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RE: buying first blade, whats the best? - 5/29/2008 3:54:28 AM   
rotarydoc


 

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Status: offline 		Hey Def,

Yeah, there are better. longer lasting batteries, but I have no experience with any of them, so I can't make an intelligent recommendation. I have been using the stock 800's, but I have 4 of them, so it's not so bad.

Be careful with the packs, and don't over discharge them! It only takes once! I ruined one of my packs by doing that, usually, if you run it long enough that it loses alot of power, that's too far... 10 minutes is the absolute max that I run my stock 800 packs...they still have some reserve left, (I check them on my balance charger from time to time to check the amount of discharge) but not much.

I'm sure the guys will come to the rescue with some battery suggestions if you post a new thread on it...

Take care,

Glenn

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RE: buying first blade, whats the best? - 5/29/2008 11:23:33 AM   
Deftones123


 

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Status: offline 		thanks once again, if I can't get a longer lasting pack, ill prob just order a couple more of the 800 mah ones

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RE: buying first blade, whats the best? - 5/30/2008 12:53:50 AM   
Deftones123


 

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Status: offline 		so just an update, went for another fly today, it last about 2 mins, went into a hover and the wind took it, and broke one of my blades and the tail motor stoped working shortly after, I think the tail motor is shot, luckly they are cheap, when you turn the tail blade feels like the motor is binding, so looks like a new one is going to be installed, I was wondering the wires that go from the tail motor and plug into the 4 in 1, do they sell those?

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RE: buying first blade, whats the best? - 5/30/2008 2:30:17 AM   
rotarydoc


 

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Status: offline 		Hey Def,

Wow, sorry to hear about the crash! Yup, that old man WIND will get ya every time! The CPP is pretty light, and will easily get carried away in a good gust, as I guess you found out! Well, look at it this way, it's your first rebuild, and it will fly better afterwards (hopefully)!! (at least it will seem like it does...LOL)

Yeah, the motors are cheap enough, get used to replacing them...I don't know on the wire? I have never had a need for one...is yours broken? When you replace the motor, you have to solder the wires to the lugs on the new motor....be careful and hook it up the right way, the motor is marked...the red wire goes to the lug with the + sign next to it...and the screws and washers are TINY...but they give you new ones...

Also, are you sure that it's not something else binding? Check closely, because the motors don't usually bind so much as just wear out..but then again, you had a crash, so anything is possible. I would just make sure, by taking the motor off, and seeing if the tail rotor blade spins freely...which it should.

Good luck on the rebuild, if you have any questions, feel free to ask!

Glenn

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RE: buying first blade, whats the best? - 5/30/2008 2:38:48 AM   
Deftones123


 

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Status: offline 		yeah im going to take the motor off and fire it up and see if it spins, then if it doesnt it has to be the motor lol, Im excited to do my first rebulid, I have to say even going through two sets of blades in a week and a motor, it has been fun

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RE: buying first blade, whats the best? - 5/30/2008 2:57:31 AM   
rotarydoc


 

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Status: offline 		Yeah, for me, working on the helis is very enjoyable....but not to the point of wanting to crash just to make work for myself! I like to just look the heli over, check everything, and do maintenance.

The tail motors are very expendable, I have a spare just sitting here, waiting to go in when it's time...usually, they die a slow, silent death...with less and less tail control...rather than just all of a sudden stop working. But when involved in a crash, all bets are off!

Nick (evedreamer) and I are anxiously awaiting the release of the CPP 2, which is going to have an all new tail motor setup, called direct drive, it should be alot better than the little crappy motors on the CPP. Hopefully, the parts will be available when the new CPP2 comes out in a few weeks....I am going to have a VERY hard time resisting buying one of those when I see one at the LHS!!!

Ahhh...that's not bad for a complete noob, 2 sets of blades, and one motor in a week!! LOL

Keep this in mind, I have heard it lots of times; "If you can hover/fly a CPP, you can fly any RC heli" !! I have seen it here quite a bit, and also heard it from a guy that owns one at the LHS... The CPP is quite a challenge to fly smoothly, once you can, almost any other heli will be a piece of cake! Just something to keep ya going!!

Keep us updated on the rebuild!

Glenn

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RE: buying first blade, whats the best? - 5/30/2008 3:41:30 AM   
Deftones123


 

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Status: offline 		will do, I can hover pretty decently, well except today when the wind took it lol

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RE: buying first blade, whats the best? - 5/30/2008 3:43:44 AM   
Deftones123


 

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Status: offline 		I have been thinking about picking up a walkera 4#3, look like neat little helis for indoors, cheapest I can find one is around 120 bucks so, im not sure, its either that or an esky

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RE: buying first blade, whats the best? - 5/30/2008 4:05:35 AM   
DrunkYoda


 

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Status: offline 		Ah the heli bug

You should see a doctor about it Def.

Regarding the tail, some people use fuses, not sure if the link is on here anymore, but it's easier to go through a fuse than to go through the motors.

Just be careful you mess up the 4in1 and it will cost you way more than a $10 motor.

