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RE: Heli stuff and fellowship - 3/16/2012 1:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hey everybody. I recently installed a 3GX system on myTrex450pro. This unit was given to me by a great friend. He had trouble getting it to work on his Gaui 425. Now I use the Beastx systm on my other helis and love them. I flew the 3gx in my heli and I was very pleased with the results. It was actually flawless in my opinion. I have read a lot of negative things about all units available including the so called great Vbar and I believe the problem is the person installing it taking short cuts and not setting the helis up properly. Folks seem to not understand that the FBL systems are not autopilots. Hey you still have to actually fly it. Anyway, The 3gx is a nice unit and I will keep it on my 450pro with great pride. Don't believe all the negative comments you read on virtualy every product known to man till you can see for yourself. Thanks Align for a nice product. Oh by the way there is a new firmware for the 3GX and I will download it tonight and see how well the new software flys. Keep in mind that everytime you change you firmware you must Go through the FBL setup again.

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RE: Heli stuff and fellowship - 3/18/2012 7:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		well hello folks!

it's almost like real family: everyone's growing up and have their own things to concentrate on! ha ha ha ha!

i do hope everyone in our little family here is well and have more luck with their weather than i am here in Deutschland!

this last week has been so incredibly ideal for flying, every day i thought to myself, "...should i take a sicky?...."! wretchedly i didn't and was good, waiting for the weekend! got up at the ridiculous time for a Saturday of 0730hrs to go and fly with my friend Paul as he's moved and found a proper club near to his new address! arranged to be at his for 1000hrs and sure as eggs is flowery tomato things, the wind picked straight up from 0 to 20 mph!!! arrrrrrrrrrrrgggghhh! we went out there anyway (after Paul did some final fiddling to his planes and i got his little Gaui 200 flying properly) and it was blowing a hooley! Paul got his foam boat plane flying once, which will actually take off from the grass!! we stayed and chatted with the guy he's got friendly with at the club (Paul speaks pretty good German so is handy to have around) this guy apparently has a very large garage filled with RC planes, boats and cars with a couple of helis thrown in for good measure! he's retired and that's all he does is fiddle with RC stuff all day, oh in between the jaunts off to the Alps to go skiing!!! hard life!!??!!! mind you, the amount of tax the German's get charged on their earnings, you would hope they have a very comfortable retirement package!!

i didn't get to fly because it was way too windy for the B400 and also i don't have any proof of insurance over here from my BMFA membership. it was a good day nontheless, watching lunatics flying the likes of indoor foam slow-fliers in winds that would make you consider whether you really need to go out of the house!!!

i have just ordered a Scorpion LV90A Commander esc for the Apache project. still haven't heard back from Thunder Tiger about the gyro so will write again. i did contact Fast-Lad, whom i purchased it from but they haven't fitted it into anything yet but will let me know (i hope) what happens when they do! i am really determined to get the damned 3-axis gyro working, if not only for the fact it cost £150!!!!

everyone, be good and be well!!

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RE: Heli stuff and fellowship - 3/18/2012 7:16 PM   
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J.D. i have considered just saying bug'rit and getting one of the Spektrum/Beast X Rx's!



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RE: Heli stuff and fellowship - 3/19/2012 7:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, kind of an exciting day today. Spent most of the afternoon over at our local club presidents place setting up 3GX on a 500ESP. Ran into some snags running it on a DX6i but before it was dark we had a completely dialed in heli ready to rock. Then I wrote him a check and drove home with my new baby

He included a 6S battery and a 12V power supply at a good price. I need to get myself a nice charger and some batteries, open to suggestions on affordable brands to look at here. I've decided I'd like to go with 6S batteries for the sake of simplicity. To address the DX6i issue we had to run the 3GX unit into a normal receiver, so I'm borrowing a spektrum receiver from him until I replace it with something of my own. I was considering going with an Orange RX and satellite, some club members have said they never really had any issues using them and would go for it on a 500, curious if anyone here has experience with them. Also open to suggestions here, but with how much I just spent the price point on the Orange RXs is looking really attractive.

