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RE: POOF! DOWN IN FLAMES!!! - 5/16/2008 4:05:11 PM   
EricOnTheWeb



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ORIGINAL: Empty Wallet

Good luck to ya with your build an all.
I know your excited an ready to get going on it. I know the feeling.
What radio set up are you going with?


I'm putting in a Futaba 2.4 ghz radio in it, s3114 on cyclic(for now) E-Sky 3800 motor, Aluminum motor mount, and a Futaba Gyro...not sure which one yet. I've always had Futaba..I like them A lot, used Futabe in all my RC planes, since I was 11 years old, including my big ass Super Cub...right now.

This will be my first shot at Helis...been wanting to do it since I started in planes a long time ago.. Tried to get dad to get me a Hirobo Shuttle when I was 12, lol.. Dad said... nah...

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RE: POOF! DOWN IN FLAMES!!! - 5/16/2008 4:17:51 PM   
EricOnTheWeb



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ORIGINAL: I had a HBK2 and a Belt CP and learned a LOT from them, but I can say I would have been further ahead if I had the REX to start with.


How's that?...you mean money wise?.. I know the Belt isn't on lines of a more $$$$ T-Rex, but it is a nice flyer and a great learning machine... that won't break the bank if you crash it, like a T-Rex.

Like everyone has said... The Belt is a trainer, and something to get your feet wet with without feeling bad about crashing a 1,000 dollar machine..

I've seen youtube videos of this thing flying, and this one person had the Belt flying upside down with the rotor hitting the grass...
I'm not going with a T-Rex until I can do that with my Belt CP.. that is just freakin awesome.

Mine will have all Futaba stuff, so I'll be avoiding the E-Sky fire electrics, lol. I estimate my ready to fly cost to be just under 600 bucks I think....but I can use the radio for some of my other airplanes as well...

I also plan on having an instructor to get me started in the right direction... he flies a 5,000 dollar Nitro heli on a daily basis..
I'm serious about this hobby, lol...

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RE: POOF! DOWN IN FLAMES!!! - 5/16/2008 4:41:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Welcome to the club Eric. Is very addicting. Thinking of trying my first invert tonite. Will see how the winds go.

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RE: POOF! DOWN IN FLAMES!!! - 5/16/2008 4:44:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		wait, how will going will all futaba stuff keep you from the esc fires? Futaba doesn't make esc's, do they? but either or, all you have to do is replace the esc to avoid the esc fire thing,not replace everything, but the stock servos only strip when you crash, the rate gyro, well you already know they're junk, but I still like flying with them, helps increase my skill faster to always fly the tail, the motors are good, the Rx/Tx sucks, but that is an investment into the hobby not the heli (well the Tx at least), but the esc is really the biggest/only major weak spot on these, but heres the esc's I'm running

Have 2 of these (both on my HBK II's) $10 - https://www.****/hobbycity/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=6458

Have one of these for 1 Belt CP $10 - https://www.****/hobbycity/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=6461

And one of these on my other Belt CP $40 - http://www.ka-planes.com/inc/sdetail/13661

Hey Eric, did you ever see the vid of the HBFP doing funnels? Its the same as what you're talking about, I saw that vid as was like "I'm flying the HBFP till I can do THAT!", lol But this is too much of an addiction to only have 1 heli
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?s=89ead4847140dd8c198da12f4e5162d1&t=618997

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RE: POOF! DOWN IN FLAMES!!! - 5/16/2008 9:37:14 PM   
EricOnTheWeb



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Status: offline 		Hey, Nuttcaze...

Hmmm I think Futaba makes ESC's, but if not, I will get anything but the E-Sky one, lol..
I also like your idea of "flying the tail" to make you more skilled... I'll most likely go with the telebee like so many have had faith in..
All I know is that the servos and TX/RX will be Futaba.. I've never flown at all a heli, so I have lots of trial and error ahead, but I now understand that they are not easy to master, and that it will take time.. I'm willing to put effort into it, and I know some bad times will happen.. Just like anything else I suppose.

