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RE: WALKERA 4#3B 2.4Ghz Metal Upgraded Edition Helicopter - 10/6/2008 3:34 AM

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Hans,

No, this is not politics but economics. Politics is what we saw in the debates. Everyone was on the same page,,, just different flavors of the same pablum. But Ron Paul and Cynthia Mckinney,,, now THERE are some fresh ideas and solutions you can sink your teeth into.

Fortunately, I too have no debt and as much modelling gear and supplies that anyone could want. IF a depression hits, as long as I can get fuel, I'm all set. Come to think of it, I should stock up. Glow fuel will be a problem I'll bet but kerosene and oil for my diesel engines should still be available. And having proven on the diesel forum that you can run diesel engines without ether, I shouldn't have any problems getting airtime no matter what. Should stock up on batteries though.

Thank you for the compliment but I'm really quite ordinary with electronics,, too mysterious for me. I've never seen an electron and I don't believe they exist. I better prefer the mechanical, gears, belts, sprockets and machine work, like that. See my other videos on YouTube.

I have five spare batteries all charged up. Just waiting for some calm weather, I have very little room indoors.

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RE: WALKERA 4#3B 2.4Ghz Metal Upgraded Edition Helicopter - 10/6/2008 5:01 AM

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yea Hans, losing tiny bits on carpet is a pain in the arse. i sometimes forget what's inside of this and that and parts just fall out. what's amazing is how a big 50 size chopper won't fly (properly) unless all the tiny bits and pieces are in place. last thing you want is for something to wobble around and send a blade into your head at 300mph lol. i finally flew it today, 3 weeks since the crash. had to retrim it, retune the engine, remote gyro gain, co-pilot system and pitch/throttle curves in a couple of spots because i thought it was a good idea to change them while i was assembling it. didn't think it would screw up my hover. AND now i have a bad wobble when the rotor is spooling up, but not at hover speeds. weird as hell, might be the wood blades that i'm using. so yea, the 4#3b is a piece of cake compared to something like that: few parts, few adjustments, badabing badaboom and it's in the air. gotta love that. and yes, i'm also rusty whenever i take more than a week break from flying. i always do 1 tank/battery just getting re familiarized with control responses.
here's an old vid of one of my maiden flights. stopped using training gear after 8 flights or so. haven't made any new vids of flying circuits.
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=12357653

so what else do you burn your money on? lol, are you into cars as well? good thing i don't mod mine, or else that would be another money pit. regular wear items are enough, $600 for summer tires, $600 for winter tires, $600 winter rims, not to mention $300 for a full transmission/differentials/transfer case oil change

AWD is a tricky thing.

Andy, it's funny that you brought that up because in the past 2 months that's all that my friends and everyone at work have been talking about. it's pretty crazy right now, down in the US and A. we're just regular folks caught up in the mistakes of big time idiots who mismanaged our money and made some horrible choices due to greed. and if they get bailed out with OUR money, we will never see a dime of their profits. i'm with you on Ron Paul, voted for him in the primaries, although i don't agree on EVERY single thing with him. either way, i hate talking about all the depressing things

i'll have to agree about a possible shortage of fuel, so it's a good thing i have 2 electric helis and a sail boat. it's interesting what you said about diesel fuel. what models do you run on it? the newer generation engines are very impressive in reliability and economy. for example, the Audi GT car with a diesel engine won a LeMans, i believe it was, due to fewer pit stops.

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RE: WALKERA 4#3B 2.4Ghz Metal Upgraded Edition Helicopter - 10/6/2008 9:53 AM

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JOIZEEX,

Hey, don't feel bad, it's not just the US. Japan, after decades of miraculous growth hit the wall with their own real estate bust. At the peak, you couldn't get a mortgage unless you committed your FUTURE children to pay it off. Unborn kids, that is. Now THAT was a bubble.

But Europe is also melting down. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601068&refer=home&sid=aD24rTsF1jwE Global economy,,, riiiight. Global disaster more like it.

But enufadat. Diesel is my favorite subject. See and listen, http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=RzuxaQ8dixs Now, when your Spit, Mustang or even SE5 is idling on the tarmack, about to engage the enemy, don't that sound just send up them ole shivers of anticipation up the old spine? It do me. Unlike glow, we have a masculine, glug,glug,glug and then, a roar to full power instead of an irritating whine. Whine should only be served with cheese, I'm told. I'm not a drinker.

Like electric, diesel swings big props with torque. With the added bonus of sound effects.