Here she is!

I did a very conservative first flight in the back yard after everything was set up. Kind of had the new model shakes so I just hovered and slid her around in some boxes and such, I CAN'T BELIEVE HOW MUCH BETTER THIS FEELS THAN THE BLADE 400. I mean, I've always understood how significant the difference would be, but after actually seeing this bird hands off hover for 10 seconds or more I'm completely blown away. Control inputs are so direct, no weird tendencies or quirks in the movement, it feels exactly like the simulator. I'd been assuming the helis flew too perfect in the sim to be true but it looks like I was mistaken!

Lot of feelings right now. Excited, nervous, slightly uneasy about spending that much money all at once on top of the deposit I had to pay on our new apartment...but I don't think I'll regret this at all. It's my first real heli!

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RE: Heli stuff and fellowship - 3/19/2012 2:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		Matty you would be better off going the beast route...I can support you then. By the way did you receive the logitech gyro we sent?

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RE: Heli stuff and fellowship - 3/19/2012 2:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Matty get the beastx. Then I can support you. Man this thread is almost impossible to post. This is my third attempt. It simply keeps "cooking" when you hit OK and comes back with an error. Matty did you get the Logitech gyro?

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RE: Heli stuff and fellowship - 3/19/2012 2:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		All you need are sat units with the 3gx.. DO NOT USE Orange RECEIVERS!!! You are taking a chance on a $1000 heli just to save a few bucks. You need to get that mentality out out of your system. We have the orange stuff crashing some nice airplanes in this area.


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RE: Heli stuff and fellowship - 3/19/2012 3:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		That's what I was wondering, this is the first I've heard of anyone actually having any problems or running into trouble with the Orange RXs. I was planning to read up and ask around before I made a move on it. While 70 dollars is a little more than "a few bucks," I hadn't planned on using one if I learned it was an unnecessary risk. All I know personally is that I havent had issues with one in an indoor foamie, but that's obviously an entirely different thing.

We had planned to just use satellites, but with my dx6i it was necessary to use a full receiver. There was an issue with how it utilized the channels such than my gyro gain channel could only control the governor function of the 3gx unit. There was no way to switch it into heading hold or adjust tail gyro settings from the radio without running it through the RX.

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RE: Heli stuff and fellowship - 3/19/2012 9:09 PM   
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All you need are sat units with the 3gx.. DO NOT USE Orange RECEIVERS!!! You are taking a chance on a $1000 heli just to save a few bucks. You need to get that mentality out out of your system. We have the orange stuff crashing some nice airplanes in this area.


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RE: Heli stuff and fellowship - 3/19/2012 9:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yesterday after alot of reviewing I picked up a mqx'!   I really like the way it flies I can do small figure eights in the living room!  I was very scared that it may not be agile but it flies very well. I also am adding a Hk 500 to my collection I wanted something that I could fly around the house and practice acrobatics. Hope everyone is well and is getting some nice weather finally!  - Sean

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RE: Heli stuff and fellowship - 3/20/2012 12:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		OK , Well, Just get a Spektrum 600 receiver.. Wow only 59 bucks Thats what I use on my 500esp. Still cheaper than 49 buck blades,$10 main shaft, a spindle broken landing gear, stripped servo gears. Hey this is only tuff love!!!

I actually had a whole day of flying. Great weather. Man I really missed a day off and time out at the field with an ice cold Coke and plenty of batteries.

Sean the MCPX is my little buddy and I fly it every day. I really get a kick out of it. You need to put a brushless motor on it to get the best 3ding out of it.

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RE: Heli stuff and fellowship - 3/22/2012 7:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Put my first flights on the 500 last night, scared the hell out of me! It feels like I've never flown a heli before and I'm just as nervous as I was on my first hover! It flies much better and easier than my other helis but it's just so big and expensive and new...hoping this will pass, I'm sure it will.

