Crashing with my DX6i/6200 Rx failure

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Zimatosa -> Crashing with my DX6i/6200 Rx failure (5/15/2008 7:23:29 AM)
My Heli flies so much better with the DX6i, but now my receiver has shut down 3 f'ing times since installing the 6200 and DX6i. I never crashed because of the electronics failure before I bought my new radio!!@$&&%#@! Only cause I am a noob pilot! I have read a little bit about these failures and it seems that it is the fault of the pilot and not of the Rx according to a search I did on the problem...I guess since I have a battery(Brand f'ing new MegaPower 1350)that will not supply a constant 4.5 volts or higher to the Rx, I am the idiot. What a crock of sht this new problem really is.... Seems now that I can fly confidently without crashing, another wrench is thrown in my spokes that causes the heli to fall to Earth for seemingly no logical reasons. I guess I have to throw my bloody Mega Power's in the trash and start over? What else is there to do? Keep crashing over and over again because of an Rx that won't work under 4.5v? Spektrum owes me some parts as far as I am concerned......But that would never happen cause it is my fault and I am an idiot.[sm=spinnyeyes.gif] Anyone else have this happen to them? If so what battery were you running? Maybe if I got rid of the stock charger, my batteries would work more efficient? Ah well, back to the drawing board.... Any thought or tips would be appreciated...Sorry for the Rant!!! Feels almost better..... Z

N1pster -> RE: Crashing with my DX6i/6200 Rx failure (5/15/2008 8:06:09 AM)
Must be your ESC that's not delivering the right voltage? Might be worth trying the receiver with an independant battery pack 3.5v - 9.6v to see if the problem re-occurs. It's possible you have a duff receiver. Whichever way you look at it, crashing when it isn't your fault sucks. Hope you get it sorted.

nuttcaze -> RE: Crashing with my DX6i/6200 Rx failure (5/15/2008 10:11:19 AM)
I going with an ESC problem too, I'd either go with a seperate BEC or serperate Rx battery, heres the BEC ($15) I use in my E-Smart (also running a AR6200) http://www.helidirect.com/product_info.php?cPath=93&products_id=1157

shizack -> RE: Crashing with my DX6i/6200 Rx failure (5/15/2008 10:11:54 AM)
When moving into a "modular" style heli - and I consider the King an entry-level modular heli - certain facts of life are re-defined. One of these is that flying with a separate BEC becomes almost a necessity. Most el-cheapo ESC's (Dynam and Esky come to mind) are woefully under-powered as far as supplying voltage/current to the RX. A BEC/UBEC is a cheap insurance policy against unexpected power drop-outs. ESC's claim to be able to support 4 servos. What about the gyro? That's basically a 5th servo. Another is that Spektrum RX's are hungry little beasts. They're not very forgiving in low-power situations. I wouldn't think of flying with an ARXXX without a BEC. If you already use an external BEC, please post your configuration for further analysis and accept my apology in assuming you don't have one. If you don't have one, I suggest getting one. I use the HobbyWing UBEC with an AR6200 powered by tired 1000mah/10C Esky greenies. Never had a dropout in at least 150 flights.

DumbDawg -> RE: Crashing with my DX6i/6200 Rx failure (5/15/2008 4:51:04 PM)
I'm wondering if this isn't my problem too then... For some reason my Rx looses or won't take a binding. All bats fresh too. Like the other day when it wouldn't, esc, recognise my upper and lower stick positions and FunFlier told me how he does his esc programming stick positions. Well I did mine 4xs before it would take and hold. So heres what might be causing my troubles. I have a low battery warning on my heli. Consists of an adjustable pot so I can set the voltage to whatever I want for a warning and it runs off the battery and feeds 4 rather large leds. I was thinking of dumping it anyway because when I plug in my battery I get a loud electrical snap... I don't like deans connectors either. I have a small low bat warning device that plugs into the charging plug of the battery that I'm using too... testing to see which one I was going to use. SOOO with all that draw on the battery could very well be the culpret making my heli act hugely goofy and not hold its bind etc... I have a bec sitting here... Shizack can you give a small explanation on the correct way to hook these up. I'm lazy!!:) You don't have to I'll get it figured out. But!! You think that all the junk I have hooked up to my brid is causing it to goof off?? Happy Fly'n

nuttcaze -> RE: Crashing with my DX6i/6200 Rx failure (5/15/2008 5:10:14 PM)
I have no binding issues or Rx probs on either my ES600 or HBK II or Belt CP, but both the Belt CP and HBK II use better 30a esc's w/becs and the ES600 has a 80a Hobbywing and seperate bec. if you click on my link above it has the pics showing how to hook it up, its kind of a like $15 insurance card that your Rx always has good power, nicer ESC's with built in bec's are ok too.