The engine is the Norvel .15 glow converted to diesel. Even I said it couldn't be done till I lost my fear of using an electric starter. Verboten in the diesel world till now. See my other videos.

But wait, I ain't trashing electrics. Circumstances in life kept me out of the game for a year or so. Them Wallymart PicoZs and PalmZs and the like helped me to preserve sanity. Hence my foray into this truly outstanding, micro heli from Walkera. I agree, a dud can happen to the best of companies. Not their fault,,, I bet they get the wiring harnesses from a sub-contractor.

Point is, don't be a lekky, slimer or gasser snob. Lots of fun to be had in all aspects of the hobby.

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RE: WALKERA 4#3B 2.4Ghz Metal Upgraded Edition Helicopter - 10/7/2008 2:47 AM

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well I just had to replace my 4 in 1 which was 40 bucks, had a bad crash and its gone lol

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RE: WALKERA 4#3B 2.4Ghz Metal Upgraded Edition Helicopter - 10/7/2008 7:06 AM

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Well, after several months of no joy with my 4#3B, I come back this evening with even less joy. I can get it into a hover OK, but a tad forward flight and it goes squirrelly on me, peeling off to the left or the right at random.

I've flown helis for years, off and on, first the DuBro Whirlybird, Dubro Hughes with the O&R engine, the GMP Competitor and only lately, LiteMachines great little,, uh machine.

So, I'm not a newbie and I'm not rusty.

One thing though, it's late fall here and cold, some 5 degrees above zero. Wonder if LiPoes donnalikeda cold. Sad thing if so, I had my heart set on doing some winter flying with this little beast. Snow is soft, and the motor can't overheat.

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RE: WALKERA 4#3B 2.4Ghz Metal Upgraded Edition Helicopter - 10/7/2008 11:59 PM

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i like the engine sounds Andy, looks like engine conversions is your thing. pretty neat stuff.

have you tried hovering indoors with the new Rx? if you fix it on to something like in one of your videos and then hold forward stick, maybe you'll see the servos twitch or something. as long as you try it indoors.

i totally agree about various methods to power an RC or the type of RC to play with. that's why i have all kinds, including wind powered. each is an interesting learning experience.

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RE: WALKERA 4#3B 2.4Ghz Metal Upgraded Edition Helicopter - 10/8/2008 6:00 AM

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Andy, I too had too much down time and just decided to get a second 4#3b. It's a no brainer for only about $100 + shipping from CA.

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RE: WALKERA 4#3B 2.4Ghz Metal Upgraded Edition Helicopter - 10/8/2008 6:06 AM

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Funny that you should mention Ron Paul. I were just thinking that the 2 party system in the U.S. is not working. They are always fighting, blaming and offloading their problems from one president to the next. Ron Paul would be a refreshing change. Even if I'm voting for him, I don't think he's even got a remote chance. It's like a protest vote.

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RE: WALKERA 4#3B 2.4Ghz Metal Upgraded Edition Helicopter - 10/11/2008 3:37 AM

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I like the idea of having a spare one. Kept me airborne without and real down time due to crashes. Havn't really broken anything the last couple of weeks. The more I fly the better I get to save it from the "big-bang"

Unfortunately I can't stop myself from trying new funny stuff so occationally it goes into the floor

Btw, got my spare parts Wednesday from Rotor Feaver. Also got a Walkera #52 which is a little larger with CP but still quite small. Wow, that is a handful

It flew great directly out of the box but is too big for my livingroom for anything else than hover. And that is all I can do with it at the moment because I am still a little causious about the fast turning blades.

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RE: WALKERA 4#3B 2.4Ghz Metal Upgraded Edition Helicopter - 10/11/2008 4:08 AM

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Hey joizeex, hate pitch and throttle curves. I always end up messing with them and have to spend a lot of time with my pitch gauge. Havn't touched the little #52 since it flies quite OK and I am still to get used to it's pitch response. It is all over the place in the vertical direction so I probably have to learn to keep my throttle calm. Nice video by the way! I really like the calm movements. Seems to fly great

I guess you can tosh it around as you want to by know

Blew my money on a '08 Corvette last year. It has its one year birthday next week, so I am thinking about taking it for a spin out of town on the empty roads, if you know what I mean

Love cars just as much as helis so I hope that I still will be able to afford to buy gas for it next year

It doesn't exactly have great milage

... but who cares

I havn't spent a dime on maintenance except the oil change plan they talked me into.

