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Putting together Classic Pattern Plane list - 5/30/2008 5:13:40 AM   
casniffer


 

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I'd like to compile a list of all classic pattern planes. I have combined my list of planes with the list of SPA legal planes from the www.seniorpattern.com website and have 324 names! This list will complement the image-base and eventually link with the pictures there (if it exists). I would appreciate everyone's help in making this list as complete as possible. I'd also like your input in determining the cut-off year for planes that qualify as classic. If you know of a plane that needs to be on the list, submissions can be made directly to this thread or using the guestbook link on the list page. Let me know if I need to make any corrections.
Classic Pattern Plane List
Thanks in advance.
CASniffer


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RE: Classic Pattern Plane list - 5/30/2008 11:39:01 AM   
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Peppermint Pattie is SPA legal, all versions.

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RE: Classic Pattern Plane list - 5/30/2008 4:10:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks WEDJ. I don't know how I missed that one. I started adding pictures on the right hand side so the page doesn't look so plain. I want it to look plane. ;-)

CAsniffer

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RE: Classic Pattern Plane list - 5/30/2008 5:15:40 PM   
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RE: Classic Pattern Plane list - 5/31/2008 2:12:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		# 220- The Pursuit - this is/isn't the mid 90s design by Sam Turner , right ? I thought it was only Ballistic Legal.

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RE: Putting together Classic Pattern Plane list - 5/31/2008 3:20:59 AM   
casniffer


 

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I got list of SPA legal planes from the seniorpattern.com website. There could be more than one version of a plane with the name Pursuit. Its difficult to be sure without pictures.

Thanks
CAsniffer

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RE: Putting together Classic Pattern Plane list - 5/31/2008 12:39:12 PM   
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see http://matt-rc.li/englisch/modelle/modelle.html

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RE: Putting together Classic Pattern Plane list - 5/31/2008 2:49:53 PM   
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Thanks for the link to Wolfgang and Roland Matt's website! I added all the planes up until 1996. I'm going to check out some of the links he has in the private section.

CASniffer

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RE: Putting together Classic Pattern Plane list - 6/1/2008 9:09:05 AM   
T Brooks


 

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Does the MK Beetle deserve to be on the list. Not SPA legal.

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RE: Classic Pattern Plane list - 6/1/2008 10:37:40 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Tex Gehman

How about the Dave Platt [Pica] Duellist?






Never was, isn't now and never will be a pattern ship.

Pattern ship does not mean, "wing on the bottom". It is a specific type of aircraft that was designed for pattern competition and designed by a pattern pilot/designer - not a scale designer. I.E., Maxey Hester, Dave Platt, etc.

If we keep broadening the rules to accept even this type of aircraft, we might as well drop the word "Pattern" from the Senior Pattern Association title.


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RE: Putting together Classic Pattern Plane list - 6/1/2008 12:25:34 PM   
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RE: Putting together Classic Pattern Plane list - 6/1/2008 1:08:01 PM   
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RE: Putting together Classic Pattern Plane list - 6/1/2008 2:34:31 PM   
casniffer


 

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The MK Beetle does deserve to be on the list. It doesn't have to be SPA legal...just classic pattern.

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RE: Putting together Classic Pattern Plane list - 6/1/2008 2:38:33 PM   
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designed by a pattern pilot/designer - not a scale designer. I.E., Maxey Hester, Dave Platt, etc.


Dave Platt has designed several pattern models. My first proper pattern model was his excellent Kingpin.

Here are the Duellist and Kingpin.

Ray





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RE: Putting together Classic Pattern Plane list - 6/1/2008 3:37:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Jack Sheeks, Hal DeBolt, and a boringly long list of other designers designed sport models with the "wing on the bottom". Not one of them is what anyone that has ever seriously competed in pattern would consider a true pattern model. More like "Best of Show" or "Best Finish" type models at public displays where someone's wing on the bottom alleged "pattern model" wins awards for finishes and innovations. Kind of like the display cars at auto shows, where none of them are ever expected to actually be driven. I am not saying that they weren't works of art. Nor am I saying that they were not representative of a lot of designer skill - but they just weren't patternships.

Patternships represent the state-of-the-art of a given time period. They are not defined by the sales hype that someone's marketing department has spun to get sport pilots all excited over the prospect of flying a prestigious patternship. This isn't that hard to decypher folks. Lots of the sport kits that were marketed as being patternships compared more to a .22 than 306 military rifle. Two completely different worlds. But, that's just my opinion.


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RE: Putting together Classic Pattern Plane list - 6/1/2008 4:26:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		I understand and agree with what you say Ed. A good pattern design would usually be designed by someone who competes sucessfully in competitions and develops his models over a period of time.

In defence of Dave Platt, not of course a specialist pattern designer, his Kingpin was pretty much state of the art in 1966 as it was basically a Taurus/Nimbus clone with a much simplified structure. It was flown in competition ( British Nationals) and speaking as someone who has "seriously competed in pattern" I considered it as good as anything available at that time. That was why I built it.

Ray

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