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RE: QUESTION - Flying near an AMA field? - 5/25/2008 3:43:49 PM   
aeajr



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Status: offline 		The AMA park pilot program does not and can not give anyone permission to fly anywhere as the AMA has no such authority to grant, except at the national flying site in Indiana.

RTice,

I am confused. What are you talking about in terms of park pilot programs within a 50 mile radius?

Are you refering to Park Pilot Partners? PPPs are people who have volunterred to help new Park Pilot Program members who may not have a club affiliation but would like some help. I am a Park Pilot Partner

The Academy of Model Aeronautics is establishing a newcomer help system for those who are just getting started in this sport and may need assistance. It will be referred to as the Park Pilot Partner program.

In order to assemble the necessary resources to accommodate such a service we are asking our members to step up and make themselves available via E-mail to answer questions generated from these new participants. This is an opportunity to share your expertise with those who may need your assistance.

Those who are interested must be current adult AMA members willing to share their E-mail address. Those addresses will be posted on the AMA Web site in the "Members Only" section and searchable by geographical area to provide efficient and effective assistance.


Here is the link for the park pilot program. If you are thinking of something else, maybe you can point out what you reference.
http://www.modelaircraft.org/parkflyer.aspx

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RE: QUESTION - Flying near an AMA field? - 5/25/2008 6:08:47 PM   
RTice


 

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Status: offline 		Hi Ed: Yes, I am referring to the Park Pilot Partners. Thank you for clearing that up.

So my understanding is that a Park Pilot membership does not give you permission to fly at any AMA field...
The following "clauses" are not attractive to me.

Rob


"As a Park Pilot Member, flying may or may not be restricted to just the NEW fields approved only for Park Pilot members (that decision is left to existing Open clubs)"

and

"A Park Flyer site can be either an outdoor or an indoor venue. When flying at sites specifically designed for Park Flyers, the pilot will keep the model within the established flight boundaries of the field."

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RE: QUESTION - Flying near an AMA field? - 5/25/2008 6:54:59 PM   
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i probably should have made it a little more clear that the situation i was describing occurred in midland. it was sorta a side track to your thread and problem.

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RE: QUESTION - Flying near an AMA field? - 5/25/2008 8:19:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Mongo: Thank you. Could you clarify? Are you saying that in your experience in Midland, that the park office agreed that you could fly your parkflyer in basically any area of the park? Any additional clarification and specifics may be helpful to myself and others.
Rob

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RE: QUESTION - Flying near an AMA field? - 5/25/2008 8:30:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		the only field I have ever flow at was Scobee Field.

It truly is a great facility, and Bayou City Fliers have done a great time maintaing it.

While it is true you don't have to be member of BCF to fly there, BCF is the controling entity as far as safety goes. They have the right to ban someone as per the agreements between the club and Harris County. This is part of the safety requiremnets developed between the county and the club.

Now when it comes to park fliers, I am not sure what control they have outside the gate, and I don't think the control line pads fall under BCF, but I could be wrong there. I do know there have been more than one time I was flying, and someone showed up to fly a park flier just outside the fence. Each time it made me nervous enough to pack up and go home. I just did not like the idea of flying or being are others flying with someone else not participating in the frequency control.

Membership in AMA is cheap enough to suggest you buy the AMA and meet some new friends.

Aside from that, there are plenty of other parks to fly in not close to Scobee.

Even if you are not using 72Mhz, the thought of you possibly being on 72Mhz is enough to make me nervous while flying.

As an aside, I have been flying a Trex 450 in my backyard and street, and plan to get a small float plane to fly in the lake at my community. I doubt anybody will care. You might look into similar flying sites close to home.

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RE: QUESTION - Flying near an AMA field? - 5/25/2008 11:55:13 PM   
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gotta use normal common sense kinda things. if someone else is already using the area for something else, either wait for em to finish or find another area or park to fly at, that kinda thing
they, the parks people, went so far as to not require any insurance other than that which the city already has in place to protect itself, as long as we are not an "organized group". they treat us like they do some young folks having "pick up" basketball games or baseball games on the facilities. now, if we were to organize and and have events, like the baseball , socker, basketball, crickett, and softball team folks do, we would have to pay lease on the area we use and provide insurance to 10 mill liability, some level of medical coverages and other stuff, just like the sports ascns do.

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RE: QUESTION - Flying near an AMA field? - 5/26/2008 2:12:09 AM   
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Hi Ed: Yes, I am referring to the Park Pilot Partners. Thank you for clearing that up.

So my understanding is that a Park Pilot membership does not give you permission to fly at any AMA field...
The following "clauses" are not attractive to me.

Rob



Neither AMA Park Pilot membership or full AMA membership give you permission to fly anywhere. Even if the field is controlled by an AMA club, that does not automatically give you permission to fly there.

For example, where I live, the County requires you to have a County permit to fly on one of the County fields. In order to get the permit, you have to be an AMA member. And all the fields are controlled by AMA chartered clubs. But it is the County that grants permision to fly, not the AMA and not the clubs.

Most AMA clubs will require AMA membershp to fly there as that is usually a condition that the land lord has imposed. But being an AMA member does not Gurantee you permission to fly there. There may be restrictions on the types of planes that are flown, or the field may only be for member use, or other factors. However, typically, if you don't have an AMA card, don't even ask.