Anyway, have been flying like crazy today and took the 4#3 outside even though it was a little windy. It did great but it is a quite different style when you have to compensate for wind. Good thing is that it reacts fast enough to be able to compensate for gusts that tries to blow it over. A lot of fun, but not that easy. I am planning to replace the tail motors etc. this weekend so that I have less "cool off" time. I am not stopping before I have hit every single thing in my livingroom

Btw. I am practicing CCW turns and are able to do them slow. The gyro is really trying to kick the tail out and is very busy doing what I don't want it to do. Lot of fun but not that easy.

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RE: WALKERA 4#3B 2.4Ghz Metal Upgraded Edition Helicopter - 10/11/2008 4:58 AM

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Hi Guys. I got my 4#3B on Thursday along with 3 extra battery packs and I've been flying the heck out of it. With the days getting shorter, I'm not able to take my other heli's down to the local park after work. This little 4#3B is the perfect "fix" for my addiction!

I was very surprised at the stability. It's small enough that I can do circuits in my living room while sitting on the couch. Fun!

The blades seem really loose (they just flop around), but it flies fine. My other heli's (Walkera 4#1 and the Blade 400) would vibrate like crazy if the blades were so loose. I tried to tighten them but the metal blade holders don't seem to pinch the blade much. No problems though, it flies great without vibration.

And as others have noticed, there is so little mass that it's relatively crash proof.

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RE: WALKERA 4#3B 2.4Ghz Metal Upgraded Edition Helicopter - 10/11/2008 5:28 AM

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Hi Marc

Welcome to the club and it is GREAT to hear. You obviously benifit from your experience with the 4#1 so keep it going!

The blades must be very loose and as you say, they will not cause vibrations like the bigger #4. I always had bad vibes with my #4 so I stripped it down but hadn't really had the time to try to fix it. Was too busy flying the 4#3B.

And you can really crash it bad without breaking anything as long as you quickly remove throttle before the unexpected landing

I have done the most stupid things with it and it has almost always forgiven me afterwards. I mainly crash it when I am pushing it really bad and are running out of talent, so it is really a great trainer!! Love the sitting on the couch part, but remember to switch off the TV. Learned that tonight

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RE: WALKERA 4#3B 2.4Ghz Metal Upgraded Edition Helicopter - 10/12/2008 2:28 AM

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For the loose blades, take a standard hole punch and punch some 0.005 and 0.010 styrene, or 0.0075 glossy photo paper, and put a small hole in the center with a hobby knife. Use these shims to tighten the blades. They shouldn't be free, but also should not be tight. CAREFUL not to overtighten, or you'll strip the aluminum blade grips with the steel screws....then another wait for more parts.

I have moded my 4#3B a bit, with the aim on durability. The Mia Micro-Fligght Tuff skids screw on the stock 4#3B frame with minimal mods to frame and canopy, and are indestructable. For $8, the best investment I've ever made.

The bigest wear issue I have is the main rotorhead blade spindle shaft O-rings (those c-clips are a **** to get on and off), and all the tail maintnence. I have one of my 4#3B's with the Bitz-racing sink that has 25+ flights on the same main motor. Other than a few blades, I have not "broken" anything in quite a while...except for the time the sausage dog jumped off the couch and took down the bird...mid-flight. I need to find her some cats to play with

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RE: WALKERA 4#3B 2.4Ghz Metal Upgraded Edition Helicopter - 10/12/2008 5:20 AM

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The bigest wear issue I have is the main rotorhead blade spindle shaft O-rings (those c-clips are a **** to get on and off), and all the tail maintnence. I have one of my 4#3B's with the Bitz-racing sink that has 25+ flights on the same main motor. Other than a few blades, I have not "broken" anything in quite a while...except for the time the sausage dog jumped off the couch and took down the bird...mid-flight. I need to find her some cats to play with Ted

Thanks for the tip about the blade shims Ted.

I've probably got about 20 flights and haven't broken anything yet. I bought a spare main motor, tail motor, and landing gear, but haven't had to use anything yet.

Using a magnifier lens, I did see the small cir-clips and o-rings on the head. I can't find anyplace online that sells those parts individually. I could only find the entire head. What do you guys use to replace the o-rings?

I'm flying at 7400 ft. ASL so I try to keep my helis as light as possible. I plan to keep the standard landing gear on it.

I have also noticed that if I push the tail rotor back on too tight after a small crash, it doesn't spin as freely. The main symptom is that I have to use a lot more trim on the rudder. So I've learned to push the tail rotor back on, but then pull it out slightly.