Some people also go for either direct drive or dual tail motors. Either way it will help save on motors. The dual tail will add weight to the rear meaning you'll have to add even more weight to the front to counter. Knowing you have already added weight to the flybar this will likely give you about 5 min flight times.

Good luck, keep doing what you are doing you'll get there. I recently bought me another T-rex 450SA with all electronics so I have a full spare for when one is down. I got rid of my Blade CP because it just isn't worth the trouble to fix all the time.

Have fun,

DY

PS I flew my Blade CP inside almost 100% of the time. Not sure of the walkera but if you are going to spend the money, buy parts or get another blade/better chopper don't waste money on a lesser bird. For 130 you are in Honeybee King V2 territory.

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RE: buying first blade, whats the best? - 5/30/2008 4:26:53 AM   
rotarydoc


 

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Status: offline 		Hey DY,

How do you like the T-rex 450 SA? There is one that routinely calls out my name sitting on the shelf at my LHS every time I go in there...I SWEAR it does!! LOL

This one is the kit that comes ARF, with the brushless motor and 35 amp ESC...

Sure looks nice!

I've long been bitten by the bug!

Hell, I have a B400 here that has 2 battery packs through it, brand new, as my "spare"... (reminds self that he can only fly one helicopter at a time !)

The LHS wants $269 for it...sure is tempting!

I need to stay away from that LHS !!

Take care,

Glenn

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RE: buying first blade, whats the best? - 5/30/2008 5:33:51 AM   
DrunkYoda


 

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Status: offline 		I'll tell you the Blade 400 is a pretty comparable bird.

It's all in the electronics to be honest, get decent servos and a really nice tail gyro and servo and the 400 will compete with a Trex all day long. And cheaper.

I hate saying that but I think it's pretty true. Most of the 400 owners if they flew with slightly better electronics would find that the 400 beats most heli's under $500-750.

I got the 450SA with motor/esc for 189 on nitrohobbies.com the same price the LHS has for just the kit.

As I said get a nice transmitter, receivers are fairly cheap. Once you have a Dx6i or DX7 the cost goes down significantly. Yes you will have to buy a ARF kit, yes you will get to buy the proper electronics, and yes it will cost SLIGHTLY more than stock. But you will find the heli flies WAAAAAAAAYYYY better once you step it up just a notch.

I'll tell you the 450SA is night and day over the CP/Pro, the new CP will be no better, Eflite HAS to get off the brushed motor thing and do the belt tail. these 2 improvements will make the BladeCP a near perfect beginner's heli. This is why I say look at the honeybee king v2, it is what the Blade SHOULD be. All it costs is $45 for a cheap gyro and 20 for a tail servo. No it won't be perfect but the upgrades will be way easier and hey why not sell the upgrade parts too Eflite????? Brushless motor/ESC and nice gyro/tail servo, hey we just made another $150 off the buyer of the Cp belt tail. Heck do what everyone else does with the Trex, copy the Esky HB V2 chassis and just label it Blade CPB.(belt)

Haha oh well, can you tell I hate the idea of the tail motor? Even direct drive will never match the response of the variable pitch belt drive. It can try but it won't match it.

DY


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RE: buying first blade, whats the best? - 5/30/2008 3:33:45 PM   
rotarydoc


 

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Status: offline 		Hey DY,

Well, thanks for the brutally honest answer, most guys would be touting how far superior the T-rex's are...have seen that before! I have also read what you have said, that the B400 and the T-rex 450 aren't night and day different...it's just that the T-rex's LOOK so much cooler, with the aluminum frame, ball studs, etc... seem to be of very high quality.

To be honest, I need to hone my skills more with the B400 before I progress to a "nicer" bird. I am still trying to master hovering at all angles, some forward flight/turns, etc. I have a lot of room for improvement with the pilot skill area, to be sure!

I think you are right about the tail motor issue, but I am still going to at least try the new Eflite DD tail setup on my CPP. The issue I have is not so much with the responsiveness of the tail motor setup, but the inconsistency of it's holding the tail...it just seems to have a mind of it's own. And I do have a G110 gyro, and a DX6i...and still have some tail happiness with it. It can be in a steady hover and just decides to kick the tail out about 30 degrees or so, at random!

It actully keeps me on my toes, which is not a bad thing...the B400's tail is so stable, I don't even have to think about it. It's a nice transition from flying the CPP to the B400!

I will wait on the T-rex for awhile. I really can't afford it right now anyways, at least not with decent servos, gyro, etc.

Thanks again for your input/advice!

Glenn

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RE: buying first blade, whats the best? - 5/30/2008 4:03:28 PM   
Carljw


 

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Status: offline 		On the CP PRO tail moters I found that the shaft pops out of the gear end and can be pushed back in. I had 4 moters with the shaft that poped out and I used a screwdriver to push them in and they worked fine. I also used someones idea to cut a can lid and made a piece to go over the end of the motor on the gear end to hold the shaft in and havent had one pop out since.
Carl

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