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should I grab this plane? - 5/19/2008 3:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		ok. Had a good first run with flying. My first ever flights were in a PNP piper cub from hanger 9. My instructor wanted to buddy up but I refused. I watched him fly then took the controls. I took off made a few approaches and landed ( in a hurricane as he says) 25 or so touch and goes later he had the camera out because he couldn't believe what he was seeing. Got my wings after 2 hours of flying. Day two. Same deal but on takoff #3 caught a major gust turning down wind. Couldn't recover from my roll. Oh well there goes my 350 dollar trainer. Anyway my buddy says I'm good enough to fly anything and offered me a kyosho 60 corsair for 250 with Robert air retracts just needs a recieve. What do you guys think?

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RE: should I grab this plane? - 5/19/2008 3:34 PM   
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Even though you may think you know what your doing and it seems easy, I'd stick with something a little more down scaled that will fly a little better. Warbirds are a differnt bread and not as forgiving on landings.


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RE: should I grab this plane? - 5/19/2008 3:37 PM   
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My instructor wanted to buddy up but I refused.

Anyway my buddy says I'm good enough to fly anything and offered me a kyosho 60 corsair for 250 with Robert air retracts just needs a recieve. What do you guys think?

Pete


I think you need to slow down a bit. I would think twice before "refusing" the help of an instructor.

Also, I dont think your ready to handle anything. You only have a couple of hours on a trainer... that you crashed. You need a lot of flying time before going to the warbird.

I would say go back to the trainer... and the instructor and spend some time getting more comfortable flying, even in wind.


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RE: should I grab this plane? - 5/19/2008 4:00 PM   
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ok. Had a good first run with flying. My first ever flights were in a PNP piper cub from hanger 9. My instructor wanted to buddy up but I refused. I watched him fly then took the controls. I took off made a few approaches and landed ( in a hurricane as he says) 25 or so touch and goes later he had the camera out because he couldn't believe what he was seeing. Got my wings after 2 hours of flying. Day two. Same deal but on takoff #3 caught a major gust turning down wind. Couldn't recover from my roll. Oh well there goes my 350 dollar trainer. Anyway my buddy says I'm good enough to fly anything and offered me a kyosho 60 corsair for 250 with Robert air retracts just needs a recieve. What do you guys think?

Pete

You declined the instructor's help, why would you want input on this decision?

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RE: should I grab this plane? - 5/19/2008 4:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		from what I understand and have been told the PNP cub I'd not a trainer. Not even close. The guys said its one of the hardest planes to land in the wind. What do you think of the warbird deal. I really like it.

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RE: should I grab this plane? - 5/19/2008 4:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		My instructor said " I fly better than most of the club members" I have a video of the first day I will eventually post. Not bragging, just stating the facts.

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RE: should I grab this plane? - 5/19/2008 4:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		ummm, the term "positive reinforcement" comes to mind. i have to agree with scar's comment, but at the end of the day in responce to your question, it sounds like an ok deal.

are you ready, probably not. is it a good deal, probably.

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RE: should I grab this plane? - 5/19/2008 4:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'd have to agree with everybody else in this thread. You spent 2 days flying, and crashed because of a gust of wind. The Cub is easy to fly....level, and requires a bit of experience to make a coordinated turn, land, or even takeoff. I've got one of the H9 Cubs, and it's a challenge, especially in the wind.

Were I you - I'd get a trainer, and play with it for a while. On those days when it's 15 mph winds - I'd still take it to the air, and learn to control a plane in the wind. As for the corsair - it's a good deal, but to buy it and turn around and fly it, with as little experience as you have - I wouldn't. Perhaps - get a trainer, and the Corsair - and leave the Corsair in the garage for a couple weeks/months until you get enough experience. Even then - I'd still have an instructor to takeoff and land it.

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RE: should I grab this plane? - 5/19/2008 5:06 PM   
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Status: online 		I just wanted to subscribe to hear what happens afterward. Sounds like you're gonna do it anyway. I had a student like you once. Soloed pretty fast then went straight to warbirds. Lost it on landing, stalled too high and trashed the plane. Only then did he follow my advice and go to a ugly stick.
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RE: should I grab this plane? - 5/19/2008 5:25 PM   
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ok. Had a good first run with flying. My first ever flights were in a PNP piper cub from hanger 9. My instructor wanted to buddy up but I refused. I watched him fly then took the controls. I took off made a few approaches and landed ( in a hurricane as he says) 25 or so touch and goes later he had the camera out because he couldn't believe what he was seeing. Got my wings after 2 hours of flying. Day two. Same deal but on takoff #3 caught a major gust turning down wind. Couldn't recover from my roll. Oh well there goes my 350 dollar trainer. Anyway my buddy says I'm good enough to fly anything and offered me a kyosho 60 corsair for 250 with Robert air retracts just needs a recieve. What do you guys think?
Pete


Looks like day two shows you are not ready “to fly anything”. I’m a certified instructor and most of the students think they are ready when they are not. You are NOT a pilot when you can take off fly a circle and land. There is more to it, like a recover. If nobody teaches you that, you will learn with time and many airplanes - which you WILL (unnecessarily) crash!

