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Revo 3.3 & Wheelies? - 5/13/2008 7:51:14 AM   
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So I notice they sell wheelie bars and such, but my new revo 3.3 will not wheelie at all, is it supposed to ?

I here people talking about flipping backwards and having all kinds of crazy power from there 3.3 compared to the 2.5r but mine seems weak if it won't lift up.

Should it wheelie with ease?

or is there some tweaking involved?

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RE: Revo 3.3 & Wheelies? - 5/13/2008 4:28:21 PM   
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Indeed, there is some "tweaks" u can try; for one thing, u can try leaning out the needles(first the high speed, then the low speed) till it starts to seem like it wants to cut out, THEN richen it back 1/4 turn, that should be a good point for getting at least some sort of wheelie(hopefully). Also, u can try a lower tooth clutch bell and see if that helps ya out some...

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RE: Revo 3.3 & Wheelies? - 5/13/2008 10:56:29 PM   
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Indeed, there is some "tweaks" u can try; for one thing, u can try leaning out the needles(first the high speed, then the low speed) till it starts to seem like it wants to cut out, THEN richen it back 1/4 turn, that should be a good point for getting at least some sort of wheelie(hopefully). Also, u can try a lower tooth clutch bell and see if that helps ya out some...



also you can try and tighten your slipper clutch a little not much maybe 1/4th of a turn

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RE: Revo 3.3 & Wheelies? - 5/13/2008 11:04:06 PM   
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the stock revo 3.3 wheelies great. there's no need for a gear change. you just need a good tune on the carb and tighten up your slipper clutch all the way(just don't land from a jump with your finger on the throttle or you will strip a spur gear)after these you will want to get a wheelie bar

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RE: Revo 3.3 & Wheelies? - 5/14/2008 2:21:57 AM   
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What fuel you runing? What's your temps right now right after a high speed run? Combination of good tune on the lowend and highend plus good fuel, plug and a good breakin with cool weather should give you some good power.

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RE: Revo 3.3 & Wheelies? - 5/14/2008 2:41:26 AM   
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I race my brother and his friend and I always win because they wheelie so much while I pass them to the finish line, they can't keep their wheels on the ground where there supposed to be.

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RE: Revo 3.3 & Wheelies? - 5/14/2008 4:57:00 AM   
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I run Traxxas Fuel 20% The Temp is about 7-16C outside right now, but I heat the motor up with a hair dryer before running, it usually seems to work better that way.

I don't want my truck to do extreme wheelie's but I wouldn't mind being able to do some, so with your tips guys I am sure I will find the in between I am looking for.

Thanks for the advice.

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RE: Revo 3.3 & Wheelies? - 5/14/2008 6:38:50 AM   
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How lean should I run the new revo on the first gallon of fuel?

Right now there is substantial amounts of smoke coming from my revo, is this proper? or should it be less smoke?



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RE: Revo 3.3 & Wheelies? - 5/14/2008 12:41:18 PM   
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I tune my engine based on operating temperatures, the way it should be done. A lot of new comers come in here asking how to turn their engines only to find out they don't even have an inexpensive hand held temp device, how else are you going to tune your engine? I use a temp device (Venom temperature sensor) that raps around the cooling head and gives me current & max temperatures reached during my run. Running an engine to rich loads up the engine shortening its life, same go's for an engine running to lean. Simple right?

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RE: Revo 3.3 & Wheelies? - 5/14/2008 6:24:59 PM   
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I tune my engine based on operating temperatures, the way it should be done. A lot of new comers come in here asking how to turn their engines only to find out they don't even have an inexpensive hand held temp device, how else are you going to tune your engine? I use a temp device (Venom temperature sensor) that raps around the cooling head and gives me current & max temperatures reached during my run. Running an engine to rich loads up the engine shortening its life, same go's for an engine running to lean. Simple right?


wow. this is a biased post if i've ever read one. it sounds like "this is the way i do it, so it's right. period."

to say that tuning by temperature alone is the only way to tune is wrong. temperature is an important factor, but not the only one. you need to also look at the overall performance, sound and amount of smoke coming from the engine. there is no simple "this is the answer" way to tune. it has a lot to do with experience and "getting a feel" for the engine, since different engines will have different characteristics (including temp).

also, your comment on running too rich is absurd. if the engine were to build up enough fuel to cause damage, it will have already stalled. in 10+ years in this hobby (all nitro) i have never heard of this happening. nor have i ever heard of anyone suggesting this. rich is good. rich = more lubrication = longer engine life. it also = less performance/power, but a little less power for a lot longer life is what you want out of these things...unless you've got $$$ coming out of your butt or you're racing professionally.

