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Phoenix Strega YS110 lost today! - 5/25/2008 5:58:05 AM   
Yellowsierra02


 

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Status: offline 		Well I got my Phoenix Strega and YS110 project finished about two weeks ago. It was a great flying plane and was really fast. Im going to miss it. I was at the flying field today showing my buddys the new plane. They really liked it. I was on my third flight. I flew it around for 2-3 minutes and it was doing great. I started into some nice barrel rolls and then it happened. The plane was not responding. No up down, left right and I tryed to pull the throttle back but nothing. The next thing I know my plane hits the ground. I was using my DX6 and Im about 100% sure the Receiver went bad. At first I though the battery may have slung loose when I was doing the barrel rolls but I had it zip tied in place so that was not possible. I also noticed the prongs where badly bent on the reciver so that shows it was still pluged in and when it hit the ground the battery slung out causing the plugs to bend over. I flew alot farther away before I crashed so im sure I was not out of range. I mean it was only 50 yards away so it definatly wasnt out of range. I noticed the day before that the aileron servo twitched for a second but didnt think anything about it. Its one thing when you make a mistake and crash. Its another thing when its totally out of your hands and all you can do is watch your plane hit the ground. It was a sad sad day but I held my head up and tryed to hide the pain that I deeply felt. I think the motor is fixable but the plane, reciever, two servos, battery and a few other things are trash. I cant keep but thinking that the stupid AR6000 reciever caused me to loose my plane. It makes me sick.
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RE: Phoenix Strega YS110 lost today! - 5/25/2008 6:20:19 AM   
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RE: Phoenix Strega YS110 lost today! - 5/25/2008 6:59:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		Bummer. No matter how high-tech and fool proof they say the new stuff is, it still relies on thousands of microscopic connections to work perfectly, and there is no margin for error.....either this stuff works 100% or it doesn't work at all.
I love the idea of getting into bigger stuff, but I'm not wealthy enough to take setbacks of this magnitude in stride.
Like Billy H says: there are those who have crashed, there are those who are gonna crash and there are those who are crashing right now.

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RE: Phoenix Strega YS110 lost today! - 5/25/2008 7:26:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		One question, did you use a 4 cell or 5 cell battery?

I lost three planes on Spektrum do to the use of 4 cell flight packs. If the voltage drops below 4.8V, even for a split second, it can cause the receiver to reboot, which takes up to 6 seconds. That is normally too long to wait to gain control of your plane. I don't use anything but 5 cell packs now. Some guys use the capacitor that Spektrum sells and you can also send in receivers and have the upgrade done to them. I just use 5 cells. So far, so good.

Blessings, Terry

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RE: Phoenix Strega YS110 lost today! - 5/25/2008 7:58:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		What else can one say.....Sorry.....

I've had a Viper 3 years ago that went brain dead and strait into the runway at high speed. There wasn't much left to do a cause of crash.

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RE: Phoenix Strega YS110 lost today! - 5/25/2008 3:51:15 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: still4given

One question, did you use a 4 cell or 5 cell battery?

I lost three planes on Spektrum do to the use of 4 cell flight packs. If the voltage drops below 4.8V, even for a split second, it can cause the receiver to reboot, which takes up to 6 seconds. That is normally too long to wait to gain control of your plane. I don't use anything but 5 cell packs now. Some guys use the capacitor that Spektrum sells and you can also send in receivers and have the upgrade done to them. I just use 5 cells. So far, so good.

Blessings, Terry



I used a 5-cell pack. I read the voltage on the pack and it said 5.7 volts. It was alittle low but do you think it went below 4.8 after I pulled two servo controls? My controler was at 10 volts and doesnt start beeping intill 8.9 volts. As far as I can tell on the motor it broke the valve cover, one rocker arm and maybe a pushrod cover. Im not sure if Im going to build another Phoenix Strega or a World models Dago Red. I like them both but I almost want to try something different. Its discouraging and may take a month to save the money to build another but I dont want to give up yet.

Justin

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RE: Phoenix Strega YS110 lost today! - 5/25/2008 6:02:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: still4given

One question, did you use a 4 cell or 5 cell battery?