Despite my nerves I did some aggressive flips and low inverted hovering on the first pack. This thing is FAST on the cyclic!!! So smooth, so crisp. Very stable and good at staying where you put it. Once I work my nerve up for it and have more confidence and familiarity with it I have a feeling my skills will start advancing fairly quickly. I was doing nose down funnels on the second pack and continuous flips in all directions.

One problem I noticed after flying is that I hadn't set up my dual rates at all, was flying on 100% throws with 20% expo in low rates the whole time....Dialed my low rate settings back to 60,60,80 and 20,20,10 expo, hopefully that will make me a little more comfortable while getting used to the new model. My biggest issue was flying far away from myself, I wanted to fly up high and safe but in doing so I was losing orientation :/ It's possible it was mostly because I was flying right at sunset and it was kind of a sillhouette the whole time. This weekend we'll see how she looks in the daylight. I might be picking up a lighter/brighter custom canopy from somewhere for visibility/style.

I should mention that these first flights were something of a trial by fire in club flying! I was out at the field of the club I'm going to join next month and one of their scale fliers (really nice dude) was sharing the pattern with me! I was very nervous about staying away from him and keeping out of his way when he was landing, but it seemed to go well and noone was upset about anything. Still, I definitely prefer not to share the sky at this point haha

Flying a real heli feels so good!! No bad tendencies at all, all the heli does is what I tell it to. I did notice a TINY bit of back drift in hover like some have mentioned with the 3GX, but it seemed like it was only an issue when returning to hover from FFF or other maneuvers, and one or two taps of forward cyclic seemed to straighten it out for the duration of the hover. I had no problem holding her steady where I wanted her. I'm really looking forward to growing with this helicopter and pushing myself, one day maybe I'll be good enough for an amateur competition

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RE: Heli stuff and fellowship - 3/22/2012 8:49 PM   
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you have got to post a vid of your flying! it sounds like you've met your soul mate in the helicopter world!! ha ha!

i just got a very nice package from Fast-Lad which has my Scorpion commander esc for the Apache and among other things, a neat tool called The Jigs Up, which is a soldering jig to do pretty much any connection for the RC game! Oh, the ironic thing i bought was, finally, a flybar stabiliser for doing the pitch and keeping everything nicely level! i say ironic as pretty much everything is going FBL now, hahahaha!

i still have my trusty B400, flybarred, although i keep seeing vids of the B450 X and am starting to hanker!!!!

i also got two new swash level tools, one for the mCPX by Xtreme Production and one for the 600N by Heli Option, which i don't want to get out of the packaging as it is just a beautifully machined piece of metal!!!!

here are some shots of them and the infamous GT-5 3 axis gyro!!!

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RE: Heli stuff and fellowship - 3/23/2012 1:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hey Takeshi, The 3gx has a new upgrade firmware you will want to use. It is the 2.0 It solves the back drift and the problem of wanting to flip over on you while taking off. It cleans up the PIRO and some other stuff. You will have to resetup your 3gx. It added 3 flight modes and got ride of the preset heli cyclic programes.. Flys much better!!

Matty the T5 unit is a really nice unit and I wish I have used one so I don't have any way of helping you with it. I will try to find a manual. Just keep in mide that all units I have used want you to remove any trims, subtrims, Make your pick curve straght 0-100 while setting it up. They will want you to show it a certain Cyclic pitch and collective, Want to know what servos you are using and most importane the swash has to be perfect and or it will walk you through it. Let me know what you don't understand and I will do my best.

I recently put the new Spektrum/BeastX unit on my Gaui200. Wow it settaled tha heli down. I flys so well now.

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RE: Heli stuff and fellowship - 3/23/2012 4:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		OK, I am back. A trip to Florida to take my cousin out for her 80th birthday and two funerals later, we're home. Swam around in two wild rainstorms, and managed to get out the field to watch Sean fly his Raptor 30 like a pro. I wasn't ready for that. Last time I saw him at the Rat Club, he was hovering around without training wheels. I watched him crank it up, carry it out put it on the ground, spool it up, and in a roar he took of straight into forward flight into lazy eights! Now this would be routine, I suppose, but I was completely so not ready for this demo! Not only that, he was flying in 10-12mph winds! I was so proud of him. His Mom had come out along with he and his Dad, and boy was Mom impressed! Hahaha.

