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True 3D plane for my OS 55ax? - 5/29/2008 5:12:51 PM   
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Hi there! I crashed my venus 40 and i am looking for a 3D plane.

I want to be able to do harriers, waterfalls, walls and such and I have been looking for a long time after which model to buy.

I have been looking on the following so far:

TWIST 3D, seems good ... but someone told me its mainly good for hovering but not true 3D

U-can-do 3D .46 , good at hovering but poor on advanced maneuvers?

Groovy 50 3D , dunno much about flight capabilities. Need to reinforce landing gear is necassary?

Reactor 3d by Great planes, good poor overall review scores on this site!

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Please do some comments and give me hints about good 3D planes for my engine size I would love to have something like the yak 54, which i tried in the realflight G3.5 but its a plane 4 times as expensive and I dont have the motor for it.

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RE: True 3D plane for my OS 55ax? - 5/29/2008 5:18:41 PM   
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Do you want one that tracks well, or does intense 3D? The longer tail moments will make it fly better, the shorter ones will allow it to fly wilder.

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RE: True 3D plane for my OS 55ax? - 5/29/2008 6:31:20 PM   
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I don't have a 3D plane yet, but I have been looking at the H9 Showtime 50 with the O.S. 55AX engine. You might consider that one.

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RE: True 3D plane for my OS 55ax? - 5/29/2008 7:01:54 PM   
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quote:

I don't have a 3D plane yet, but I have been looking at the H9 Showtime 50 with the O.S. 55AX engine. You might consider that one


That is HILARIOUS!!! I was just browsing around on youtube and retailer and came across this VIDEO on youtube with the showtime 50, which blew me away!! I was just getting back here to write that I found my dream plane and then you write this LOL!!!

BTW the video which I saw is right HERE! .

Its a tad expensive but if I can keep my OS 55ax on this one and still be able to pull out vertical, I will buy it... I might even buy it anyway and force my wallet to cash a new engine


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RE: True 3D plane for my OS 55ax? - 5/29/2008 9:46:02 PM   
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It's a great flying airplane, there's no doubt. The one in the video is the Showtime 90. I've heard people that have owned both say that they're nearly identical in every way except for size. I almost bought a Showtime, but have been told it's not a great plane to learn to 3D with. From what I've been told, and from what I've seen (I've flown one a couple of times) is that they snap very easily. The pilot in the video is very capable and makes it look easy, but it takes a LOT of set-up to get it to fly well and a lot of skill to make it fly like that. I've never heard that plane be described as "forgiving," which is exactly what you need to learn to 3D.

If you don't mind a Profile plane, I'd recommend a Mojo: here. It really is one of the best flying 3D planes, goes together well, and is resilient to crashing. It's also one of the most recommended planes. Do a search and see what I mean. The Mojo's have a cult-like following. This isn't the greatest video, but it's good: Mojo Video.

If you want a full-fuse plane then the Fliton Edge 540 Freestyle and Fliton Extra 330S Freestyle both weigh less than the Showtime and have more wing area than the Showtime. They're a little more expensive than the Showtime ($10-$20 at Esprit models dot com), but they're MORE than worth the money. They're so great, and they're absolutely amazing. They have airfoiled tail feathers, they are solid, they're light, they're really great fliers. Closest thing to giant scale you'll ever get to fly at that price! I maidened my Edge in 30kt winds, and it didn't seem to notice the wind existed. I don't recommend flying in that wind , but you get my point. Many reviews (including the review in the new Model Aviation) use Saito 82's. An OS 55AX has about the same power as a Saito 82. The 55 with a TH muffler and an APC 12.25X2.75 (or an APC 13x4W) would definitely have enough power to 3D a Fliton plane. If you do buy a new engine for your plane, and you do go for a Fliton, either an 82 or a 100 would be the way to go. I had a 100 on mine, and it had a nice bit of pull. Oh, the Fliton planes come out at 6lbs, H9 FuntanaX50 is 6lbs (I do NOT recommend), the H9 ST50 is 6-7lbs, the Mojo is 4-4.5lbs.

The mojo would be the easiest way to learn, the flitons the prettiest.

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RE: True 3D plane for my OS 55ax? - 5/29/2008 9:47:11 PM   
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Sorry, forgot to subscribe . It happens all the time.

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RE: True 3D plane for my OS 55ax? - 5/29/2008 10:14:59 PM   
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Victor ! thanks for the tips... I live in europe and have not found neither the Fliton Extra 330S Freestyle or the Mojo here... Its a bit tricky to order from the states but i'll try to find those planes in europe and hopefully in sweden

If I could get my hands on a mojo I would buy it in no time!