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RE: Revo 3.3 & Wheelies? - 5/14/2008 8:25:01 PM   
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Tune by smoke first, temp second, my revo wheelies with long travel suspension , boggs anus down and lifts, love it, stocker it is, rocker it is ! Only does it on tarmak but and with slipper clutch tightened right up, can be risky, good driver ?

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RE: Revo 3.3 & Wheelies? - 5/14/2008 8:52:45 PM   
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I tune my engine based on operating temperatures, the way it should be done. A lot of new comers come in here asking how to turn their engines only to find out they don't even have an inexpensive hand held temp device, how else are you going to tune your engine? I use a temp device (Venom temperature sensor) that raps around the cooling head and gives me current & max temperatures reached during my run. Running an engine to rich loads up the engine shortening its life, same go's for an engine running to lean. Simple right?


To say that tuning by temperature alone is the only way to tune is wrong. temperature is an important factor, but not the only one. you need to also look at the overall performance, sound and amount of smoke coming from the engine. there is no simple "this is the answer" way to tune. it has a lot to do with experience and "getting a feel" for the engine, since different engines will have different characteristics (including temp).


"For a beginner a temp gun is the easy way", but performance, sound and amount of smoke is something you begin to noticed after you've been doing it for awhile. My brother was running in high elevation one weekend and he check his temp at 388F, his friends was 426F. They were running fine until they richened them up, they were going by the sound of their engine and almost completely burned up their engines. For a beginner a temp device is the best foolproof approach. When I tune my Sirio (255-285F), once I get to about 260F thats were the sound, smoke seem perfect. Then I take a few more high speed passes and recheck the temp, almost always I have to richen up just a little. This is just my opinion though.


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RE: Revo 3.3 & Wheelies? - 5/14/2008 10:11:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: systemlord

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ORIGINAL: NitroBobby


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ORIGINAL: systemlord

I tune my engine based on operating temperatures, the way it should be done. A lot of new comers come in here asking how to turn their engines only to find out they don't even have an inexpensive hand held temp device, how else are you going to tune your engine? I use a temp device (Venom temperature sensor) that raps around the cooling head and gives me current & max temperatures reached during my run. Running an engine to rich loads up the engine shortening its life, same go's for an engine running to lean. Simple right?


To say that tuning by temperature alone is the only way to tune is wrong. temperature is an important factor, but not the only one. you need to also look at the overall performance, sound and amount of smoke coming from the engine. there is no simple "this is the answer" way to tune. it has a lot to do with experience and "getting a feel" for the engine, since different engines will have different characteristics (including temp).


"For a beginner a temp gun is the easy way", but performance, sound and amount of smoke is something you begin to noticed after you've been doing it for awhile. My brother was running in high elevation one weekend and he check his temp at 388F, his friends was 426F. They were running fine until they richened them up, they were going by the sound of their engine and almost completely burned up their engines. For a beginner a temp device is the best foolproof approach. When I tune my Sirio (255-285F), once I get to about 260F thats were the sound, smoke seem perfect. Then I take a few more high speed passes and recheck the temp, almost always I have to richen up just a little. This is just my opinion though.



this statement illustrates what i was saying perfectly. you are tuning using all available indications, not just temperature as you initially stated. for your particular engine, the best sound/smoke/performance ratio occurs at about 260F. for someone else's engine it may occur at 275F. you figured this temperature out on your engine by your experience with the engine, which is what i was saying.

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RE: Revo 3.3 & Wheelies? - 5/14/2008 10:20:40 PM   
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