DumbDawg -> RE: Crashing with my DX6i/6200 Rx failure (5/15/2008 7:30:08 PM)
My esc has a built in bec but I'm think'n maybe its not doing its job so maybe I'll dump some of the other junk and go simple... simply add more stuff instead of junk!! :) I'll look at that link asap... but its toooo nice outside right now and I gotta get some other stuff done before I can go do some more crashing... rr fly'n :) Thx bro Happy fly'n

evdreamer -> RE: Crashing with my DX6i/6200 Rx failure (5/15/2008 7:41:16 PM)
Do you have the new update firmware for the AR6200? I also use the AR6200 with an Align 35A ESC with no problems. With it I don't need a BEC. I have had 114 problem free flights. I am also using Flight Power batteries.

nuttcaze -> RE: Crashing with my DX6i/6200 Rx failure (5/15/2008 9:46:04 PM)
firmware update?

Druss -> RE: Crashing with my DX6i/6200 Rx failure (5/15/2008 9:57:41 PM)
I sent in all my spectrum receivers for a firmware update a couple months ago. it now reconnects after power loss immediately instead of 3 seconds.

nuttcaze -> RE: Crashing with my DX6i/6200 Rx failure (5/15/2008 10:00:46 PM)
how do I know if they need the update? I bought them last month

DumbDawg -> RE: Crashing with my DX6i/6200 Rx failure (5/15/2008 11:45:05 PM)
Does this apply to any of the other AR series Rx's???? I just got my Ar6100 but who knows how 'old' it really is.

Druss -> RE: Crashing with my DX6i/6200 Rx failure (5/16/2008 3:32:11 AM)
the test is really easy, hook up one servo into one of the servo slots on the receiver, plug the battery into the receiver using the switch between the battery and receiver make sure you've binded properly and move the appropriate stick to make sure the servo is working. then, leaving the tx on, switch the receiver off then on again and while moving the stick on the tx, see how quickly the servo starts moving.

Zimatosa -> RE: Crashing with my DX6i/6200 Rx failure (5/16/2008 5:04:23 AM)
I thank you all very much for the input. Though I am sure that this problem has only been happening on my 1350 MegaPower battery, I am going to get that BEC, or equivalent that you recommended....Insurance in this case is worth the 15 $$Bones$$. Didn't have time to work on the Heli today. I will start on this tomorrow. Unfortunately my family is flying to Texas because of a death in the family and I have been running around making sure everything gets done before they leave...I can not go along so I will have a little time to get my heli back in the air in a safe manner...?? Thanks again everyone for their input! Z

shizack -> RE: Crashing with my DX6i/6200 Rx failure (5/16/2008 8:25:10 AM)
Something to note on BEC installation - unless the instructions state otherwise, you will have to disable the ESC's onboard BEC. This is done by removing or cutting and insulating the red center wire of the existing ESC's "servo plug" that goes in the RX. Some BEC's run inline with the ESC's RX line, and this won't be necessary. It IS necessary with most BEC's I've seen, including the HobbyWing. Make sure to RTFM, even if it is in Chinglish.

funflier -> RE: Crashing with my DX6i/6200 Rx failure (5/16/2008 11:09:09 AM)
the issue was with the AR6100 ver 1.2 NOT the AR6100e ver 1.2 If you have one of those (AR6100) send it back they will reprogram it and return it, it's on their website. BTW they must have made another change as when I just bought a 3rd AR6100e and I notice that it is a ver 1.6, checking stock at my LHS showed me that the AR6100's that they have in stock are ALL ver 1.6....why do I think Spectrum knows something that I don't and should.[:o] I want to have most of my fav planes on 2.4 and my HB king also, BUT I don't want to find out later that there is update that that is critical. Windows 98 could not be located on this computer. What would you like to do? 1. Sing 2. Dance 3. Cheer 4. All of the above

nuttcaze -> RE: Crashing with my DX6i/6200 Rx failure (5/16/2008 4:49:47 PM)
lol, no windows, arghhhhhhhhhh [sm=lol.gif]