Went out again today and flew my SDX. Winds were 12mph average and gusts to 19mph. To say the least it was just not fun to fly in those gusts. Greg and Joel were out there too. Greg worked on his piroflips and autos a bit with his SDX fitted with a Skookum FBL, and Joel flew his T-Rex 700 after attempting to patch a leaking manifold/header. As usual, Joel flew like a madman well actually a little more conservative, thanks to the wind.

But no animals or helis were hurt and a reasonably good time was had by all.

The plan is to go back out again tomorrow and fly around the tractor while it mows (just kidding). Rumor has it that the winds will be only 2-4mph. I know that ain't the case. Our poor field is up to its armpits in water. All the ditches still have water in them and parts of the field have standing water still perhaps an issue for our plank pilots but not for us! Er, at least as long as we stay OUT OF the WATER!

Good to be back. Glad to see the crickets have left this thread.

Now let's see if this actually posts. Maybe I'd better stash a copy of this on the clipboard before hitting the button!

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RE: Heli stuff and fellowship - 3/23/2012 3:43 PM   
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Sean... yep MQX cool little 4 banger, we fly one around the store daily.

Mack hey hey hey

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RE: Heli stuff and fellowship - 3/23/2012 11:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks Mack, I hope to get out to the club either late tomorrow or sunday. Jim what kind of brushless motor did you buy for your mcpx? I think I will buy one but there are a lot on the market.I am  almost done building my hk 500 and i cant wait to see how it flies! (=  - Sean

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RE: Heli stuff and fellowship - 3/24/2012 12:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have a Microheli frame with a MHXframe 3mm tail boom holder, HP05 brushless on a 9T pinion, You will need a brushless esc and a Steves converter. All can be had at www.Wowhobbies.com. I am using a helimax brushless ESC that is used on a Helimax120cp. This is before Wow had the kits that are plug and play. Mine is soldered to my main board. I also use 500 Mah 1s battery in a 30c such as the Hyperion. I also use an extened boom 140mm, 3mm (the stock Ef120 tail boom cut) with the 120 tail motor and a 65mm propeller from a micro airplane. It is monted toward the left and blowes airacross the tail motor to keep it cool. The prop comes from www.radicalrc.com. You may have to reverse your motor connector on you tail. The power is stupid. I also have a oneway bearing mounted. I think I got it at Helidirect or Flyhelisrus. Micro heli swash and blade holders with carbon landing gear by Microheli.

There is also an HP8 motor out there I heard the otherday. The HP05 is a 14000kv and the HPo8 is 16000kv

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RE: Heli stuff and fellowship - 3/24/2012 11:29 AM   
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hey Jimbo

the servos that are on the Apache are G0-Teck (a Chinese manufacturer but claim they use exactly the same electronics as the more expensive Sx's), the main problem i have is the tail servo doesn't have any markings on it to distinguish between 760µs and 1520µs! quite important as it has to be set in the gyro!! yes, all the sub trims and everything else have been set straight in the Tx (one of the photos shows the power set up i made so that i could set it all before plugging in any Sx's or ESC!)! as i said, i'm putting a Scorpion Commander ESC on it to replace the blown up one, which has a max 4cell input! still don't know what happened there?!!!? could it be that putting the voltage reg. between the ESC and the gyro was actually boosting the output of the BEC from the ESC? all i know is the Sx's were not responding properly and everything was getting hot, from the ESC to the Sx's! it does seem odd, as it flew quite nicely without anything added, no overheating or uncommanded inputs!

i'm not stupid to the world and i know how things work in business and marketing BUT why can't there be some form of uniformity within the RC industry? mainly silly things like why are there 3 or 4 different types of balance plug? they all do exactly the same thing, it's not like one has better performance than another!!! okay, the main connector is personal preference and there are some differences which make one better than another in certain respects! also, why are there different colours used on Sx cables? have one uniform colour scheme orange OR white for signal (one or the other, please!), red power and black ground!! K.I.S.S. !!!!!! and have a uniform plug shape for the Sx's too!! everyone uses whichever Sx's - Rx combo they feel happy with and will alter the connections if need be so why don't the bigwigs get together and make it all uniform and sell on product performance not because you can't actually fit one in another!!