I lost three planes on Spektrum do to the use of 4 cell flight packs. If the voltage drops below 4.8V, even for a split second, it can cause the receiver to reboot, which takes up to 6 seconds.

Blessings, Terry


The new A123 cells are particularly good for this because of their extremely flat discharge curve. Just a little bit more insurance against a brown out failure.

You are correct, 6 seconds is a LONG time to be watching your plane do whatever it wants without control. Unless you get lucky and have a lot of altitude and/or the nose pointing up when it goes out, it will probably taste dirt.

Mark

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RE: Phoenix Strega YS110 lost today! - 5/25/2008 7:30:59 PM   
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Status: online 		If you used a DX6 in a standard sized model airplane with a large glow engine it is possible you had a failure due to the AR6000 receiver getting its signal blocked. That is why Spektrum sold the DX6 as a Parkflyer radio only, and advised strongly never to use it in a standard model airplane with a glow engine.

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RE: Phoenix Strega YS110 lost today! - 5/25/2008 8:48:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've used the DX6 since it came out. I've never had a problem with using it with my gas planes but I guess theres a first for everything. I may sell the dx6 and get a DX6i. Even if it blocked the signal it shouldn't last as long as it did. It felt like 30 seconds before it hit the ground but im sure it was only 4-5 seconds. I just hope in the future if I crash its my fault. It really sucks watching your plane fly out of control and just being able to watch.

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RE: Phoenix Strega YS110 lost today! - 5/25/2008 10:15:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yup, same thing happened to me with futaba's fassst system. Very frustrating.

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RE: Phoenix Strega YS110 lost today! - 5/25/2008 11:36:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		We have a bunch of guys now running the JR spektrums with multiple satellite receivers on board and it looks like for the most part interference and drop-outs are a thing of the past but early last year there was carnage. I've not seen a single Futaba fassst system at the field. I have a bunch of planes and it would cost too much to change away from 72 MHz and I don't have problems. There has been a learning curve thou. I’ve had bad luck with Polks, Berg and PCM mode, yes you may not agree but we all must set up our own set of rules. I stick with dual conversion for the most part, my exceptions is the JR R700 for my slower fun planes. There are receivers within the same brand name that are my favorite and those I hate, for instance the Hitec 555 or Electron 6 (both discontinued) are great xvr's and the newer Supreme IIs will be used in a shotgun target plane because thats all I find it good for.

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RE: Phoenix Strega YS110 lost today! - 5/26/2008 2:06:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: still4given

One question, did you use a 4 cell or 5 cell battery?

I lost three planes on Spektrum do to the use of 4 cell flight packs. If the voltage drops below 4.8V, even for a split second, it can cause the receiver to reboot, which takes up to 6 seconds. That is normally too long to wait to gain control of your plane. I don't use anything but 5 cell packs now. Some guys use the capacitor that Spektrum sells and you can also send in receivers and have the upgrade done to them. I just use 5 cells. So far, so good.

Blessings, Terry

The voltage for this to occur is something like 3.5 to 3.8 volts and the long reacquisition time is only for the older non-upgraded spektrum and JR receivers. Most older Spektrum and JR receivers that do not have this fast recovery feature will be updated by Horizon for free. Just send it in their service department.

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RE: Phoenix Strega YS110 lost today! - 5/26/2008 4:12:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for all the repleys and suggestions. Its good to here that im not the only one this has happened to but I definatly dont want it to happen to anybody else. I flew my pulse xt40 today with my DX6 and had no problems what so ever. Actually I flew it nearly out of sight and still had no problems. I think I just had a bad receiver. There man made so there not going to be perfect but for the most part they seem to be good. Hopefull I dont have another bad experience like this but Im sure I probley will. I guess its a risk you take.

Happy Flying

Justin

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RE: Phoenix Strega YS110 lost today! - 5/26/2008 6:41:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm with Kmot...I thought the DX6 was a "Park Flyer" system?
Don't remember exactly right now, but doesn't it say something in the instructions about not using that rx. and or system with larger/high powered airplanes?
I could be wrong of course, but seems to me that I read that somewhere when the DX6 first came out?

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