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alloy baja clutch carrier - 6/20/2008 12:39:07 PM   
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Status: online 		i need a good alloy carrier for my 5b , for my motor thats running 7HP plus . whats a beetter option the vertigo carrier or the GH carrier , or the other alloy models , personally i dont think the three bolt carrier is gonna hold up to a beating and might flex under load
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RE: alloy baja clutch carrier - 6/20/2008 12:44:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		The python (ADA) one is enclosed and therefore protected from sand which ruins the clutch, but if you don't run in sand, I guess one of the open ones would be just as good. However, if I was you (and I too will be buying one of these for my next part, so I've been doing some research), I would get one that has the 4 bolt mounting as you say, and also incorporates the engine mount on that side of the car (the python is the only one that I am sure about that does all this, but there may be others).

EDIT: PS. The python one also includes pressed in bearings.

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RE: alloy baja clutch carrier - 6/20/2008 1:21:48 PM   
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Status: online 		im liking the full billet ONE piece 4bolt design from vertigo , is this gonna help pull away heat from the bell and pinion

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RE: alloy baja clutch carrier - 6/20/2008 1:34:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm a fan of the Vertigo cover/carrier, its just $10 more then the ADA one, both include bearings and I know Vertigo supply quality ABEC5's with theirs, ADA's appear to be cheap chinese made ones.

Not only was it the original but it is also better designed imo, its cooling fins ensure the bearings are kept cool, the rear vent keeps the CB cool and ensures long clutch & spring life while being positioned at the rear does not allow dirt in but allows you to easily remove clutch dust with a can of compressed air without having to take anything apart, which again plays towards low maintenance which is the whole idea with a clutch cover (excess clutch dust causes slippage which inturn causes heat and can't be good for bearings).

Vertigo has always been an advocate of improving the rear engine mounts and this encorporates this into the cover, ADA copied that but Ramtech's carrier/cover dosn't have an engine mount so also keep that in mind.

Here's links to the products:

$79 Vertigo http://www.davesmotors.com/store/product2622.html
$69 ADA http://www.davesmotors.com/store/product2613.html
$83 Ramtech http://www.davesmotors.com/store/product2689.html least amount of thought in this design but the highest price tag...

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RE: alloy baja clutch carrier - 6/20/2008 1:35:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		I hear its a very good unit too, but I'm not sure why you highlighted in capital 'ONE piece', they're all one piece, aren't they? Anyway, does the vertigo one incorporate the side engine mount? I guess since it's 4 bolt, it must do.

Hm, another one for me to think about. As for heat, if I remember rightly, the vertigo one has deep ribbing on the side to act like a heat sink, so from that perspective, it's probably a good choice. The python one is smooth and almost completely enclosed. I heard people expressing concerns about heat build up from the clutch when they first saw the product, but I haven't heard any reports of excess heat from users of the python one, so I guess it wasn't correct in the end.

EDIT: Now I've seen the links above posted by LW, I must say the VP one does look like a good choice, it's a pretty part. Doesn't look like it will provide the same level of protection from sand with that gaping hole in the front (which I assume is to aid cooling, so for non-sand runners like myself, is a 'good thing'), and I see it incorporates the engine mount.

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RE: alloy baja clutch carrier - 6/20/2008 1:52:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Actually when its mounted the hole is in the rear. I'm a regular at the beach with my baja and don't have any problem with the cover collecting sand. Check out this CAD picture, you'll see how it all mounts up:




The "One-peice" term was first coined by Vertigo when they brought out their new design, back then your option was a seperate CB cover, CB mount and engine mount so to do the same required 3 seperate peices with a higher totalling price tag.

Another point for the weight concious is that the VP design is lighter then the ADA one and the Vertigo unit boasts full conpatibilty with all available aftermarket clutch-bells which the other two do not.

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RE: alloy baja clutch carrier - 6/20/2008 4:07:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		The RAMTech carrier is the easiest to install in the field when installing new clutches, since you don't have to take the engine mount screw out. The RAMTech one is the lightest of the bunch, and has been proven over a year in conjuction with the Modifier cover. You can be assured the high HP engines work well with this piece.

The RAMTech cover/holder does not work with the Turtle Aluminum bell, but most people looking to run in the dunes or dusty conditions aren't running an Aluminum bell anyway.

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RE: alloy baja clutch carrier - 6/20/2008 9:40:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Foxy, the hole in the rear of the VP cover doesn't let dirt in at all.
The cover works with the Turtle Aluminium bell

John Schultz from Rock Concepts tested our cover in the sand hills for 4 months with great results
We tested it in the wet sand and dirt for several months with favorable results.

That gaping hole you speak of is tucked up with the brake assembly where dirt doesn't get, without that hole the cover would lose some features.
Cooling of bell
Ease of blowing clutch dust out
larger ID so that all clutch bells fit
Other covers have approx 1mm between bell and cover which doesn't let allot of air movement, the VP cover has plenty of room in there for air exchange.
One final thing is that the cover protects the clutch without excess heat build up thus meaning less maintenance and a better chance of not having to replace the clutch in the field.
Coupled with our new clutch bell it is a very "Cool" combination



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RE: alloy baja clutch carrier - 6/20/2008 10:07:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: vertigo performance

That gaping hole you speak of is tucked up with the brake assembly where dirt doesn't get, without that hole the cover would lose some features.



I understand, thanks for the correction. I'm definitely considering your carrier, its yours or the Python, and I have a couple more weeks to decide anyway.

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RE: alloy baja clutch carrier - 6/21/2008 12:44:53 AM   
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Status: online 		the carrier im talking about in a ONE piece for bolt design is the VERTIGO $79 , i think that this is gonna be the better option , as part of its open , other option is that ADA but i dont like how its completely closed off , the three bolt alloy desigins same as stock design i think will fail in my application with the heavy horsepower the carrier might flex under load against the pinion and spur as i have proof by looking at my pinion teeth are all mashed and twisted on one side the outer side is sort of okay but with the rest of the teeth are becoming razor blades lol

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RE: alloy baja clutch carrier - 6/21/2008 1:36:28 AM   
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RE: alloy baja clutch carrier - 6/21/2008 5:16:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: vertigo performance

Foxy, the hole in the rear of the VP cover doesn't let dirt in at all.
The cover works with the Turtle Aluminium bell

John Schultz from Rock Concepts tested our cover in the sand hills for 4 months with great results
We tested it in the wet sand and dirt for several months with favorable results.

That gaping hole you speak of is tucked up with the brake assembly where dirt doesn't get, without that hole the cover would lose some features.
Cooling of bell
Ease of blowing clutch dust out
larger ID so that all clutch bells fit
Other covers have approx 1mm between bell and cover which doesn't let allot of air movement, the VP cover has plenty of room in there for air exchange.
One final thing is that the cover protects the clutch without excess heat build up thus meaning less maintenance and a better chance of not having to replace the clutch in the field.
Coupled with our new clutch bell it is a very "Cool" combination



Are these bells being sold at DDM

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RE: alloy baja clutch carrier - 6/21/2008 5:31:01 AM   
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RE: alloy baja clutch carrier - 6/21/2008 9:12:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		They are also on there way to us for the ozzies that like to shop local and save on international postage fees.

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