Zimatosa -> RE: Crashing with my DX6i/6200 Rx failure (5/16/2008 10:15:49 PM)
I dropped the peeps off at the airport and headed str8 to Century Helicopters/Helicopter World(cause it is in San Jose, and I have never been...)i bought one of there BEC's ($14.00)and got some advice on how to install it. Seems easy enough, just a little bit of stripping and clipping! Soldering is fun as heck too so I like it already! I shall let you all know after 5-10 batteries if I am golden on this set-back or if I have to start over.... Peace and thanks... Z

nuttcaze -> RE: Crashing with my DX6i/6200 Rx failure (5/16/2008 11:01:20 PM)
its funny cause I really like soldering too, was never good at it till I watched the finlessbob vids about soldering, wow what a difference that made, I feel I am really good now, just wish I had more stuff to solder [:D]

Zimatosa -> RE: Crashing with my DX6i/6200 Rx failure (5/16/2008 11:26:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: nuttcaze its funny cause I really like soldering too, was never good at it till I watched the finlessbob vids about soldering, wow what a difference that made, I feel I am really good now, just wish I had more stuff to solder [:D] ....You can start melting all those old D&D pewter figurines that you have stored in boxes??[;)] Back in the early 80's a friend of mine and myself did just that....We knew nothing about Ebay and what those suckers would probably be worth today! What a shame. Ah well, they were not mine and I still have all my Star Wars cards and BBall cards...LOL Z

nuttcaze -> RE: Crashing with my DX6i/6200 Rx failure (5/16/2008 11:52:09 PM)
check out my fleet [image]http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii217/nuttcaze/myfleet.jpg[/image]

Zimatosa -> RE: Crashing with my DX6i/6200 Rx failure (5/17/2008 3:10:19 AM)
...Nut case!

Zimatosa -> RE: Crashing with my DX6i/6200 Rx failure (5/17/2008 3:13:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: shizack Something to note on BEC installation - unless the instructions state otherwise, you will have to disable the ESC's onboard BEC. This is done by removing or cutting and insulating the red center wire of the existing ESC's "servo plug" that goes in the RX. Some BEC's run inline with the ESC's RX line, and this won't be necessary. It IS necessary with most BEC's I've seen, including the HobbyWing. Make sure to RTFM, even if it is in Chinglish. Thanks Shiz....I had a personal lesson on what to do and he told me just that. "Cut the red center wire from the ESC to the Rx" The instructions DO NOT say to do this, I am glad that you and he mentioned this fact. Seems important! 4 shiz-zle... Z

Zimatosa -> RE: Crashing with my DX6i/6200 Rx failure (5/17/2008 5:41:36 AM)
I installed the BEC and did a ground test before flight. Everything seemed to be working perfect so I took off and 15 seconds into my flight, power cut off and DID NOT COME BACK ON for at least 2-3 seconds. I think the shop I bought my radio from sold my the old style receivers without fast connect!!?? What is the sure fire way of knowing if I have fast connect equipped on my receivers? This is getting old. 4 minor crashes and counting now.....I lost yet another new set of blades and a feathering shaft for 15 seconds of flight... Spektrum is on my sht list and I recommend them to no one. How the he* can Esky's electronics be more reliable? You have to suck pretty bad to be worse than Esky electronics..... $@#@*@%@$##@! Back to the drawing board.....This is rediculous. Z

xodarap1 -> RE: Crashing with my DX6i/6200 Rx failure (5/17/2008 6:35:57 AM)
Z, are you sure this is an RX problem and not a bad battery connection or other connection somewhere? I've got a bunch of JR/Spektrum stuff here and it has all worked flawlessly with all kinds of batteries, including Mega's and with and without RX packs, digital and non-digital servos etc. It could be a connection issue that only fails when the heli is vibrating at a certain resonance in flight. Have you tried to power the RX with a separate RX pack, then strap the heli down to run a few packs through it to see if it still fails?

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