get a co-axle heli. Like a LAMA.

A mini heli can go either fixed pitch FP or collective pitch CP heli. CP's are very hard to learn to fly but a LOT of fun and challenging.

I bought a Honey Bee King 2 for my first heli and love it. Its a challenge but I luv the challenge and am having a lot of fun. You WILL spend some coin on just about any heli you buy, expect that as an absolute. WHEN you buy your heli buy spares at the same time as this will save you in down time and frustration. Because you want to fly and are having to wait for parts to arrive.

All in all... do your research.... buy what you can afford and what suits your character. Safe??? By a LAMA or simular Like danger and challenge??? buy a CP heli. You can buy Co-Co's for under $100 and CPs from $120 - $400+

Buy the way... this hobby is addicting....

Welcome to heli's and the forum

Happy fly'n

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RE: New to helis - 5/11/2008 5:16:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		jworm, Barracuda Hockey answered this question best in the TREX forum where you also posted the exact same question. Try to stick with one topic in one place and you will recieve much better responses rather than the hodgepodge of answers you will get in the 3 forums you posted this question in.
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_7481673/tm.htm go to that thread and read those responses, that is probably some of the best advice I have ever seen to this question. Honest unbiased opinions by both BH and Burntt32 that really give some of the soundest advice one can recieve.


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RE: New to helis - 5/11/2008 6:14:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		I started with a honey bee king 2 an i love this thing.Check out castlerock hobbies.Get in touch with Rusty and he will build you a great bird with the upgrade to brushless.After that take your time baby steps,and you will be fine.I have been flying mine for about 3 months and can hover all ways and do ff.Next is trying some 3d flips and stuff....Good luck......

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RE: New to helis - 5/11/2008 7:30:44 PM   
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I went to read those responses you mentioned and ... huh??? Thats the best info on beginning heli's????

ok then.... IF you have the coinage to buy a T-Rex then by all means buy one because the quality is very good. Electric or nitro.

But if you don't have between $500 and a cool $1000+ then you might want to stick to the electric mini's.

The only other good advice was the Tx. But there again if you can't afford a DX7 or Futaba then buy something like a DX6i or simular programmable radio.

The mini heli forum is mainly for us guys who don't have several thousand dollars to drop on Tx's and nitro Rex machines with carbon upgrades out the ying yang. E-Sky and Eflites and the other mini's are for entry heli's that you can fly and have a lot of fun doing so. Plus crashes are not going to mean you sell off two generations of children in the future either.

Nothing wrong with asking the same question in two different forum sections IMO either because in asking in the trex section you get the apologists for Align mainly toting off why anything but a rex is junk and seem to think everyone starting out should be buying the Futaba radio's and best carbon fibre upgrades money can buy. Thats fine if you have the job and the coin to support that.

Here.... Just us middle of the road blokes. I think you'll get better and more honest middle of the road opinions here, but this is just my opinion on that as well.

But anyway... happy fly'n

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RE: New to helis - 5/11/2008 9:41:59 PM   
engraved


 

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Status: offline 		Very good point dumbdawg i am new to helis i started is a cx2 and went to blade cp+ i hate it very rough to fly for me anyhow but posting in different forums is nice for the diverse opinons. I do have a web site i found along the way that has alodda trex 450 setups for around 500-600 bucks. Still alodda money and i dont know much about e-sky helis nor am i bashing them in anyway but the belted cp is like 200 were i found. The only down fall i would have to the esky is online parts ordered but most of time u get them in 3-4 days so i guess not realy a big deal if ur patient lol. I am personally stuck between getting a trex honey be k2 or a belted cp.

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RE: New to helis - 5/12/2008 12:11:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well thanks for all the input and I hear what you are sasying about the coin. What ever set up I get I will spend a lot of time on a sim before I fly it for real. I'm just trying to get an idea of were to start. smaller electric or go right for the raptor 50 nitro you know.

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RE: New to helis - 5/12/2008 12:15:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		I can tell you by experience the a .30 nitro is easier to learn on than a micro or a mini heli. The electrics are less intimidating. I fly both. I have .30and .50 nitros and a 450 Rex and a 550 Hurricane. I like them all equally well but I find myself flying the Rex because it is just so easy to grab it and go fly. If you are going to fly nitro start there it is just as easy, if you have some one to show you the ins and out of a nitro heli.