Like your earlier post here…

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ORIGINAL: Pete737
just a quickie here. I have an airtronics RDS8000 2.4 TX. I have an RTF H-9 150 P-47 that I do not feel confident to fly yet. What can I get in the air for around 300 bucks (give or take) to get some time on. Prefferebly by this Sunday! ;0)
Thanks. Pete.


…shows your are in a hurry. The first goal in this hobby is safety. In a hurry you can and will forget the basic principles.
Go ahead and buy the Corsair, she will roll faster on you then you think. Just do me/us a favor and don’t come back and post on RCU this airplane flies like ($#!+).




If you want really advice, get a good trainer and fly the wings off that plane. An Avistar is a good plane. You just straight the wings and the aircraft is faster and makes nice aerobatics. When you get really bored with the trainer – think about a different aircraft.

BTW: you mentioned earlier you had a Hangar 9 P-47 1.50, if you still loosing Cubs you long time not ready for that bird – promise!

Happy landing
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RE: should I grab this plane? - 5/19/2008 6:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well. I know what I did wrong with the cub. It won't happen again. I'm gonna buy the corsair. I'll let you know how I make out. I'll be flying it this Sunday. The cub was very hard to fly in the wind by the way. It required a great many
recoverys when it rolled inverted on its own. I flew it too slow on a touch and go turned downwind and lost too much airspeed to recover. By instructor said just the fact that I was making very coordinated approaches using all rudder and opposite aileron and greasing them one after another ( 25 touch and goes) in gusting winds is amazing. Did some loops and rolls up high too, just like the sim actually i dont see what is so hard. I wouldnt say that is positive reinforcement I think he was being honest. I think I am ready for any plane and the guys agree. Keep in mind when I flew my first heli (r-50 nitro) I was nose in and flying coordinated circuits by my third tank. A heli veteran of 10 years told me I was the most gifted pilot he had ever met.

Again not bragging. I just dont like when people doubt my skills who have never seen me fly before. I'm actually a very humble person

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RE: should I grab this plane? - 5/19/2008 6:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		So why ask what we think?

Numerous guys have told you and you ignore our advise.

This happens all the time...

Guys, lets not feed the troll


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RE: should I grab this plane? - 5/19/2008 6:54 PM   
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Alright Pete737 good luck....

Happy landings
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RE: should I grab this plane? - 5/19/2008 6:56 PM   
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RE: should I grab this plane? - 5/19/2008 7:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Gringo Flyer

So why ask what we think?

Numerous guys have told you and you ignore our advise.

This happens all the time...

Guys, lets not feed the troll


With all do respect sir I believe the only thing I asked was whether or not the corsair was worth the money.
Thanks for all your thoughts. Even if I dont agree with all of them.

Respectfully. Pete.


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RE: should I grab this plane? - 5/19/2008 7:32 PM   
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http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_4282444/anchors_4282444/mpage_1/key_/anchor/tm.htm#4282444

So, you maiden the H9 P-47 allright????

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_7402584/anchors_7406333/mpage_1/key_/anchor/tm.htm#7406333

more and more I have to scratch my head…

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_7439655/anchors_7439655/mpage_1/key_/anchor/tm.htm#7439655

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RE: should I grab this plane? - 5/19/2008 7:35 PM   
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RE: should I grab this plane? - 5/19/2008 7:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is from one of the 2006 post where we were trying to scare you out of planes.

"Forget the trainers, I wanna jump right in! Im very interseted in giant scale EDF airliners with potential for turbine conversion."

A newbie with a giant scale airliner..... thats enough to scare me out of planes.


Nobody is trying to rain on your parade... we are just speaking from experience.

Its important to fly safe.

And the corsair is definitely worth the money... its a good buy


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RE: should I grab this plane? - 5/19/2008 8:39 PM   
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Oh well there goes my 350 dollar trainer.


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kyosho 60 corsair for 250 with Robert air retracts


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RE: should I grab this plane? - 5/19/2008 9:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		If you can fly the cub, you can probably fly the corsair OK.

Landings however, may be a different matter altogether. The corsair has rotating retracts,
which are notoriously weak. Non-rotating retracts are much easier to break than fixed landing
gear such as on your cub, but rotating retracts are even worse. Unless you can land it supremely
smoothly every time, you will regularly break retracts and their mounting blocks in the wings
(expensive & timely repairs, usually ugly scars too). For that reason, most warbird newbies start
with aircraft that have non-rotating retracts (such as P-51s and Spitfires).

The corsair is fundamentally different than a cub in many ways. But the most significant is that the
cub has all of the weight hanging below the wing, making it very stable. Because the corsair's wings
are inverse gull-wings, the aircraft's mass is sitting WAY above the wings, making it inherently unstable.