sorry rant over! getting very frustrated with things (not just RC, am missing the family big time and i missed being at home for Naiya's b/day this week!)

smiley happy face!!!

hope everyone gets flying today! typically, it's absolutely perfect today for flying but i have soooooo much stuff to do i cannot justify taking half the day out for flying! bummer!

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RE: Heli stuff and fellowship - 3/24/2012 2:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Matty, I found a manual and all in it is straight forward. You need to go ahead and mount it so you can see what it is doing . It is safe to assume that 1520 would be for most DS servos.

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RE: Heli stuff and fellowship - 3/26/2012 7:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		AWESOME day of flying yesterday, it was my first full day of proper club flying! I was out there from around noon until 7 or 8pm. The fear and shakiness with the 500 has died down in a big way, by the end of the day I was flying fast and hard with a lot more confidence. Started doing stall turns again! Love doing huge stall turns, it's like riding a halfpipe and the 500 looks great in a tailslide. I did more work on funnels nose up and down, big and small. Once I get a better feel for tail down I'll start working on half piro transitions between them for a nice figure 8, I can get those sometimes on the sim. Lot of flips, even some right down on the deck. Super low inverted hovers with hard punch outs into rainbows, I even did some stationary and climbing tic tocs. The other heli guys at the field said they think I'll be better than them in a week or two The guy that sold me my 500 surprised me by handing over the TX halfway through flying his 600n, and one of the other guys let me try out a trex450 to see the difference between it and my blade. I'm getting along great with the guys at this club and they're a lot of fun to fly with an talk to.

I really need to work on alternate orientations for inverted hovering so I can confidently practice my piro flips in real life. Once in a while I over or under rotate the tail in the sim and when I actually have to think to make a correction it all goes to hell. Backwards flight is another thing I really need to work on, I'm not confident in my backwards turns at all. After that I guess it'll be inverted circuits. I'm understanding more and more how the basics facilitate learning the more complicated stuff, it lets you be confident no matter what way you're facing or which direction you're moving if you botch a maneuver and don't come out facing the right way!

My dad flew up for the afternoon to bring my Typhoon 2 from home and I picked him up from the airport to come watch us all fly for a bit. The only heli he'd seen before was my Blade 400 so getting do see the 600n and Compass 700 in action was a cool experience for him. One of the other guys also flew an AWESOME 10' clipped wing cub, that thing was absolutely beautiful in the air and he handled it like a pro. Can't believe how much giant scale sounds like a real airplane!! My dad secretly shot some video of me flying on his phone and managed to break the curse, it's the first time he's filmed me an I haven't crashed haha. After I get the videos from him I'll share them here depending on how they came out. Now that I'm flying with the club I'm sure I'll eventually end up with some high quality videos sooner or later

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Matty, I found a manual and all in it is straight forward. You need to go ahead and mount it so you can see what it is doing . It is safe to assume that 1520 would be for most DS servos.

Jim

yeah, that was what blew the ESC up! i had fitted everything like the book said and even took the precaution of using a separate power source for the Rx with voltage reg., et al! when i added power with all the Sx's fitted they started getting really hot and the tail Sx sounded like it was going to blow up it was 'ticking' so hard! the display was going crazy and would not respond to any command from the touch pad but was fine with no Sx's connected!

kind of giving up on it for now as i really have to get the Apache back in one piece to transport it back to Blighty with me as i'm heading back in the next month, all things being equal!

the next battle is going to be programming the Scorpion ESC!!

p,l,c+mh

Matty


oh, big KUDOS to takeshiskunk man!!!!


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RE: Heli stuff and fellowship - 3/27/2012 3:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		Skunk, you da MAN!