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RE: True 3D plane for my OS 55ax? - 5/30/2008 12:26:29 AM   
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If you want a mojo im sure it would be real easy to get it. i live in aussie and i had mine here in 1 week. Just hop onto http://www.swanyshouse.com/index.aspx click the one you want and im sure Paul will make every effort to get it to you as quick as he can

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RE: True 3D plane for my OS 55ax? - 5/30/2008 1:59:37 AM   
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There have GOT to be people on the other side of the pond with Mojo's and Flitons....it just wouldn't make much sense otherwise! Custards made a great point, I'm sure Paul would love the business from across the pond. I've only had one direct dealing with him, but it was awesome! He was concise, quick to respond, and completely honest. Check his threads, he'll recommend other profiles a lot. I mean, both his and his competition's. He's a pretty upfront guy, as far as I can tell. His name on here is "Paul Swany." Yeah, I know...pretty hard to remember . If you're not sure about it, read through his threads and figure it out yourself.

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RE: True 3D plane for my OS 55ax? - 5/30/2008 2:05:44 AM   
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RE: True 3D plane for my OS 55ax? - 5/30/2008 4:31:28 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: solpete

BTW the video which I saw is right HERE! .



Yea, great video... I'd bet at least a few bucks that it is Kyle W.
He is truly amazing...

My flying buddy has a Showtime 50 with a Saito 91.
I'd have to say it is a very well built plane. It flys nicely and does not really have any bad habits.
I dont really like its KE though, not enough rudder without the SFG's, and with the SFG's its roll axis shifts off of the fuse out to the middle of the down wing... feels wierd and, well... top-heavy'ish, like it always wants to fall "off" of the down-side SFG one way or the other (falls to gear or canopy equally). Not sure why the up-side SFG doesnt feel like its carrying its own share of the weight.
Elevator is good. Long tail, and its lots of fun with a non-3d prop at high speed. Oddly, it waterfalls nicely without being cg'd back.
It does not have a "fun-fly" wing, and although it is forgiving you cant expect to get away with everything, it will snap out.
It's a very good looking plane in person

I'd say go for it... But go with a Saito 100/115 (when available), and definitely strong servos.

My guess is that the 55AX is not enough poop for 3d.
Prop'd right it would be ok for high speed stuff, but I doubt it would give much room for error in hover, regardless of prop.

But....
For the same $$ you could get a Funtana 100 with a O.S. 120ax - much bigger, same servos, fantastic vertical.
Food for thought.

In the end, unless you want to spend alot more money... I'd put the 55ax in a UCANDO or any one of the MOJO profiles - they will not let you down for 3d.
Personally... I've been craving this plane for my 46fx..
http://www.tmprousa.com/extra260p/index.html

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RE: True 3D plane for my OS 55ax? - 5/30/2008 3:28:16 PM   
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Reference:
"I've never heard that plane be described as "forgiving," which is exactly what you need to learn to 3D. "

the showtime is forgiving, I have one,not sure where you are getting that from...

Showtime is easy to fly, also...the one in the video is a showtime 90 with an O.S. 120 AX, not the showtime 50, Showtime 50 uses much smaller engine and servos,etc....

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RE: True 3D plane for my OS 55ax? - 5/30/2008 3:42:55 PM   
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Thanks Chuck. I'm glad you told me that. I've been misinformed, apparently. The few times I flew the ST it was forgiving, but it wanted to snap in upright harriers. I figured they said it was unforgiving because they flew more advanced 3D maneuvers than me (because it wasn't my plane I wasn't going to risk crashing) and saw flaws with it the more they did. I guess they just weren't very good pilots (I knew they weren't good, but didn't think they were bad). Come to think of it, one guy I that had one didn't stop talking about how great his was (a 50, that is).

Also, good point about not listening to someone who hasn't (or doesn't) own one. I was just saying what I've heard.

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RE: True 3D plane for my OS 55ax? - 5/30/2008 3:48:34 PM   
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Oh, I forgot to post this: http://www.tmproeurope.com/tmpro/p.asp?p=3
I've heard nothing but good reviews about it. It's the one Dashunde provided a link to. I almost bought one, but my LHS had a Tribute so I got it instead. Search for a thread on it, you might ask people that own it what they think.

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RE: True 3D plane for my OS 55ax? - 5/30/2008 5:58:10 PM   
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I wouldn't rule out the Great Planes Reactor. The biggest complaint with the Reactors has been some covering issues and a