It's a good deal, and I think you would be wise to jump on it. If you're dying to fly it, i'd recommend
meeting with someone at your club who flies lots of warbirds. Let him handle the take-offs and landings,
and you can fly it. Meanwhile, get yourself a good low-wing aircraft, like a sig 4-star, so you can practice
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RE: should I grab this plane? - 5/19/2008 10:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		This thread is good one. I have the answer though that you all already know it, if Pete737 was confident in his skills he'd just ask if it was good deal not list his prodigy type flying report (just the facts and not being sarcastic). Pete is fishing for the wrong advice. He deep down is worried about flying that little corsair, or else he would never of supplied all that info. He wants someone to pat him on the back and give him advice he's pretty sure is wrong but wants to talk himself in to. So I say go for the corsair and post a video of you flying it on the maiden so we can see your raw flying talent (just a fact and not being sarcastic). You could cheat and have some else fly and we would never know. But you should be honest it will be more fun for all of us that way. I will tell you in advance that this no win for you here because even if you do well I just come back and tell you its a small .46 sized corsair with low wing loading and not that hard to fly, even easier that cub (is that really true?), not a true "heavy metal" warbird...if you don't do well....you know the rest......we say: told you so.



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RE: should I grab this plane? - 5/19/2008 11:07 PM   
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This thread is good one. I have the answer though that you all already know it, if Pete737 was confident in his skills he'd just ask if it was good deal not list his prodigy type flying report (just the facts and not being sarcastic). Pete is fishing for the wrong advice. He deep down is worried about flying that little corsair, or else he would never of supplied all that info. He wants someone to pat him on the back and give him advice he's pretty sure is wrong but wants to talk himself in to. So I say go for the corsair and post a video of you flying it on the maiden so we can see your raw flying talent (just a fact and not being sarcastic). You could cheat and have some else fly and we would never know. But you should be honest it will be more fun for all of us that way. I will tell you in advance that this no win for you here because even if you do well I just come back and tell you its a small .46 sized corsair with low wing loading and not that hard to fly, even easier that cub (is that really true?), not a true "heavy metal" warbird...if you don't do well....you know the rest......we say: told you so.




Thank you for your profound insight. Very generous of you letting everyone know how I truly feel [8/|]

I will post a video of my corsair maiden. I will try to post a vid of my cub flying today.

Again thanks for all your comments. Again, I can appreciate the thoughts of more experienced pilots.. Even if I dont agree with them.

Respectfully. Pete.

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RE: should I grab this plane? - 5/19/2008 11:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		The only planes I really care to fly are warbirds. Didn't want to waste my scarce flying time on a boring trainer. Picked up some cheap used warbirds. I too jumped in and didn't heed some good advice. Crashed a Top Flite P-40, twice, and a Corsair. Believe me, you are NOT humble. If you are as good as you say you are, why stop with a little corsair. Go for one of the giant scale planes with all the bells and whistles. Airworld has a few good ones. I've seen many nice used planes listed for only about $3000 or so. Put one of those up without any help in a nice crosswind a few times and keep it one piece and I'll be the first one to congratulate you on your prodigious flying skills. Good luck with your Corsair.

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RE: should I grab this plane? - 5/20/2008 12:03 AM   
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ok. Had a good first run with flying. My first ever flights were in a PNP piper cub from hanger 9. My instructor wanted to buddy up but I refused. I watched him fly then took the controls. I took off made a few approaches and landed ( in a hurricane as he says) 25 or so touch and goes later he had the camera out because he couldn't believe what he was seeing. Got my wings after 2 hours of flying. Day two. Same deal but on takoff #3 caught a major gust turning down wind. Couldn't recover from my roll. Oh well there goes my 350 dollar trainer. Anyway my buddy says I'm good enough to fly anything and offered me a kyosho 60 corsair for 250 with Robert air retracts just needs a recieve. What do you guys think?

Pete

Don't ask for advice if you don't want to hear it.
With your attitude I think you got what you deserve.
You are about to waste a lot more money than you did on day two.
I just hope you don't injure some innocent bystander with your 2 days of expert experience.
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RE: should I grab this plane? - 5/20/2008 1:02 AM   
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ok. Had a good first run with flying. My first ever flights were in a PNP piper cub from hanger 9. My instructor wanted to buddy up but I refused. I watched him fly then took the controls. I took off made a few approaches and landed ( in a hurricane as he says) 25 or so touch and goes later he had the camera out because he couldn't believe what he was seeing. Got my wings after 2 hours of flying. Day two. Same deal but on takoff #3 caught a major gust turning down wind. Couldn't recover from my roll. Oh well there goes my 350 dollar trainer. Anyway my buddy says I'm good enough to fly anything and offered me a kyosho 60 corsair for 250 with Robert air retracts just needs a recieve. What do you guys think?

Pete

Don't ask for advice if you don't want to hear it.
With your attitude I think you got what you deserve.
You are about to waste a lot more money than you did on day two.
I just hope you don't injure some innocent bystander with your 2 days of expert experience.
Good luck..........................


Are you serious?

Again, I didn't ask for any advise other than whether or not the Corsair was a good buy.

Injure an innocent bystander? Now why would you insult me like that?

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