When I travel I NEVER just show up at a field and assume I will be able to fly there. That would be rude. I call or e-mail an officer of the club to ask about local rules and if I can get permission to fly.

If you want to fly in an AMA sanctioned event you need a FULL AMA membership. Park Pilot membership does ont qualify.

So, just as having a driver's license does not automatically give you a car, having an AMA membership does not gurantee you the right to fly anywhere. However if you don't have a driver's license they may choose not to sell you the car. And if you don't have an AMA membership, you probably won't be able to fly at an AMA chartered club field.



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RE: QUESTION - Flying near an AMA field? - 5/26/2008 2:55:48 AM   
RTice


 

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Status: offline 		Right. So getting a Park Pilot membership with AMA COULD put me in the following situation:

1) Ooops, you can't fly at GB Park since the county/AMA/Club/Scobee field doesn't have any park pilot designated fields there
2) Ooops #2, you can't fly on the regular Scobee site since we don't allow park flyers
3) Ooops #3, if you break the AMA rules by flying near an AMA site, we yank your membership/fine you/suspend you/etc

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RE: QUESTION - Flying near an AMA field? - 5/26/2008 3:17:19 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: aeajr

quote:

ORIGINAL: RTice

Hi Ed: Yes, I am referring to the Park Pilot Partners. Thank you for clearing that up.

So my understanding is that a Park Pilot membership does not give you permission to fly at any AMA field...
The following "clauses" are not attractive to me.

Rob



Neither AMA Park Pilot membership or full AMA membership give you permission to fly anywhere. Even if the field is controlled by an AMA club, that does not automatically give you permission to fly there.

For example, where I live, the County requires you to have a County permit to fly on one of the County fields. In order to get the permit, you have to be an AMA member. And all the fields are controlled by AMA chartered clubs. But it is the County that grants permision to fly, not the AMA and not the clubs.

Most AMA clubs will require AMA membershp to fly there as that is usually a condition that the land lord has imposed. But being an AMA member does not Gurantee you permission to fly there. There may be restrictions on the types of planes that are flown, or the field may only be for member use, or other factors. However, typically, if you don't have an AMA card, don't even ask.

When I travel I NEVER just show up at a field and assume I will be able to fly there. That would be rude. I call or e-mail an officer of the club to ask about local rules and if I can get permission to fly.

If you want to fly in an AMA sanctioned event you need a FULL AMA membership. Park Pilot membership does ont qualify.

So, just as having a driver's license does not automatically give you a car, having an AMA membership does not gurantee you the right to fly anywhere. However if you don't have a driver's license they may choose not to sell you the car. And if you don't have an AMA membership, you probably won't be able to fly at an AMA chartered club field.



This dissertation is proof positive that more modeling organizations should be a priority for us. It is only reasonable to consider that more choices would be a positive thing. But of course, many will argue the point and vehemently reject the premise.

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RE: QUESTION - Flying near an AMA field? - 5/26/2008 4:38:50 AM   
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RE: QUESTION - Flying near an AMA field? - 5/26/2008 4:54:06 AM   
aeajr



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Right. So getting a Park Pilot membership with AMA COULD put me in the following situation:

1) Ooops, you can't fly at GB Park since the county/AMA/Club/Scobee field doesn't have any park pilot designated fields there
2) Ooops #2, you can't fly on the regular Scobee site since we don't allow park flyers
3) Ooops #3, if you break the AMA rules by flying near an AMA site, we yank your membership/fine you/suspend you/etc


1 is possible, but it is not necessary to have a park pilot field to fly with a Park Pilot membership

2 is possible, but speculating about it is stupid. Just ask.

3 - The only reason the AMA would care if you fly near an AMA site would be if you were creating a possible channel conflict. However if you are flying on 2.4 GHz, then there is no channel conflict. The AMA will not care where you fly.

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RE: QUESTION - Flying near an AMA field? - 5/26/2008 4:57:48 AM   
RTice


 

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I am cutting to the chase, RTice are you trolling ???


LOL. Um, I guess not...since I don't know what that means. Alterior motives? No, sir.

I'd like to fly in other areas of the public park. Just trying to find out what the law or rules are. I never heard back from the BC Flyer's president...and waiting to hear from the park office.

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RE: QUESTION - Flying near an AMA field? - 5/26/2008 5:07:58 AM   
aeajr



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I am cutting to the chase, RTice are you trolling ???


LOL. Um, I guess not...since I don't know what that means. Alterior motives? No, sir.

I'd like to fly in other areas of the public park. Just trying to find out what the law or rules are. I never heard back from the BC Flyer's president...and waiting to hear from the park office.

If you are on 2.4 GHz, go fly. The worst they will happen is you hit someone and they arrest you.

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RE: QUESTION - Flying near an AMA field? - 5/26/2008 5:24:42 AM   
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If you are on 2.4 GHz, go fly. The worst they will happen is you hit someone and they arrest you.

That ought to scare him enough to join the AMA... LOL

Remember 1-800-I-Fly-AMA or don’t Fly! LOL

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RE: QUESTION - Flying near an AMA field? - 5/26/2008 6:02:59 AM   
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Status: online 		I was just wondering? Since you are not a resident of Harris County but a resident of Ft Bend County and Bush Park is located in Harris County and there sure is alot of open space especially west of your home why are you so attracted to a park that is not even located in your county? And I often fly my park flyer in the church parking lot on 2.4 ghz with the church's blessing as well.

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