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TopGun photos - 5/14/2008 1:47:18 AM   
nine o nine


 

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Status: offline 		I just saw the TopGun photos by Palmer Johnson on the Frank Tiano website. WOW!!!!!!
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RE: TopGun photos - 5/15/2008 1:51:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		I agree!! All are excellent photos!
They are so clear you can see the individual puffs of exhaust of my Saito 1.80 in several of the pictures of the yellow/black/white crop duster on the Saturday and Sunday pages.

www.franktiano.com Top Gun '08 photos

D. Hayes

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RE: TopGun photos - 5/20/2008 2:05:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		Dear Trushdust..

What a beautiful your aircraft Trush is!!

Unfortunately I was not able to attend Top Gun this year with my 'tin' airplanes. I would have love to see your masterpi4ece and talk with you.
How did you manage to make the main wheels so realistic??

Carlos

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RE: TopGun photos - 5/23/2008 3:45:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks Carlos, noticed you were missing this year.

A local club member turned the basic wheels with attached brake discs for me on his home lathe from 3" aluminum barstock. Then I added the "extra" details and mounted them with the Dubro tires. Then there's the 5 years of wear and natural weathering.....

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RE: TopGun photos - 5/23/2008 3:58:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Thrush!
You have a great model - I thought it was great when you started spraying that stinky stuff out of the spraybars (I won't say what it was!) I was the guy with the F-107 model.

When I saw your model, one thing I thought you might want to consider simulating: You have 1 or 2 yellowish translucent panels which I assume is the spray tank, just ahead of the cockpit? What if that wall was actually double walled (say 1/8" apart?), and sealed around the perimeter? Then you could fill it with a viscous liquid (a lightweight oil?) about 1/3 the way, to give the effect of a partially filled spray tank? Just a thought - might take some experimenting...

Anyway, congrats with the win!

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RE: TopGun photos - 5/23/2008 1:22:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ron, Actually that is something that has been considered in the past, the hopper panels are translucent and have an additional panel behind them the to get the right color effect for static judging. Unfortunately my documentation photos show them "empty" and with a takeoff weight over 28lbs with the 10 oz of baby powder and 9 oz of CO2 used each flight to simulate the spraying passes I have to limit additional luxuries. I'd love to add the rest of a full cockpit too, but for every ounce I add there I have to add 3 in the nose and the Saito 1.80 it's built around is doing all it can now to keep us flying now.

Nice 107 too!
I like models that are different, to many of the jets are falling into the Extra/Edge/bellybutton category (everybody has one and they all look alike). Sorry for the odor, it's Barbee repellent!

D Hayes


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RE: TopGun photos - 5/23/2008 3:24:32 PM   
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RE: TopGun photos - 5/23/2008 5:32:32 PM   
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to many of the jets are falling into the Extra/Edge/bellybutton category (everybody has one and they all look alike).

D Hayes



You're kidding right? Jets are the smallest segment of the hobby. 99% of modelers can't afford one, yet you say everyone has one? So you weren't impressed with Ali's huge Citation, or the Mears/Schulman T-bird F-16, or any of the F-100's? To each their own I guess. I assume you approve of the penalty that was put on jets?
BTW, I thin your Thrush looks fantastic.
Paul

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RE: TopGun photos - 5/23/2008 6:00:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		It does seem to be the same narrow selection of aircraff year after year. At times it seems like 20 aircraft make up 90% of everything seen at TopGun. It seems there are like 5 jets, 5 WWII warbirds, and 5 WWI jobs.

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RE: TopGun photos - 5/23/2008 6:08:13 PM   
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Status: online 		Jets were aproaching 50% of the field, as SDC pointed out, that is far from representative of what the populace has. When compared to a rockwell vs a waco vs an Albatros, Dh's comments about most jets looking alot alike holds quite a bit of water (at least with me). As to Abu's comment, Photographers get enthralled with certain exceptional models (in their eyes) as they are only human. Yes, I reallllllly liked the scoring this year. It is very hard to compete with planes which have bomb drops and multiple mechanicals. Yes, I choose what I fly and think I do a nice job but it is hard to compete with auto 10's. That being said, I would gladly take a know penalty/benefit system with jets included than seperate categories. I take great joy in beating jets! Congrats to DH on an excellant job and it was a ball battling to the last .01 point!!

DJ

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RE: TopGun photos - 5/23/2008 7:37:54 PM   
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It does seem to be the same narrow selection of aircraff year after year. At times it seems like 20 aircraft make up 90% of everything seen at TopGun. It seems there are like 5 jets, 5 WWII warbirds, and 5 WWI jobs.


You are not sitting on the same side of the table as am I. Every year, I get to see the best of the best.

Bill, AMA 4720
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RE: TopGun photos - 5/23/2008 8:00:21 PM   
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You are not sitting on the same side of the table as am I. Every year, I get to see the best of the best.


I can only judge from afar (really far) based on the photos posted on the site. I'd say my comments hold true for the photos up there now. Each year I see the same photos of the same few aircraft. I see more diversity reflected in scale contests covered in the UK modeling mags.

And really, what's up with that red DrI? That's just awful!

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RE: TopGun photos - 5/23/2008 9:50:10 PM   
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That being said, I would gladly take a know penalty/benefit system with jets included than seperate categories. I take great joy in beating jets! Congrats to DH on an excellant job and it was a ball battling to the last .01 point!!

DJ


Are you of the opinion that penalizing Jets is the only way possible to beat them?
If so, is that because of their scale sound as well as looks, or just because they are pretty much the coolest thing on the planet?

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RE: TopGun photos - 5/23/2008 11:50:10 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: cocobear

That being said, I would gladly take a know penalty/benefit system with jets included than seperate categories. I take great joy in beating jets! Congrats to DH on an excellant job and it was a ball battling to the last .01 point!!

DJ


Are you of the opinion that penalizing Jets is the only way possible to beat them?
If so, is that because of their scale sound as well as looks, or just because they are pretty much the coolest thing on the planet?


You should look at Top Gun for what it actually is. It is a gathering of the best of all Scale Models. It is not Jet vs Prop, since they can (due to Frank's unique rules) compete with a level field. The jets, by design handle the wind at Top Gun better than some of the old rag wing taildraggers. The handicap system levels the field. You can't look at something like the Ayers Thrush, or the Porsche Mooney, or one of the great piston engined warbirds and say that they are not as worthy as a great jet. Conversely, you can't look at the A-10 of Mike Selby, or Mears' F-16 and say that they are not as impressive (or more so) as any model aircraft that has ever been seen.

I have had the honor of judging all the entries in Team Scale, and can tell you that they are all worthy competitors. We are all guilty of wanting our favorite type of model to win. Frank's method is fair, and is constantly being reviewed to ensure that one type of model does not gain an unfair advantage over another.

Abu,

I don't know which DR-1 you are referencing. One that I saw was an old model that was built by the entrants Father, and was entered in the Pro-Am class. As such, it was a welcome entrant in the event.

It's pretty easy to sit and become a Monday morning quarterback, but it's quite another thing to have 15 minutes to assess the finest models in the world. They are all winners by the sheer fact that they were there.

Bill, AMA 4720
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