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RE: New to helis - 5/12/2008 1:41:20 AM   
homeunt


 

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Status: offline 		well... I started with electric because I wanted to go on Nitro. I don't regret it a bit. You can learn a lot from flying to mechanical reparing from electric helis.

I would suggest you going with something like Black Hawk or Belt-Cp.

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RE: New to helis - 5/12/2008 1:54:10 AM   
jworm49


 

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Status: offline 		Planepounder thanks a lot. I don't have anyone that could help me not a lot of people into r/c in my area and no clubs close buy. Given my situation would you recomend an electric like the rex 450 or should I just hit the sim for a while and go with the nitro. I have some questions about the rex. What did you mean buy easy to just grab and fly, is it considered a mini or micro and what would you say the s=average run time is with a good batt pack? Also if I did go nitro would you recomend 30 or 50 and any particular make model? Thanks again.

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RE: New to helis - 5/12/2008 5:10:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think Nuttcaze would have issues with your advice. He's waited a LONG time for his stuff from him!!

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RE: New to helis - 5/12/2008 6:01:47 AM   
Zimatosa


 

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Status: offline 		I really can not believe that people are recommending that you go str8 for a Nitro heli. Yah, maybe if you had a bunch of friends into nitro and you had support up the wazzzooo, then I could see it. I got away from Nitro planes and bought the E_Heli for many reasons......
1.You can't just go to the neighborhood park and fly with a Nitro. ( i actually saw a Nitro Heli pilot get a ticket for flying in a park for noise pollution).
2.Nitro really pisses off the neighbors....At least my neighbors!
3. You would have to join AMA and fly at club fields ONLY, and have insurance and a certificate for the field for safety.
4.Bad for the environment....
5.Nitro all over your clothes, car, skin, garage...etc...
6.Ever try to keep a Nitro motor tuned perfectly?? Not for me.......

Anyway, these are a few things i have experience that I do not like. I really love the fact that I can hover in my front yard at midnight and test everything on my heli after I work on it, at any time of day. I would have to drive 35 minutes to fly at the nearest Nitro field.

My 2 cents....Peace,

Z

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RE: New to helis - 5/12/2008 3:38:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Why not both? I fly nitro at the club and electric at home. Nitro helis are not any more complex than electric, you just have to learn the engine. I have no real issues with my engines, rarely do the need adjustment. You need to fly a .90 heli to really apperciate how smooth and stable they are. Granted nitro is "smoky" but that is part of it. I fly my Rex a lot ( it is a great flyer) just because all I need is the heli and tx. Different strokes for different folks. IF one has "nitro help", learn on a nitro and the the electrics are easy.

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RE: New to helis - 5/12/2008 3:39:00 PM   
blk822



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Status: online 		I think a nitro would be bad for a newb with no help......You have to know how to tune your heli and the motor. And like mentioned befor the places where you can fly are limited. People just don't like the noise and smoke from the nitros. I statred with a CX2 , easy and fun to fly, but really didn't teach me to really fly a heli. A ccpm heli is way different than a co axial. I then went to the Honey Bee King V2 due to cost and ready to fly. Had to get a Futaba 6EXH radio to tame it down so "I" could fly it. The stock radio really sucked and was like it had positive expo at center stick. I now have the same heli but it is a franken heli, copterX 450 cnc head, B400 main gear,B400 main shaft (modded),Xtreme belt and drive gear,Aluminum battery tray,Trex 450 Landing gear,Hi Tec HS-55 servos,Fiber glass rotors, and a Trex 450 fiber glass canopy, and also the futaba radio and Hi Tec Rx. It flys as stabble as a Trex 450 if not better. And then I got a Gaui Hurricane 550. The Hurri is a sweet heli and pretty cheap, and VERY stable. It is also very cheap to repair after a crash. If you want a large heli and you are going to get a sim , I would say get a 550 or 600 size heli, very stable and some are very resonable in price and repair price. But also can do alot of damage to what ever they crash into. Just do alot of research and there are some great helis or there , and also some real turds.

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