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*World Models 70" P-47D THUNDERBOLT* - 5/27/2008 3:20 AM   
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1/7 P-47D THUNDERBOLT
Wing Span: 70 in / 1780 mm
Wing Area: 893 sq in / 57.6 sq dm
Flying Weight: 10.7 lbs / 4850 g
Fuselage Length: 62 in / 1580 mm
Engine Required: 4-stroke 1.20 engine
Radio Required: 6-channel radio w/ 7 standard servos and 2 low profile retract servos



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RE: *World Models 70" P-47D THUNDERBOLT* - 6/1/2008 11:32 PM   
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RE: *World Models 70" P-47D THUNDERBOLT* - 6/2/2008 12:26 AM   
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RE: *World Models 70" P-47D THUNDERBOLT* - 6/2/2008 1:40 AM   
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I have one sitting on the shelf waiting for it's turn on the building line (maybe next year). It's a nice model, but the canopy is a little on the big side, and the cowling is soft, but I like it. I plan on using a G 20 EI (gas) in mine.

Propwash-don,

Does it tell in the manual what kind of covering is on the plane? I was thinking of a 26cc. Does it look like the machanical retracts will hold up?

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RE: *World Models 70" P-47D THUNDERBOLT* - 6/6/2008 11:50 PM   
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Maybe someone that owns this plane will chime in.

Looks like it be a nice ARF....

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RE: *World Models 70" P-47D THUNDERBOLT* - 6/8/2008 5:24 PM   
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Subscribing.
Maybe someone that owns this plane will chime in.

Looks like it be a nice ARF....

I'd like to see some pics and a flight report.

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RE: *World Models 70" P-47D THUNDERBOLT* - 6/8/2008 5:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		The canopy is definately not to scale and will need to be either cut down or replaced. The covering is like China kote but is applied well. The retracts look a bit flimsy for a ship of this size but will probably hold up fine on a dirt or paved runway. I agree the Cowl is a bit thin, I believe I will reinforce with glass at least on the fuse side. I think with the proper fit canopy and some cockpit detail this could be a fine looking ship.

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RE: *World Models 70" P-47D THUNDERBOLT* - 6/8/2008 5:52 PM   
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RE: *World Models 70" P-47D THUNDERBOLT* - 6/8/2008 9:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		I had emailed Airborne-Models and asked what covering was on the model and if it was a fiberglass fuse or built up and this was the reply I got.

Dear Sir,

Covering is ToughLon from World Models. Fuselage is all wood construction, with some glass fillet.

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RE: *World Models 70" P-47D THUNDERBOLT* - 6/8/2008 10:26 PM   
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same as chinakote or aerokote.

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RE: *World Models 70" P-47D THUNDERBOLT* - 6/9/2008 9:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have one of these, flies fantastic with a Saito 125 in it...Unfortunately our strip here in Canberra Australia amounts to nothing more than a mown sheep paddock and being winter the grass covering is quite sparse and the piano wire undercarriage bent on 2 occassions, I replaced the wire with Oleos and it doesn't bend anymore.

Also with our strip being very bumpy the plane has a tendeancy to "nose over" on landing, once again more to do with our strip than any fault with the jugg..

It's a great plane to fly and it now has me checking out new fields in my area for a better strip so I can enjoy the Jug more as opposed to worrying about the cowl cracking on another nose over landing...I have glassed the cowl to stand up to our strip and the inevitable nose overs and it hasn't broken since then, but until someone in our club finally fixes our strip, or we actually get some decent grass covering I will not bother flying it until then, on a paved runway or well maintained grass strip it would be sweet as.

I would certainly recommend to any warbird flyers out there.


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RE: *World Models 70" P-47D THUNDERBOLT* - 6/9/2008 1:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		I brought one a couple of months ago, very dubious at first but it was very cheap.
I had a brand new saito 1.25 I fitted.
Few problems assembling it, the rudder horn bolts were shorter then the thickness of the rudder, and the engine mount was a nightmare to assemble, slight lack of instructions.
But it went together fairly well, I fitted two elevator servos, instead of the one with the forked rod, as I found the rod was binding excessivly, and as it is a big bird I felt happier with two. I fitted another servo rail behind the excisting servo plate and mounted the two new servos in the centre of the fuse on the plate and rail.
The retracts were a little fiddly to set up but do work well.
One of the first things to do is junk the 3 wheels that come with the kit, they are a soft sponge and cannot take the weight of the plane. They go flat and out of shape when the plane sits on the ground.
The engine fired up first flick but it is a real bone shaker and keeps shaking the cowling loose. The exhaust exits inside the cowling so I fitted a 1 inch dia piece of plastic pipe on the firewall exiting the cowl and the engine exhaust points into this pipe so the exhaust is ducted outside, works very well.
I was very dubious about flying this big plane , but she tracked beautifully down the runway and lifted off so gently. With gear up she flies like a trainer, so niceley it is a pleasure to fly. You can let go of the sticks and she just flies like on rails , straight as a die, a gentle nudge of the stick has her banking in big wide turns so smoothly.
If you can fly a basic trainer you can easily handle this plane, in fact you could learn to fly on it, stalls are non excistent, landings are a doddle with or without flaps.
You will need to programme down elevator into the flaps as she pitches sharply up when they are deployed, but keep the power up and she floats in so gently.
The gear is very strong and takes the weight of the plane easily.
All in all this is a superb aircraft and has real prescence in the air, I am so pleased with it, and with the saito growling away almost sounds real.
The main downer is the thickness of the wood in the nose, it is worth glueing additional sheting inside before fitting the tank, on the fuse sheeting betwen the stringers to reinforce the area. Soak loads of cyano into the cowl mount blocks, exposed frames and formers, and fuel proof the front half of the aircraft and she will last a long time.
The covering is a tough as old boots , but in the heat here it does wrinkle a bit, but easily sorted with an iron, besides when does a real warbird look pristine?

