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RE: bv packs it in ? - 5/16/2008 3:47:15 PM   
Gordito Volador



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Actually, now that I think of it, I'm glad that I missed SEFF this year. Thanks for posting an accurate first person account of this unfortunate incident.

Best Regards, Bill

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RE: bv packs it in ? - 5/16/2008 3:51:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		C/F the simple fact is BV did not fly inside of the cone that marked the foamy area nor did he put any pilot at risk.
Yes he barked and was less than professional in his dealing with the event staff.
It would be in his best interest to handle these sort of situations differently, I think we all agree there.
See you at KY jets?

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RE: bv packs it in ? - 5/16/2008 6:30:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		SEFF sounds like a playground...not a flightline.
Don't fly over the cone that marks the foamie area???
This is the jet forums.

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RE: bv packs it in ? - 5/16/2008 7:01:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: R_Belluomini
Ok guys I was standing 25 feet behind BV and saw it unfold.
It was BV's first flight as they got there late (4:00 pm). The sport area was busy as it was the best time of the day to fly.
BV was asked to move his flight path further out as his upwind line would take to the back edge of the center flying area.
The air boss asked him to angle his flight path further out. I think BV was trying to adjust his flight path but it is hard to judge the angle. The air boss made a second request that could have been handled differently and BV reacted to being yelled at while flying his jet as ANY of us would have. I think the whole situation could have been managed better if the air boss would have quietly asked BV's spotter, Dustin to advise BV that he was flying along the back side of adjacent flight space.


I was not at SEFF to see what went on – the comments I'm gonna make here apply in general rather than being directed only at one event / person etc.

You may well be right that it could have been handled better by the airboss – however there is also an opposite side to that coin, which is that the airboss can NOT afford to take lots of chances with other people's aircraft and personal safety by being "too gentle".

I spent some time doing pseudo-airboss duties at a reasonably busy event this year (not as busy as SEFF though), and I gave one pilot & his spotter two "pleasant" reminders to stay in the pattern. After I was ignored on both occasions I was just about to step forward and get tough when that pilot's aircraft came within inches of taking out another model in a mid-air due to it flying counter-pattern, and some pretty strong language started flowing from one pilot station to another. In retrospect I realized that I erred in being nice twice rather than just once, because I allowed an unsafe situation to continue longer than I should have.

So, it's quite possible that in this case the airboss was actually being smart in getting much tougher with his second warning than with his first, and that he realized that being gentle for too long is dangerous.

You mention that BV got there late. Did he know what the flightline restrictions were before he flew ? It's been my experience that guys who show up after the morning pilots' briefing is already over often don't take the time to find out what they missed regarding flightlines, safety rules etc. IMO anyone who turns up late should go out of their way to find out about what was missed at the briefing, and anyone who registers a pilot after the briefing should also go out of their way to make sure the pilot is aware of such points.

Gordon


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RE: bv packs it in ? - 5/16/2008 7:42:57 PM   
R_Belluomini



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Status: offline 		Quite to the contrary. There were over twenty flight stations in operation from sun up to sun down.
I agree this is the Jet forum, I merely responded to a post about a situation I had first had experience with.
Bob

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ORIGINAL: SDCrashmaster

SEFF sounds like a playground...not a flightline.
Don't fly over the cone that marks the foamie area???
This is the jet forums.


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RE: bv packs it in ? - 5/16/2008 7:49:26 PM   
R_Belluomini



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Good point, but BV never violated the pattern he merely flew very far up wind along the backside of the center flying area and maybe from the event directors perspective he was over flying that area, but I don't think so. I was focused on the model, watching the performance of the vertical power and top speed not his path over the ground.

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RE: bv packs it in ? - 5/16/2008 8:28:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		And Electric Bobb,we really appreciate your factual account on this matter.






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RE: bv packs it in ? - 5/16/2008 8:33:34 PM   
R_Belluomini



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RE: bv packs it in ? - 5/16/2008 8:33:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		BV is there to demo, its his what he does for bucks, from the last few coments here he was in line, most people there just to fly,its a bad mix. the best part about defending BV is hearing the same people CRY...

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RE: bv packs it in ? - 5/16/2008 8:48:12 PM   
smokin-gun


 

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Status: offline 		hey pete, when was the last time you saw somebody be asked to leave at an event?

according to the seff officers post- mike parsons , that is what happened.

hey bob , was he in fact asked to leave or not ?
since you are the man with the up close and personel defense.

alot of guys on the elect forum seem to thing the seff actions were just.


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RE: bv packs it in ? - 5/16/2008 8:53:13 PM   
R_Belluomini



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Status: offline 		Gerry,
I was not nearby when that conversation occurred.

Opinions are like............. each to their own.

Now back to our regular programming folks



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RE: bv packs it in ? - 5/16/2008 9:01:08 PM   
smokin-gun


 

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Status: offline 		thanks for the backpeddling - i mean answer.
how many days of detox is it going to take to get you off the purple kool-aid?????????

i don't know why you would be watching him fly anyway, you stuff is just as fast and half the price!!!!!!!!!!

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RE: bv packs it in ? - 5/16/2008 9:14:41 PM   
Jet Lag


 

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I HAVE SUPPORTED BV WITH MY CREDIT CARD THIS WEEK

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RE: bv packs it in ? - 5/16/2008 9:15:49 PM   
R_Belluomini



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Status: offline 		I know my jet is just as fast but BV has really closed the gap so I had to see if I would need to go to full throttle on my next flight.

I was present at the flight line. BV had it out with Jeff at the center of field and I was not present for that conversation.

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RE: bv packs it in ? - 5/16/2008 9:24:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		soooooo!- you flew your 150-200 mph jet all week and did not get asked to leave so aparently the flightline rules could be easily followed.

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RE: bv packs it in ? - 5/16/2008 9:25:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		People talk big on the internet......Why don"t you ask BV instead of using your long distance attack?...I guess some people can make themself feel like they are someone important in ths hobby using tis method of attack.

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RE: bv packs it in ? - 5/16/2008 9:28:35 PM   
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