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New to helis - 5/11/2008 7:36:13 AM   
jworm49


 

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Joined: 6/5/2004
From: , NH, USA
Status: offline 		Hi everyone I want to get into helis and at some point go to nitro but folks are saying I should start with an electric so I was wondering which one people recomend.
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RE: New to helis - 5/11/2008 11:08:08 AM   
brettw


 

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From: Sydney, AUSTRALIA
Status: offline 		There are plenty of options i.e, fixed pitch, coax (dual rotors), collective pitch.

The coax helis are easy to learn and fairly rock solid to fly.

Fixed pitch helis are a little harder to fly however will be more like a collective pitch heli to fly. The Walkera 4#1 is not a bad heli to start with, fairly robust and most times after a crash it may be just that you need to straighten something up

Then there is collective pitch, learning on these helis will probably cost you more in parts as when you crash when you are learning it costs more to fix as there is more to break. If your interested in this type of heli try the Walkera 36.

These are all garage or park flying helis, you could also go for a micro which are great fun to learn on however mainly for indoors unless there is no wind at all outside.

Cheers

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RE: New to helis - 5/11/2008 12:58:45 PM   
babyhuey



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From: St. James, MO, USA
Status: offline 		Number 1- Get a SIM and learn the basics with it.
Number 2- Study the forums and Magazines/books to get the basics of setting up a heli. Or better yet find someone to teach you.
Number 3- Get the biggest heli that you can afford to crash. Because you will!

If I could do it all over again this is what I would do because you can waste alot of time and money on small helis that are a nightmare to fly even for an experianced pilot.

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RE: New to helis - 5/11/2008 3:55:02 PM   
robtangie


 

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Joined: 1/17/2008
From: albia, IA, USA
Status: online 		As the saying goes,,, "don't put more money into the air than you are prepaired to loose."

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RE: New to helis - 5/11/2008 5:16:21 PM   
babyhuey



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From: St. James, MO, USA
Status: offline 		The most expensive thing that I ever owned was a "cheap" fixed pitch heli.

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RE: New to helis - 5/11/2008 6:04:32 PM   
NITRO_VEEDRIVER



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Status: offline 		i was told by alot of people that nitro helis are easier to learn on then electric . so i just turned around and traded my electric walkera 60 for a nitro 30 size heli. still setting it up . its up to the person however comfortable i guess to decide nitro or electric. whatever you do do not go for fixed pitch as this will deter you from helis period.

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RE: New to helis - 5/12/2008 2:16:36 AM   
babyhuey



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Status: offline 		I agree totally! The small fp helis are almost impossible to fly unless they are tweaked perfectly and then only if there is NO wind. They are very unreliable also and will eat you up in parts like tail motors and broken head parts.

Nitro is a lot of trouble too but the helis are much more stable and wind resistant. An expensive but ideal heli would be a Trex 600e or a Raptor 620e. A cheaper alternative might be the ESKY 550 electric.

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RE: New to helis - 5/21/2008 3:28:51 PM   
cflytrap


 

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Joined: 3/10/2008
From: Salem, OR, USA
Status: offline 		I'm a noob and I would not reccomend a nitro heli. I run nitro on road cars for years though and I will say nitro fueled models of all types are messy with the oily exhaust and that makes maintenence a PIA. Also, keeping a nitro motor running is just one more thing in a long list of things you will have to pay attention to in addition to flying cyclic control. Try balancing a marble on the top of a bowling ball while standing on the side of a 45 degree snowbank. not easy. You will have to break the engine in properly, and then have to fine tune its fuel air mixture slightly every time you fire it up.

Save yourself some frustration. please start at the bottom and work your way up. A nitro powered 600 series helicopter in the hands of a noob could mean serious injury or instant decapitation to you. Can you see your heli crashing into the distant parking lot and the potential liability of that? My buddy has a 600 electric heli and it makes me nervous. You want to get the F back when it starts to rise up.

If you want a challenge get the Walkera 22E. Its a smaller 6ch 3D heli for about a hundred bucks. the 36 is a 450 size heli I believe, which would be easier to fly than a small one.

You will likely run out of Month before the end of the Money too if you follow me.