All I can say, is buy one, you will not be disappointed.
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RE: *World Models 70" P-47D THUNDERBOLT* - 6/9/2008 3:20 PM   
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Nice to hear that the plane flys well. Do you have any pic's of your plane and the dual servo elevator setup ? Do you know what the total weight of the plane was ? I'm trying to get an idea of the size of this plane to see if it would be a good project for a 26cc gasser.


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RE: *World Models 70" P-47D THUNDERBOLT* - 6/10/2008 12:39 AM   
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agree with soaking the cowl mounting blocks and fuel proffing the front of the plane...as for the elevator I used a 9kg metal gear hitec and the dual pushrod and have found no rpoblems so far :-)

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RE: *World Models 70" P-47D THUNDERBOLT* - 6/10/2008 2:24 AM   
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RE: *World Models 70" P-47D THUNDERBOLT* - 6/10/2008 3:12 AM   
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That's the type of info I was looking for. Sounds like a nice plane but looks like a 26cc gasser may be out of the question on this one. I'd like to read about the flight report to see how the OS 120 4 stroke pulls this plane around. I have a Satio 125. Since this plane comes pre-hinged I'm wondering if CA or Robart style hinges were used ???

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RE: *World Models 70" P-47D THUNDERBOLT* - 6/10/2008 7:44 AM   
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RE: *World Models 70" P-47D THUNDERBOLT* - 6/10/2008 9:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		My Saito 1.25 pulls the plane around with no effort at all, advance the throttle slowly and she is away and lifting off in a very short distance without being overpowered. I fly at half throttle most of the time and it is just right. The 1.20 should be perfect to fly it.
we have a couple of guys at our field who have put ST 3200 in ( or 3 something) becausse they think bigger is better, and this thing flies like a missile, and it looks kinda stupid as it goes around the skies so fast doing stupid aerobatics beyond its capabilities, it defeats the purpose of having a scale'ish plane. Might as well just get a sport plane and wreck that instead.
One other thing I would recommend is fit some good size triangular gussets all around the engine box to firewall, as this does look a weak area, and a little extra reinforcement is no bad thing, especially if you up the engine size.
With my Saito in I had to add about 10 oz of weight up front, but this plane does not even notice it. She is so gentle to fly. I am looking at getting the World Models Spitfire next, hopefully it will be as good as this one.
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RE: *World Models 70" P-47D THUNDERBOLT* - 6/10/2008 4:28 PM   
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the piano wire undercarriage bent on 2 occassions, I replaced the wire with Oleos and it doesn't bend anymore.



Which oleos did you use, sir?

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RE: *World Models 70" P-47D THUNDERBOLT* - 6/10/2008 4:30 PM   
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With my Saito in I had to add about 10 oz of weight up front, but this plane does not even notice it. She is so gentle to fly. I am looking at getting the World Models Spitfire next, hopefully it will be as good as this one.
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I suppose one can find a gas engine in the 34 ounce range. I want to try gas in a warbird.
Do you fly off grass?

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RE: *World Models 70" P-47D THUNDERBOLT* - 6/10/2008 4:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		That review is pretty nice. I am a little confused on what the retract servo bays look like. They are eventually covered up with covering?

Did anyone else find the balsa sheeting cracking with normal handling?

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RE: *World Models 70" P-47D THUNDERBOLT* - 6/10/2008 9:19 PM   
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That review is pretty nice. I am a little confused on what the retract servo bays look like. They are eventually covered up with covering?

Did anyone else find the balsa sheeting cracking with normal handling?

I thought the review was very informative and sounds like the plane is really nice with the control surfaces already hinged. The review shows a pic of the retract servos installed before the covering is put on.

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RE: *World Models 70" P-47D THUNDERBOLT* - 6/11/2008 7:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		The retract servo bays are two cutouts on top of the wing one each side of the fuse. They are outboard of the fuse, which means you have to cover them with the supplied iron on film once the retracts are set up. Ensure they are well set up otherwise you will have to remove the covering over the servos to adjust them.
Unles someone points them out you cannot even see the pieces of film unless you look really hard.
Bawls, yes my fuse front cracks badly every time I put it in the model stand, . Bearing in mind this plane generally needs nose weight, beefing up the front is not a problem.
The best way is to add additional sheeting inside the whole nose area, between the stringers, I used gorilla glue to hold it all in place, superb product for aircraft repairs,
I added a small ply plate to the inside of the righthand lower side just fwd of the wing root, and mounted a remote glow, and fuel fillers there, you can hardly see them but very easy to get to.
This plane needs very few mods out of the box, just assemble and fly if you need to, or spend a little time adjusting parts to suit.
But remember, this is not 100% scale, but unless you are going to enter competitions, who cares, or even knows? It looks and flies so good. Compared to most of the Chinese import P47's that fly at our field, this one is the only one that actually looks like a Thunderbolt.
So buy one and enjoy.
By the way, I fly of a 600 metre tarmac runway, just for models, but dependant on the day I am having, land on the runway, grass or sand.

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RE: *World Models 70" P-47D THUNDERBOLT* - 6/11/2008 9:07 AM   
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RE: *World Models 70" P-47D THUNDERBOLT* - 6/11/2008 12:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		it has the room for a 1.60 in the cowl as it is huge, but the cylinder head may poke out the side so you may have to modify the mount to put the engine inverted instead of at an angle as standard.
Also the mount width may be a problem as the mounting bolts are prefitted, so you may have to adjust those as well.
My saito, as it has two seperate cylinde head covers, these protrude through the cowl by about 1/4 inch, but you donn't rerally notice them at first look.

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