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New YS DZ170 cdi - 5/15/2008 1:40:48 PM

sarashina

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Here is the first information of a new YS DZ170 cdi engine. It is not a gas engine.

http://f3a.sakura.ne.jp/radiocontroll/event/2008_Shizuoka_HobbyShow/2008_Shizuoka_HobbyShow01.html

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RE: New YS DZ170 cdi - 5/15/2008 2:25:49 PM

Andy P.

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Interesting!

Can't see it having a market place in F3a though due to the extra weight of the cdi unit, however maybe the 3d guy's may find it more useful.

Andy.

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RE: New YS DZ170 cdi - 5/15/2008 3:39:51 PM

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It will be nice to see some reports. Fuel savings will be great. We also need to check the power since there are a lot more BTU in nitro fuel compared with gasoline fuels. In any event, it is very nice to see this new option.

Thanks for let us know,

Vicente "Vince" Bortone

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RE: New YS DZ170 cdi - 5/15/2008 4:19:32 PM

Troy Newman

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my mistake..............

< Message edited by Troy Newman -- 5/23/2008 1:27:37 AM >

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RE: New YS DZ170 cdi - 5/15/2008 4:24:16 PM

jaycey

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quote:

It is not a gas engine

What is it then? a glow engine with spark?
CDi...maybe the 'd' means diesel?!! (well it does on a mercedes benz!)

Any more info on what it is exactly?

Jason

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RE: New YS DZ170 cdi - 5/15/2008 4:44:29 PM

vbortone

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Troy,

I guess that they are getting more power by getting the exact spark timing in all conditions. It is nice to see all this new developments.

Thanks,

Vicente "Vince" Bortone

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RE: New YS DZ170 cdi - 5/15/2008 4:59:29 PM

sarashina

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Jason,

This is exactly a glow engine. CDI enables driving with a thin air-fuel mixture. So it does not need much fuel than normal DZ170.

sarashina

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RE: New YS DZ170 cdi - 5/15/2008 5:05:55 PM

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Not sure how they can top the performance and reliability of the 160-170DZ, but one thing I hear is that it's supposed to cure the dreaded DZ kick. And of course doesn't require a glow igniter which is neat.

I want one! LOL

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RE: New YS DZ170 cdi - 5/15/2008 5:06:24 PM

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Hi all

Stéphane Carrier (same club) uses this engine on his Intégral.
Fuel used is méthanol, nitro (25%) and oil (only 7 %).
So 170 DZ cdi is more power than 170DZ glow (there is much methanol).
With the same quantity of fuel, flight lasts 20 mn instead of 10 mn. So it is cheaper.
Plane is clean because less oil.
We don't see smoke during the flight.
This engine has a spark given by a batterie and set by electronic.
I saw flights F09 with this engine, it's awesome. Steph don't use all the power to do them.
Regards

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RE: New YS DZ170 cdi - 5/15/2008 11:07:34 PM

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Again my mistake.........

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RE: New YS DZ170 cdi - 5/16/2008 8:01:12 AM

fifou313

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Is there (in the future

) an upgrade kit to transform 170DZ in cdi version??

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RE: New YS DZ170 cdi - 5/16/2008 9:26:18 AM

sarashina

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The web-site that I showed is reporting that conversion kit is available for present DZ 170 and DZ 160. The list price is about 24000 yen (230 dollars). And YS plans to start selling DZ 170 cdi in this September.

sarashina

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RE: New YS DZ170 cdi - 5/16/2008 2:42:08 PM

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So that means it'll hit the States some time in 2010...

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RE: New YS DZ170 cdi - 5/16/2008 2:48:20 PM

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Neat. Spark ignition on a Nitromethane fueled model airplane motor is nothing new. Just look at any "antique" model engine collection. What would be nice with the new stuff is if you could change the spark curve to accomodate different fuels and props. Right now you can only do that (in a less granular fashion) with head shims and different glow plugs. Maybe it really (finally) is the "digital age"...

John Pavlick
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RE: New YS DZ170 cdi - 5/16/2008 4:00:36 PM

mola

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Just FYI...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4cdt20G8WE

http://www.mueller-modellbau-technik.de/

This version won't work with a nose-ring however due to the hall sensor on the front bearing housing. What interests me about this is the chance maybe to reduce the nitro content and hence the cost of the fuel...

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RE: New YS DZ170 cdi - 5/17/2008 6:46:13 AM