I didn't see the video of the FP in a funnle... I actually may get an FP, and fly that before I get the Belt going... Seems people like the FP a lot.


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RE: POOF! DOWN IN FLAMES!!! - 5/16/2008 9:46:23 PM   
EricOnTheWeb



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Status: offline 		I checked those ESC's you posted..gahhh there are alot to these Helis....oyyy....

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RE: POOF! DOWN IN FLAMES!!! - 5/16/2008 10:09:04 PM   
nuttcaze


 

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Status: offline 		I'm a big advocate of learning on the HBFP, twitchy unpredictable, constantly have to chase the tail, yep perfect trainer, fly that and you can fly anything, but then again there are a few people who just never seem to get the hang of it. So it can be a hard choice, but of course after you crash your Belt CP twice and spend the cost of a HBFP just to fix it you might be thinking again about getting a HBFP, but also it comes with a sim program, so you can practice on your comp before trying on your Belt CP, and yes the sim that comes with it sucks but there are ways around that . I'm not sure if Futaba makes esc's, kinda why I was asking but yeah theres alot to learn about, but it basically is only a few parts,
Rx
Gyro
ESC
Brushless
4 servos

so its really not that much but figuring out the details of each can be a pain. I like my Telebee gyros, have 3, 1 on my Belt CP, another one a HBK II and the last on my ES600 (E-Smart), they all work great, where as the ESky HH gyro never worked for me, had a crap load of probs with it, don't have any probs with the ESky rate gyros, just the HH one.

But in any case have fun learning on the Belt CP, it seems to have its own learning curve

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RE: POOF! DOWN IN FLAMES!!! - 5/16/2008 11:57:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Actually the Rex SA parts are comparable to the Belt in cost being as the head is mostly plastic, blades are $12.99, the speed control also has a governor. The side frames are aluminum (tough). There is nothing really expensive about the SA. It is an ARF so @ $200.00 add radio, servos, gyro, and battery and you are ready. Seems like many people add new ESCs, radio systems etc to HB2Ks and Belts, why not just start with an SA?

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RE: POOF! DOWN IN FLAMES!!! - 5/17/2008 2:02:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: planepounder

Actually the Rex SA parts are comparable to the Belt in cost being as the head is mostly plastic, blades are $12.99, the speed control also has a governor. The side frames are aluminum (tough). There is nothing really expensive about the SA. It is an ARF so @ $200.00 add radio, servos, gyro, and battery and you are ready. Seems like many people add new ESCs, radio systems etc to HB2Ks and Belts, why not just start with an SA?


I got my Belt ARF for 100 dollars, so that's a 100 dollars saved right off the bat from buying the SA rex. With the same radio stuff I would put in the belt, I would put into the SA Rex if I had bough it. So the belt will still be a hundred bucks cheaper leaving me an extra 100 dollars for spare parts when I crash..

I'm a strictly new heli flyer(never done it yet) so that extra 100 bucks saved with a Belt CP is a tremendous value to me..
Yes the Belt seems to be cheaper as far as not having carbon fiber or aluminum, but I've heard over and over that it really flies nice and it's a great heli to break yourself into the hobby without getting discouraged over crashing a higher end Heli..

I have respect for everyone's opinion... Yes the T-Rex is a nicer made machine, but as a beginer...I just want to taste what it is like before I invest way to much money... The Belt CP will let me do that

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RE: POOF! DOWN IN FLAMES!!! - 5/17/2008 3:10:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		Glad your into helis. It doesnt really matter what we all fly, just as long we have fun doing it!!

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RE: POOF! DOWN IN FLAMES!!! - 5/17/2008 3:00:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: planepounder

Glad your into helis. It doesnt really matter what we all fly, just as long we have fun doing it!!



Word up...


I can't wait to actualy start making this thing come together.. I have to wait even longer though, because I had some emergency household and vehicle issues that popped up I have my belt on my shelf in plain view so I don't lose the passion to get it going..

I really can't wait to start flying this thing... I'll take it to camp when I can fly it, so I can draw up a crowd .. I love to see little kids smiles when they see something like this... It's cute.