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RE: New to helis - 5/22/2008 6:18:35 PM   
omj624p


 

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From: Stevenage, Hertfordshire, UNITED KINGDOM
Status: offline 		I have to agree with the post above, start small and progress upwards. I've been flying for ages and the bigger helis still scare the hell out of me.

No way would I have wanted to start with something large.



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RE: New to helis - 5/23/2008 11:41:04 PM   
NITRO_VEEDRIVER



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From: sudburyontario, CANADA
Status: offline 		even the electrics can decapitate you if not careful with it. its like telling all of us that run nitro boats or cars not to get into the bigger stuff as it is dangerous... phooey ..... i will admit this tho, tho nitro helis did scare the crap outta me, i still got one. i have watched numerous vids of all kinds concerning accidents and such. i still got one. electric is ok but not enough airtime on them. buy a sim and a 30 size nitro and have fun practise on the sim before anything tho as to make sure helis are what you want....

cheers
happy flyin.....

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RE: New to helis - 6/7/2008 9:08:33 PM   
zenchal26


 

Posts: 163
Joined: 4/6/2006
From: lyman, ME, USA
Status: offline 		My first heli was an eflite blade co I loved it at first but after about a month I was tired of it, too easy to fly and not a good heli to practice on if you plan on going to a single rotor heli. The next one I got was an esky honeybee cp2 collective pitch heli, good to learn on. If you don’t flip the idle up switch it acts like a fixed pitch heli and will teach you all the real controls unlike the coax helis. Then after you get it down you can flip the switch and go full collective, letting you do 3d moves. If you go with a heli like the cp2 I would say get the belt version, only thing I cant stand about my cp2 is the tail motors, I go through them like water. I just got a walkera 4#3b to practice indoors with and so far it's a great full function fixed pitch heli that takes a beating. They are a little squirrely but if you can fly it I'm sure you will be able to fly just about anything. Bigger is more stable nitro sucks IMO lots of mess and fuel cost, if you want a big heli go with a gasoline one way cheaper than nitro fuel (for now anyway).

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RE: New to helis - 6/7/2008 9:37:02 PM   
babyhuey



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Joined: 9/3/2007
From: St. James, MO, USA
Status: offline 		I'm going to stick with my earlier post and recommend going with a 30/50 size nitro or electric that was setup by someone that knows what their doing and skip the wasted time and money on the smaller stuff. You can fly more often with a larger heli and they are much more controllable in the wind.
Unless you don't plan on going further in the hobby or you fly indoors then just get a good 450 and try to learn to fly it on calm days.

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RE: New to helis - 6/13/2008 5:22:03 AM   
AZheli



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Joined: 1/13/2008
From: , AZ, USA
Status: offline 		I just got one of these delivered yesterday & they're awesome! http://www.xheli.com/20newme4chwa.html use coupon code cjfree2 for free shipping. This is a little smaller & lighter than the coax Lama v3 or v4, but it climbs like a horsefly with strawgrass up it's a$$ It's meant primarily for indoor use & I got this particular one to take to work on weekends when the office is almost deserted, but it performs better right outta the box with all the metal upgrade parts already installed & balanced.

I'm happy with the Super Lama I just built, but the little 5#10 is much more nimble.

Get one so you'll at least have something simple & sure to fly while you're waiting for replacement parts to arrive after you've crashed that shiney and pricey collective pitch helicopter you're convinced you can fly.

I've got a couple of fixed pitch & also collective pitch helis - mechanically marvelous, but they're right - you gotta get a coach, flight sim, join a club, quit smoking, swear off sugar & red dye #25 & start drinking decaf, all before attempting to fly one. OTOH, the coaxials don't know they're supposed to be difficult, so they just jump up into the air & fly!

Coaxials - for fun and easy relaxing, mindless flying -get one to fly to unwind.
FP & CP - for discipline in rotary craft flight. Get one & work on your concentration, fight, struggle & learn to fly one. Keep your bloodpressure meds on hand & don't fly after a particularly hard day at the shop ...

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RE: New to helis - 6/13/2008 1:18:23 PM   
babyhuey



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From: St. James, MO, USA
Status: offline 		True.

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