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kennydee -> RE: MLD-28 gasoline engine (4/30/2009 6:04 PM)

By the way, stuffing the muffler with steel wool is something we used to do when I rode Dirt Bikes (back in the day). Actually, the pots scourer would be what I'd try first (the stainless steel, not the plastic stuff). That material is coarse enough to limit back pressure but should yield a somewhat quieter muffler. Fine Steel Wool would probably be a little too restrictive. I think I will try the Pots Scourer stuff first and then maybe try very coarse steel wool. Also, based on my experience with steel wool in dirt bike mufflers, you would probably need to replace it more often.




Lazer -> RE: MLD-28 gasoline engine (4/30/2009 7:59 PM)

Ron at Southeast rc engines.com mentioned that they don't sell the XYZ engines because they were spending 3-4 hours on each one before selling. My comment here was what in the hell were they having to do to those engines that would take that long. He refused to say. Makes me believe these engines were in bad shape when they got them, had to assemble each one, or just that they were real picky.
On a side note, what seems to be the best servos, (torque, brand, etc.) to use on the wings for the Seagull Extra 260 1.80. I have some good and strong digital servos with metal gears and over 200 oz/in torque, but would love to find out what you (the pros) think or use.




jamesrxx951 -> RE: MLD-28 gasoline engine (4/30/2009 8:35 PM)

what is the wingspan of that extra. if it is in the 73" range hitec 5625's would be a good servo but if it is bigger i would just go with 7985's 172oz torque and .13 speed. i would try to stay with .15 or faster speed.




Lazer -> RE: MLD-28 gasoline engine (4/30/2009 8:56 PM)

71 inches @ 12 lbs. Thanks for responding.




jamesrxx951 -> RE: MLD-28 gasoline engine (4/30/2009 9:19 PM)

what servos do you already have? those 200 oz would be more than enough. if they are fairly fast i would just stick with those and save some money. i would think though that hitec 5625's would be enough for that airplane.it does have a higher wingloading so i would guess it is not a full 3d airplane but is aerobatic. so i can't see why the 5625's wouldn't work but i would just install the ones you already have and see how you like it. even 5645's they are slow at .18 speed but they are stronger that 5625's.




Lazer -> RE: MLD-28 gasoline engine (4/30/2009 11:55 PM)

Your correct about the servos I already have will work fine, I just was wondering what others were using.
Thanks again.




autoglide -> RE: MLD-28 gasoline engine (5/2/2009 6:04 PM)

OK Guys back in the air again. Just received the 28 back from Cermark (re:post #218) Eight days turn around time including transit back and forth Ohio! Not bad at all! The engine was not sucking fuel and unable to start. Well they fixed it! Don't know exactly what they did. The shop order say tuned engine. In any case just to let you all know of the fast turn around time. They have one happy customer, thanks Steve and the rest of the Cermark crew.

BTW tuming APC 18X8W 1700 idle 7500 top. Will love to try VESS, any suggestion on size? What is a good way to shut the engine off?

I'll be posting some pics of my build later.




Jimeni -> RE: MLD-28 gasoline engine (5/2/2009 8:39 PM)

An 18x6 Vess is perfect. Will get your RPM's up to about 8100, during break in at that.




Jimeni -> RE: MLD-28 gasoline engine (5/3/2009 5:21 AM)

Engine shut-off can be with a choke servo, or optical ignition kill. The optical is lighter, safer, and a nice little toy. http://www.cermark.com/products/SMART-FLY-Ignition-Cutoff.html




BarracudaHockey -> RE: MLD-28 gasoline engine (5/3/2009 3:20 PM)

I had to fly around in circles waiting for a dead stick when my throttle linkage came loose (A brillelli engine, not my MLD), the engine was just fast enough to fly, but too fast to land. Install something, other than the throttle servo, that will kill the engine.

It took 30 minutes to run out of fuel.




SERCE -> RE: MLD-28 gasoline engine (5/4/2009 3:16 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: kennydee

By the way, stuffing the muffler with steel wool is something we used to do when I rode Dirt Bikes (back in the day). Actually, the pots scourer would be what I'd try first (the stainless steel, not the plastic stuff). That material is coarse enough to limit back pressure but should yield a somewhat quieter muffler. Fine Steel Wool would probably be a little too restrictive. I think I will try the Pots Scourer stuff first and then maybe try very coarse steel wool. Also, based on my experience with steel wool in dirt bike mufflers, you would probably need to replace it more often.