Wow, you are waaaay ahead of me now. I need to hitch up my getalong and get with the program. So glad you have a strong club to back you up. It's the same for me at the Rat Club and it makes this hobby so rewarding because of the people in our club.

Mack

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RE: Heli stuff and fellowship - 3/27/2012 3:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		Time for another round of the Rat Club Chronicles! This last weekend was awesome! Two days of calm at ~80-85 degF was almost too much to stand. All benches were full, and I daresay, more helicopters than planks if you can imagine such a thing.

On Saturday, it was especially fun since our club President and his son were on Work Crew duty. The Work Crew was busy weed-eating etc. while the rest of us froliced. Joel was on his last day off before going back to work for the next two weeks. He entertained us with extreme flying with his .90 T-Rex. He finally got the leak in his manifold to go away and had full power at his fingertips. He even mowed some grass for us inverted. Awesome.

And here's the best part, folks: no helicopter was injured this weekend! Well I must admit that on Saturday, the Club Secretary managed to break both of his props while flying his Stick, but that was pretty minor, and the rest of his plane did survive. Other than that, everybody had a good time and did not have to endure any damage whatsoever. Not bad, since many of us were taking our aircraft out of mothballs.

Our large electric pilot, Quentin continues to improve his flying skills and he entertained us with his newly acquired 700 VBAR Mikado. He is totally FBL now and has a good grasp on how to set them up. Fun to watch and wish we could fly that well too.

The highlight of the afternoon was when Stuart was trying to mow around the club gate with the little John Deer mower and got it stuck in the mud (remnant from the recent rains). Being of sound mind, Stuart decided to tow the little mower out with his Toyota SUV. He then managed to get the SUV stuck. I came along trying to go home and tried to pull him out but the plastic rope he was using was too weak and broke. Finally, Joel fired up his monster truck and came out to rescue Stuart. His truck had a winch on the front and pulled that little Toy car and lawn mower out in a jiffy. I would like to point out that the mosquito population had exploded and a CLOUD of skeeters were hovering around the lawn mower. I headed home promptly once I'd determined I was no longer needed. Skeeters love my tender juicy flesh...

On Sunday, Greg, our master pilot was busier than a bubble dancer with a slow leak. He was helping everyone with their typical aches and pains. Fred had crashed late Saturday oops did I say no crashes? I forgot about Fred. Well it was pretty minor now that I think of it. Tail boom strike. Fred is just learning to move from hovering to forward flight, and this birthing process has been trying for him. Heh. No sweat, Ronnie was on the job helping Fred get his Sceadu back together and he was back in the air before the day was over.

Jack was there flying his 600 Pro T-Rex. He brought along his neighbor's 16 yo boy and his girlfriend. They were hovering a 450 T-Rex with training gear and doing quite well. Glad to see more young people showing up!

Meanwhile, Sean and George were launching their Sceadu and Raptor 30. Sean is now flying the feathers off his Raptor, far ahead of his Dad. So Greg had to step in and help them set up both aircraft for stunt modes. Sean is now attempting stall turns. I predict he will be way into aerobatics within the month.
I think he's already doing so with his tiny models at home.


Greg had to leave a bit early, so the Raptor wasn't quite ready for extreme flight. BUT, George's Sceadu was ready to go and (I guess)
Sean talked George into letting him fly the last flight of the day. Sean spooled it up and took off like a scalded cat. He flew hard lazy eights with tight tight pylon-style turns. The blades roared on every turn. He was in command and you could see the confidence. When he finished and landed he hooted like he'd just won the lottery I think he's hooked.

Been a long time since I've seen so much going on at the club. It was so nice, it was just nice to be there, even if you didn't do nutting.
All day it felt like you just mowed the grass.

Mack

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RE: Heli stuff and fellowship - 3/27/2012 4:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		Mack, I maybe can do tight turns but I am far away from doing figure eights as smooth as yours!! It looks so graceful! Hope the weather stays nice like last weekend! It hasnt been that perfect in a long time. BTW, skunk congrats one the 500!!  - Sean 

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