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RE: QUESTION - Flying near an AMA field? - 5/22/2008 6:02:44 PM   
RTice


 

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Status: online 		Hi Bedford. Could you point me to the county policy? I certainly didn't see it listed on the county park website.

Also, the sign on the gate at Scobee states that you have to have a valid license to enter the gate to the runway/landing strip. I've been there many times.

Now, Scobee does include control line pads that are outside of the main fenced-in area...but I don't know if you can fly parkflyers in that field (I've never seen anyone else doing it).

If you could clarify some of your answers, that would be great.

Rob

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RE: QUESTION - Flying near an AMA field? - 5/22/2008 6:12:46 PM   
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RTice,

Maybe not completely clear above, but have no doubt: RC flying is NOT PERMITTED in Bush Park outside of Scobee Field. County policy.

Fly at Scobee. No membership required. It is open to the public. Besides, flying alone is a lot less fun.

Have fun!

Bedford

I may have missed it but I have never seen any such signage in the general park areas and it is not in the Park rules that I can see. http://www.hcp3.org/rules.htm

Can you provide a link to your source of info? More importantly how are others supposed to know about your rule… you know, those that haven't even heard of RCU, or beepee.

If Dad and son simply purchase a Wally world RC and decide to go to the park and fly their park flyer just what will stop them? I can only image the park ranger will throw them down and cuff them.


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RE: QUESTION - Flying near an AMA field? - 5/22/2008 6:35:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am inclined to agree with Littlecrank, if those are the stated park rules. Of course, the park rangers might feel it is understood that, since there is an RC area provided that that is where RC should be taken. I doubt they would cuff anyone ( I think they use tie wraps these days ). More likely a warning and a point to the RC area.

From a frequency control point of view, the issue of the uninformed person who shows up with a new plane and just turns on somewhere in some local park or field is an issue for all of us everywhere. Thank goodness 2.4 is finding its way into the low end market RTFs.

The rise of 2.4 GHz doesn't address park rules and public safety but at least it will reduce the chance of something going out of control.

Typically rangers will just inform you that you are in the wrong area. But if there is an RC park area available, why would you not want to fly there. Sounds like fun!

As an aside, I think I have flown at the Scobee field site when I was visiting my Sister in Arlington.

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RE: QUESTION - Flying near an AMA field? - 5/22/2008 9:03:17 PM   
RTice


 

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by aeajr - But if there is an RC park area available, why would you not want to fly there. Sounds like fun!


You have to be a badged member to fly there (or enter the gates) and it seems silly to fly a $75 hobbico skyfly...or Air Hogs plane...or Slo-V in an area where $1000 jets are waiting on you to stop "fooling around" so they can do some serious RC'ing

Correct aeajr and littlecrank, I don't see it in the rules of the park. And if you click on the two additional links below, you'll see that Scobee park is not open to the public...at least not without an AMA badge/license...and insurance. I think that rules out 99.9% of the public.

http://www.pct3.hctx.net/rules.htm

http://www.pct3.hctx.net/PGeorge/Images/FreeFlight.jpg

http://www.pct3.hctx.net/PGeorge/Images/ControlLine.jpg


I think we ruled out frequency interference and visual interference in the posts above, but we haven't ruled out park safety for the soccer moms and frisbee throwers. Of course, I would steer clear of launching anywhere near other folks anyway. So the one unanswered question is park rules. I will contact the parks dept directly to clear that up. I want to make sure I word my question appropriately so that I get a rule or a fact, and not just someone's opinion (at the park office).

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RE: QUESTION - Flying near an AMA field? - 5/22/2008 9:24:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: littlecrankshaf


quote:

ORIGINAL: beepee

RTice,

Maybe not completely clear above, but have no doubt: RC flying is NOT PERMITTED in Bush Park outside of Scobee Field. County policy.

Fly at Scobee. No membership required. It is open to the public. Besides, flying alone is a lot less fun.

Have fun!

Bedford

I may have missed it but I have never seen any such signage in the general park areas and it is not in the Park rules that I can see. http://www.hcp3.org/rules.htm

Can you provide a link to your source of info? More importantly how are others supposed to know about your rule… you know, those that haven't even heard of RCU, or beepee.