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RE: POOF! DOWN IN FLAMES!!! - 5/17/2008 4:31:14 PM   
Empty Wallet


 

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ORIGINAL: planepounder

Actually the Rex SA parts are comparable to the Belt in cost being as the head is mostly plastic, blades are $12.99, the speed control also has a governor. The side frames are aluminum (tough). There is nothing really expensive about the SA. It is an ARF so @ $200.00 add radio, servos, gyro, and battery and you are ready. Seems like many people add new ESCs, radio systems etc to HB2Ks and Belts, why not just start with an SA?


YEAH!!
My point EXACTLY!!
One thing you forgot to mention is that with an aluminum head and tail they are actually CHEAPER to fix than a BeltCP.
The head wont break everytime the blade tips nip the dirt.
Nutcaze just admitted that every piece of electronics on the bird are JUNK.
But yet he still continues to defend his position as if he owned the company.
Even after his own Belt burned up and had to fork out the dough to replace all the electronics on his own bird.
I dont get it. What is so hard about admitting you made a mistake.
I made a HUGE mistake when I bought a BeltCP RTF.
This isnt about my own personal satisfaction.
This is about being a stand up guy and warning off others so they dont get screwed as well.

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RE: POOF! DOWN IN FLAMES!!! - 5/17/2008 4:54:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		???? REALLY, QUIT PISSING AND MOANING, first I did not say every piece of esky electronics was junk, where did that come from? I said the esc's are bad when using them on a Belt CP or with a 20C battery, on a HBK II they work just fine, The HH gyros might be junk I haven't had luck with the ONE that I bought, but I'm not gonna say "ALL ESky HH GYROS ARE JUNK" no cause thats not true. some have great luck, and even though my ESC on my Belt CP caught fire you don't hear me crying a river like someone just pissed in my cheerios, no I simply replaced it with a better ESC and kept flying (OMG< Call 911 I had to replace a part on my Belt CP that I was gonna replace anyways, its an emergency, call the national guard, army, navy, call the president ), the ESky servos only strip when you crash and they don't strip on the lighter Esky helis, my HBFP's have NEVER stripped a servo, and my Belt CP stripped 1 and so did my HBK II but those were from CRASHING, not because one day they decided just to go bad, the motors work great till you overload them (which would happen only on a 3100, NOT the 3800 that comes with the Belt CP), and anyone who plans on staying in this hobby will eventually get a new Tx and upgrading the Rx is just part of that, I have my one Belt CP running on FM and works just fine.

SO YOU HAD "ONE" just "ONE" bad experience and you make it sound like you've had more then just one esky and they all were bad, but NO you happen to get ONE bad one and start spewing all this crap about the Belt CP being crap, get a life, sh$t happens and you need to roll with it, do you see every Belt CP owner coming on here and saying how much they hate their Belt CP??? NO YOU DO NOT, the company you bought your Belt CP offered to replace it but you choose not too, fine thats your deal, but without that you have NO ground to stand on when making your argument, but you need to cut the "Belt CP's are crap" stuff or take it to another thread.

Don't try drawing my experiences into your aregument that I don't agree with, if I thought ESky heli were junk do you honestly think I'd own 7?? I just don't understand what you're smoking to come up with all these weird conclusions. The parts I listed in my earlier post were not parts that are bad on the Belt CP, those are the parts needed for a heli, any heli. Eric noted that there was alot to these helis so I merely listed the parts needed, not the bad parts that esky makes.

So go be a "Stand Up GUY' somewhere else instead of continuing to spew crap in the ESky forums.

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RE: POOF! DOWN IN FLAMES!!! - 5/17/2008 5:19:26 PM   
Empty Wallet


 

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Are you kidding me?
Here are your quotes;

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ORIGINAL: nuttcaze

all you have to do is replace the esc to avoid the esc fire thing,
but the stock servos only strip when you crash,
the rate gyro, well you already know they're junk,
Rx/Tx sucks,


Your right. Im sorry.
The batteries are good. Right?

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