Well, lets just say that we were happy that we had a lathe and a milling machine in our shop !
We spent many of cold nights this past winter, preparing these engines to meet our expectations and to market them in the USA.

They are good engines, but who ever decides to sell them in the US, better check their QC.

If they would have paid more attention to detail their quantity, it would have worked out.

And that's all I have to say about that , Forest !


We are continuing our research within the Chinese market, and "to focus on the
pilots that can not afford a $700 engine" in every large scale plane they own.

Ron

P.S. - Thanks to all who have supported us this past year.
For you are the reason we continue moving toward our quest.






leepord geko -> RE: MLD-28 gasoline engine (5/4/2009 4:38 AM)

I ran a xoar 17x6 and got 8600 and today after one gallon got 8100 on a apc 17x8, once fully broken in will probably go to a 17x10 carbonfibre mejlik. I might think about putting a walbro 600 or something basically the one thats on the evo 26, because this one is ok... but the transition could be better.

Later




jamesrxx951 -> RE: MLD-28 gasoline engine (5/4/2009 5:49 AM)

leepord what plane do you have that mld on? i was getting 8200 on a vess 18/6 so sounds like your numbers are going right along with everyone elses. so far i am really happy with this engine. i did have a hard time starting it yesterday though. heck i flipped it about 30 times and that was just after i told the people at the field how great this engine was. then i realized what was wrong i flipped the choke from on to off. oops[&:] put choke back on and started great.




leepord geko -> RE: MLD-28 gasoline engine (5/4/2009 7:41 AM)

I have it on a aeroworks yak 54 1.20 size same as jimeni. It pulls good but the carb issue is that lets say your coming out of a loop when you cut the power back it takes 3 secs to initiate that power change, and every gas engine pretty much uses walbro carbs its just these are the cheap line of carbs. Mine starts like a dream now just 3 flips with choke on and then one or two flips with choke off and it starts right up, in the beginning it sucked at starting pretty much you had to get out the electric starter. I hate apc for 2 reasons there heavy and they bite me, lol their source of nutrition is peoples digits! It was flying good with the 17x6 but needed more speed for IMAC. Plus I fly off of grass so I need the ground clearance of the 17" prop. Its a awesome engine for what I payed for it, shakes like hell on low idle but every single cylinder engine does (and yes my props are balanced). It should be sweet with some carbon fiber!

Later




kenhiraihnl -> RE: MLD-28 gasoline engine (5/4/2009 10:12 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: leepord geko

I ran a xoar 17x6 and got 8600 and today after one gallon got 8100 on a apc 17x8, once fully broken in will probably go to a 17x10 carbonfibre mejlik. I might think about putting a walbro 600 or something basically the one thats on the evo 26, because this one is ok... but the transition could be better.

Later


very interesting...i run a Mejzlik 19x10 with my xyz50 on a giant super sportster...very nice pull...looking forward to hearing about your experience with a 17x10 Mejzlik on the mld-28...i use a 17x10apc with my os1.60fx on an ultrasport1000...very nice pull also...my mld-28 has been backordered since march 19, and my ohio 300L w/ one-piece 72-in wing is waiting patiently for an engine...ken




xyzengine -> RE: MLD-28 gasoline engine (5/4/2009 12:42 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: XYZUSA


quote:

ORIGINAL: kennydee

By the way, stuffing the muffler with steel wool is something we used to do when I rode Dirt Bikes (back in the day). Actually, the pots scourer would be what I'd try first (the stainless steel, not the plastic stuff). That material is coarse enough to limit back pressure but should yield a somewhat quieter muffler. Fine Steel Wool would probably be a little too restrictive. I think I will try the Pots Scourer stuff first and then maybe try very coarse steel wool. Also, based on my experience with steel wool in dirt bike mufflers, you would probably need to replace it more often.


Well, lets just say that we were happy that we had a lathe and a milling machine in our shop !
We spent many of cold nights this past winter, preparing these engines to meet our expectations and to market them in the USA.

They are good engines, but who ever decides to sell them in the US, better check their QC.

If they would have paid more attention to detail their quantity, it would have worked out.

And that's all I have to say about that , Forest !


We are continuing our research within the Chinese market, and "to focus on the
pilots that can not afford a $700 engine" in every large scale plane they own.