If Dad and son simply purchase a Wally world RC and decide to go to the park and fly their park flyer just what will stop them? I can only image the park ranger will throw them down and cuff them.



LCS-

Just take my word for it, beepee is wrong. There is no county policy that prohibits RC flying in Bush Park outside of Scobee Field.

RTice-

You may quote me on that to anyone that questions your right to fly there. You may tell them you have obtained my explicit permission to do so.

God........er........Abel

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RE: QUESTION - Flying near an AMA field? - 5/22/2008 9:35:12 PM   
RTice


 

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Status: online 		Abel, if they recognize your name immediately, then I think I will be okay. If not, I'm gonna have a strange look on my face, and then smile and say I was only kidding...don't arrest me.

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RE: QUESTION - Flying near an AMA field? - 5/22/2008 10:00:41 PM   
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For all you know-it-alls about public policy wherever, let me say one thing and maybe another then another....

Bedford is one of the real workers that has helped keep things in place like the site itself at Scobee. It's a very few like him that bust their butts to keep Harris County from ridding themselves of what to the non-productive day worker segment, is just a pain-in- their-side. Bedford, et. al. have a club which is responsible for the social order, like AMA membership, at Scobee, yet they have no authority to control anything.

Harris County (Houston, TX ) is rather like Cook County (Chicago, IL) where long-time-policies are formatted whenever and however they may be needed to fit whatever the situation may demand at any given moment.

One item that seems to always go unattended in these "all fer me, me too, it's all about me BS personalities" is that when one small problem arises it can easily rise up to major proportions when an established bureauracy wishes to rid itself of some minor voter-number item that can easily be removed from existence.

Is that what you want? Is it so difficult to help promote some small order of compliance and positive order to help keep a very good thing for so many (relatively speaking in modeler numbers) people that do use a great facility? Go out there close to the dog-walking and see what happens when Ms. Diamonds and Jewels little peanut dog gets scared and whimpers. See what happens when that PF scoots around a tree and scares some already skittish horse with maybe a youngster or even Ol' lady Lotta Diamonds sitting top-side. Shot will happen.

The Bayou City Fliers gets another mark citing their inability to maintain modeling order as they are charged to do. Then look in the mirrior and see just who helped when the field gets shut down. Regardless, whether just a note or such, if you cause a problem with the local bureaucrats, you won't win friends at the field.

Come on folks, lay whatever on AMA, but don't screw up the local flying facilities.

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RE: QUESTION - Flying near an AMA field? - 5/22/2008 11:14:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Seems like the only issue is AMA membership.

AMA could extend FREE membership to park flyers or: How about not requiring AMA at all for small electric park flyers that wish to fly their plane on public parks that have AMA flying fields.

It seems that some of us just can't get our arms around the fact that not everyone that purchases a plane at Wally World wants to pay to join the AMA.

The AMA could extend free membership by enclosing a card in the box that the purchaser just fills out and sends in. No dues and no magazine and minimal insurance for free. Just think of all the members the AMA could claim to represent.

Does the AMA really want more members or not? Younger members are the likely purchasers or recipients of these planes and the AMA is always bemoaning the lack of younger members. Here is an opportunity!

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RE: QUESTION - Flying near an AMA field? - 5/23/2008 12:33:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: 2fast

Seems like the only issue is AMA membership.

AMA could extend FREE membership to park flyers or: How about not requiring AMA at all for small electric park flyers that wish to fly their plane on public parks that have AMA flying fields.

It seems that some of us just can't get our arms around the fact that not everyone that purchases a plane at Wally World wants to pay to join the AMA.

The AMA could extend free membership by enclosing a card in the box that the purchaser just fills out and sends in. No dues and no magazine and minimal insurance for free. Just think of all the members the AMA could claim to represent.

Does the AMA really want more members or not? Younger members are the likely purchasers or recipients of these planes and the AMA is always bemoaning the lack of younger members. Here is an opportunity!


Excellent point!