Otherwise, I'm having a great time sitting on my couch and flying figure eights around the living room!

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RE: WALKERA 4#3B 2.4Ghz Metal Upgraded Edition Helicopter - 10/12/2008 11:42 AM

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Good advice but the head speed is fast enough to keep the blades out during the flight. There is no reason to tighten them so that they done move freely. Just tighten the screws enough so there is no vertical play between the blades and the blade holders. I have had several hundreds of fligths with this setup and you only want to do this if there is no way to eliminate the vertical play.

Marc, your observation with the tail rotor is right on. If you keep it a little loose and lupe it well you will find that it will outlast qute a few main motors. I just replaced 2 tail motors after a lot of flying, but it is usually the main motors that are loosing power and making the flight less exciting. I havn't experienced any wear on the rotor head or anything else except for the main- and occationally tail motors. I have never broken the landing gear or the blades, but I have killed a couple of servos, broken the canopy and bent the flybar.

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RE: WALKERA 4#3B 2.4Ghz Metal Upgraded Edition Helicopter - 10/12/2008 3:06 PM

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... but I have killed a couple of servos....

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Hans,
Are there any other (cheaper) servos you have tried? I've seen the Walkera servos for about $10. Just wondering if anyone has tried any others?

Marc

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RE: WALKERA 4#3B 2.4Ghz Metal Upgraded Edition Helicopter - 10/12/2008 10:26 PM

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just ordered a 4 3b also ordered this dont laugh

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RE: WALKERA 4#3B 2.4Ghz Metal Upgraded Edition Helicopter - 10/13/2008 2:48 AM

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just ordered a 4 3b also ordered this dont laugh

No laughing here. Whatever it takes to get in the air! As someone once told me, it's all about stick time.

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RE: WALKERA 4#3B 2.4Ghz Metal Upgraded Edition Helicopter - 10/13/2008 4:28 AM

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i'm totally laughing at the training gear

better safe than sorry though. you'll learn quick enough, trust me.

Hans, so you got that C6 eh? those things haul a$$. do you have nice twisty roads where you are? here it's mostly highways, so i get creative with street corners and exit ramps lol. my ex-gf was fed up with my street-road course shenanigans.
thanks for the comment on the vid, it was my ex who filmed it (she was also the one who bought me that kit and the engine for it, i then bought all the electronics). i was very nervous during those maiden flights. unfortunately i still can't toss that thing around just yet lol. i only have 32 flights on it total (it burns fuel like your Vette btw). i just had it out this sat-sun and was taking it easy because i'm rusty again. i wanna finish this gallon and maybe one more before it gets too cold to stand around outside. that's when i'm gonna divert more attention to the 4#3B which i have sitting on the shelf for a while now.

oh yea, my blades are VERY loose. i didn't even try to tighten the grips on them. they swing around freely and this has in no way impacted the flying. it's actually easy on the whole assembly when the blades hit something because they fold with no resistance.

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RE: WALKERA 4#3B 2.4Ghz Metal Upgraded Edition Helicopter - 10/13/2008 7:06 AM

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Cen where did u get that training gear from?

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RE: WALKERA 4#3B 2.4Ghz Metal Upgraded Edition Helicopter - 10/13/2008 10:51 PM

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the new walkera 4g3 is coming out on preorder on the 20th of october which chinese jade is offering, and it will be out late november, any of guys looking at getting it?

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RE: WALKERA 4#3B 2.4Ghz Metal Upgraded Edition Helicopter - 10/14/2008 1:44 AM

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Yap, I already ordered the 4G3 from wowhobbies.com shipping from California in Nov. What a price... $169 and includes an extra battery. Now all I have to worry about is to come up with the $$$ in nov.

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RE: WALKERA 4#3B 2.4Ghz Metal Upgraded Edition Helicopter - 10/14/2008 1:48 AM

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$169 isn't to bad I guess, considering its brand new, to bad they didn't go brushless with it

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RE: WALKERA 4#3B 2.4Ghz Metal Upgraded Edition Helicopter - 10/14/2008 1:56 AM

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also the new 4g3 is 10.7 inches in total length compare to the 4#3b which is 8.3 inches total length, the 4g3 is about 2 inches longer.

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RE: WALKERA 4#3B 2.4Ghz Metal Upgraded Edition Helicopter - 10/14/2008 1:59 AM

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Cen where did u get that training gear from?

http://www.miracle-mart.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=2481

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