Ron

P.S. - Thanks to all who have supported us this past year.
For you are the reason we continue moving toward our quest.





Sorry but we now have a TEAM to work on Quality control.
MLD is a wonderful engine(I have seen it before) powerful and good worth its price.
Our XYZ engine is another style lighter and looks beautiful.
Thay have their own feature.
Every one will have his own chioce.
PS, Our XYZ-26ccHP will be launched in May.But I have to say it's no comparability with MLD.MLD is a great engine,so does XYZ.

Carl




jamesrxx951 -> RE: MLD-28 gasoline engine (5/4/2009 3:15 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: leepord geko

I have it on a aeroworks yak 54 1.20 size same as jimeni. It pulls good but the carb issue is that lets say your coming out of a loop when you cut the power back it takes 3 secs to initiate that power change, and every gas engine pretty much uses walbro carbs its just these are the cheap line of carbs. Mine starts like a dream now just 3 flips with choke on and then one or two flips with choke off and it starts right up, in the beginning it sucked at starting pretty much you had to get out the electric starter. I hate apc for 2 reasons there heavy and they bite me, lol their source of nutrition is peoples digits! It was flying good with the 17x6 but needed more speed for IMAC. Plus I fly off of grass so I need the ground clearance of the 17" prop. Its a awesome engine for what I payed for it, shakes like hell on low idle but every single cylinder engine does (and yes my props are balanced). It should be sweet with some carbon fiber!

Later

almost sounds like the low end is to rich. how far have you leaned out the low end.my spool up is fast no issues at all.




Jimeni -> RE: MLD-28 gasoline engine (5/4/2009 7:46 PM)

My transition and spool up are perfect, no issues. I had to change the carb on the SPE 26 for that reason, but not on the MLD 28.




leepord geko -> RE: MLD-28 gasoline engine (5/4/2009 10:25 PM)

Transition is fine and so is spool up, its the coming off the power it will take a second to initiate that task but it only does this in the air and could also be because of prop load, trust me its the Chinese cheap walbro carbs and nothing else.




leepord geko -> RE: MLD-28 gasoline engine (5/5/2009 8:57 AM)

Also I forgot to mention that I found out how bad zingers really are because I ran a 18x6 zinger and got 7700rpm where you guys are getting 8100+ mind you you could be at a lower alt than 2200ft. I'm hoping that with amzoil sabre at 45:1 it will turn the 17x10 carbon fiber at 7500+, and I think that will be the final prop. Ken what was your os 160fx taching at with the 17x10 apc, because by my numbers I can assume a 17x10 would be around 7500 right now because the 17x8 was 8100.

Later




kenhiraihnl -> RE: MLD-28 gasoline engine (5/5/2009 9:15 AM)

hi leepord geko...here's an excerpt of my posting in the os1.60fx tach sub-forum:
"...mine (os1.60fx) is in a giant ss flown at sea level, stock muffler, 17x10apc, wildcat 15% w/ 18% syn lube, a5 plug, 7,950rpm..."
btw, i like the quietness of the stock os muffler, and i'm looking forward to stuffing the stock muffler on an mld-28s (when and if i ever get it from backorder)...ken




BarracudaHockey -> RE: MLD-28 gasoline engine (5/6/2009 2:24 AM)

Why would you run Amsoil at 45:1?


Here's the review that just came out

http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/article_display.cfm?article_id=1095




leepord geko -> RE: MLD-28 gasoline engine (5/6/2009 2:43 AM)

Ok right here (oil testing) Basically I don't want to be chipping off hard carbon when the power benefit isn't even there.
Many peoples opinions differ but I do it because I've seen the evidence of what happens if you run too lean.

Thanks for the link to the review!

Later




leepord geko -> RE: MLD-28 gasoline engine (5/6/2009 2:49 AM)

Also I am still running 32:1 lawnboy and I'm getting 8600 rpm with a xoar 17x6 first run, and he is running 100:1. Evolution personally has the best manuals and recommendations from what ive seen so I pretty much follow them.




kenhiraihnl -> RE: MLD-28 gasoline engine (5/6/2009 3:17 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BarracudaHockey

Why would you run Amsoil at 45:1?


Here's the review that just came out

http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/article_display.cfm?article_id=1095


andy...i bookmarked your outstanding build-review of the arf and engine!...your general and specific building tips will help a lot of guys with their own great-flying quarter-scaler...ken




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