Public flying fields open to ...err...well…ah…the public is an awesome idea. Just thinking of how the hobby might grow via real promotion such as that is awesome thought. Maybe someone ought to try it and see what happens. The AMA could even have special rewards and incentives for clubs that spearhead flying fields for the public to use. Most clubs could easily allow typical park flyers at least some access if they truly wished to promote the hobby. There is nothing in the AMA that prohibits it…it is up to the clubs…but I guess most do not know they have the option or are reluctant for a myriad of errant self-serving reasons.


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RE: QUESTION - Flying near an AMA field? - 5/23/2008 1:52:21 AM   
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ORIGINAL: 2fast

Seems like the only issue is AMA membership.

AMA could extend FREE membership to park flyers or: How about not requiring AMA at all for small electric park flyers that wish to fly their plane on public parks that have AMA flying fields.
It seems that some of us just can't get our arms around the fact that not everyone that purchases a plane at Wally World wants to pay to join the AMA.

The AMA could extend free membership by enclosing a card in the box that the purchaser just fills out and sends in. No dues and no magazine and minimal insurance for free. Just think of all the members the AMA could claim to represent.

Does the AMA really want more members or not? Younger members are the likely purchasers or recipients of these planes and the AMA is always bemoaning the lack of younger members. Here is an opportunity!


I find it so odd that people think AMA has flying fields. The only flying field controlled by AMA is the one around the HQ area. There are no other fields anywhere else in the United States that are controlled by the AMA.

Free membership for parkflyer pilots? Sounds good! So who is going to pay the costs to have those parflyer pilots be members of AMA? How about we send the bill to you?

If you don't want to have to join the AMA to fly at a municipal field, talk the local government officals. The AMA doesn't require you to join to fly there. The local government officals require you to join the AMA to fly there.

I suppose you think that Allstate insurance requires you to have insurance on your car in order to drive. NOT! Your state government requires you to have insurance in order to drive a car.

Anyone under 19 can join the AMA for $1. That is about as close to free as you are going to get.


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RE: QUESTION - Flying near an AMA field? - 5/23/2008 2:37:11 AM   
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RE: QUESTION - Flying near an AMA field? - 5/23/2008 2:58:36 AM   
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just like the state doesn't require alstate ins to drive, just some minimum amount of coverage from any provider, and that is the failing of the "must have AMA ins" municipal sites. if ya got the level of coverage that is deemed "minimum required", it shouldn't matter who supplies it for you.

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RE: QUESTION - Flying near an AMA field? - 5/23/2008 3:52:39 AM   
aeajr



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Status: offline 		I agree. So go to them, tell them you have the coverage required and see if they will let you go with that.

I think they go with the AMA coverage because it is a nationally recognized organization that charters clubs. AMA sets standards and guidelines. Agencies like that kind of thing, so they figure if they require that, they will be covered.

In many cases they depend on the local club to supervise the field. It is an AMA chartered club, so that creates the AMA requirement. That is how it is at our field. The club supervises the county field. This relieves the county from having to put people there to do it.

There are benefits to the local governments that make this an attractive package.

I suppose if you wanted to start your own club, get some other kind of coverage and agree to supervise the field, you could make some kind of arrangement.

People only look at things from their personal point of view and ignore the other people and agencies involved. The AMA makes it easy for the local governments. They like easy.

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RE: QUESTION - Flying near an AMA field? - 5/23/2008 4:02:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Hossfly

ATTA' BOY, GoX, er Abel or whatever.

For all you know-it-alls about public policy wherever, let me say one thing and maybe another then another....

Bedford is one of the real workers that has helped keep things in place like the site itself at Scobee. It's a very few like him that bust their butts to keep Harris County from ridding themselves of what to the non-productive day worker segment, is just a pain-in- their-side. Bedford, et. al. have a club which is responsible for the social order, like AMA membership, at Scobee, yet they have no authority to control anything.


Hoss-

If Bedford has as much sweat equity in protecting his club's rights to use/control of the Scobee site, he ought to be able to come up with something more specific than the 2-word sentence 'County policy.' when warning off somebody from flying elsewhere in Bush Park. He might as well have said 'Divine right,' and I suppose it possible that a belief in that concept on the part of his club may be closer to reality.

Abel




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RE: QUESTION - Flying near an AMA field? - 5/23/2008 4:34:14 AM   
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