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Low Flying, lifting body,single channel 1/2A Seaplane p... - 6/22/2008 10:12:01 PM   
Max_Power



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Okay,okay...So I'm stretching the truth a bit. Its not actually a seaplane, But after a month+ stuck in this hotel, The Dumas "Lil' Swamp Buggy" is close enough to me.... , Besides, after a hour of looking at the LHS I couldn't find a plane small enough to build up a wing on the surface area I have available or that I thought I could complete with the tools and supplies I have with me or could easily purchase and have a spare. I hope the moderator and you guys allow this somewhat off topic post in this forum because:

1. It IS 1/2A afterall. 2. I searched RCU and was unable to find any posts on this thing in the appropriate forum, where they probably arent well versed in 1/2a anyway. 3. It may end up with wings by the time I complete it. And 4. I know since I've drooled over it in the hobby catalog since I was 12 that at least one of you cool cats has considered building one, And that this might be the spot that this kind of cool 1/2a hack might be appreciated! I promise there will be no Lite Machines helicopter or micro nitro buggy threads following.

So, have any of you guys tried out one of these before? A customer at the LHS said he had one many years ago and was a blast! I'm planning on adding a 2nd channel for throttle and either using a Big Mig , or a AP .061(I need to figure out how these will fare in a pusher setup) worse case, It'll stick in a throttle exhaust sure start with a golden prop hub. I wonder why they did'nt just turn the engine around? I've only broken into the kit for now, And am compiling a list of tools to snag from my toolbox at work tomorrow. I saw a spare ceiling tile in the back room...plenty of emery cloth by the lathe, And will pick up a roll of wax-paper tomorrow on the way home. I'm really excited about building this thing! It looks like a lot of fun on a small pond or maybe even snow or ice?(Me from Texas, not know frictional property of lake gone cold or rain that falls slowly and pile up) And its not such a big project that I'll have to finish it out before I start pinning wood to the sweet set of plans I got from CP before I started packing for my relocation.

Any experiences with this thing guys? Am I gonna have to trim a prop-hub and put a steel washer in a AP or Norvie to run it as a pusher? What percentage of guests at my hotel will I aggrivate by running this thing in the ditch out front? Will I ever get to see my planes and tools again??? Be sure to tune in next time for the eye-burning, flipping finger lacerating answers on "As The Nitro Burns" Todd

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RE: Low Flying, lifting body,single channel 1/2A Seapla... - 6/22/2008 11:48:40 PM   
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Had one, (20 years ago now...) lots of fun!
Mine had a reed valve COX and a 3-blade pusher prop.
Not super fast, but very maneuverable and fun to "wake jump".
Dave

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RE: Low Flying, lifting body,single channel 1/2A Seapla... - 6/22/2008 11:53:42 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Max_Power
... Am I gonna have to trim a prop-hub and put a steel washer in a AP or Norvie to run it as a pusher? What percentage of guests at my hotel will I aggrivate by running this thing in the ditch out front? Will I ever get to see my planes and tools again??? Be sure to tune in next time for the eye-burning, flipping finger lacerating answers on "As The Nitro Burns" Todd


Todd,

The Norvel has a washer, not sure about the AP. You will need a pusher prop.

Another solution would be to run a Sure Start backwards using a standard prop. But, without a muffler you will likely aggravate all of the other guests. Perhaps another ditch?


Good luck,

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RE: Low Flying, lifting body,single channel 1/2A Seapl... - 6/23/2008 1:41:50 AM   
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If you are not overly concerned with the all-up weight,
seeing that this thing dont go up,
you might try placing some sound dampening "panels" around the engine. Just how much airflow does it need for cooling, vs having the sound bounce off a couple of styro/depron/mousepad/whatever walls before heading toward folk's ears.

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RE: Low Flying, lifting body,single channel 1/2A Seapl... - 6/23/2008 2:52:12 AM   
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I had forgot about the Norvels having a washer..I guess that means they are good to go for a pusher? Funny how many little things I forget when they arent sitting in front of me. Even though the hotel rules say NOTHING about 1/2A noise..I guess seeing as I am now in the land of 10,000 lakes I could see fit to drive a few hundred yards to the next body of water. Fritzke, that wasnt you I met at Hub's today was it? I had a chance to check out the "Sodbusters" field and a few others you referred me to before I came to MN. All nice fields and nice folks...And no matter what the Sodbusters guys say, I DID NOT scream "What the heck was that thing" like a little girl when the first chipmunk I've ever seen darted between my legs!!(I just use that voice to avoid disturbing small creatures) I'll keep you guys posted on the build and get some pics soon, Todd

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RE: Low Flying, lifting body,single channel 1/2A Seapl... - 6/23/2008 4:04:24 PM   
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Todd,

Back in the mid fifties (year, not age) I built a critter from Flying Models, I think it was called the Wave Hopper. It used a Thermal Hopper in a pusher configuration for power. No controls, just fire it up and let it go. Lotsa fun, went airborne (and flopped around) a few times.

George

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RE: Low Flying, lifting body,single channel 1/2A Seapla... - 6/23/2008 8:39:43 PM   
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<It may end up with wings by the time I complete it.>

Do it! Sounds like a candidate for the Spirit of SMALL award at Little Rock in 2009!

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RE: Low Flying, lifting body,single channel 1/2A Seapl... - 6/24/2008 5:08:03 AM   
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A swamp buggy....

This must be how the vast and mighty Roman Empire fell from their position of power and wealth. Lowering themselves to the old world equivalent of a swamp buggy......


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RE: Low Flying, lifting body,single channel 1/2A Seapl... - 6/24/2008 1:40:29 PM   
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I never built one of these, but over the years I have built several airboats using store-bought foam flutterboards. There was a standard size and a big one. I used the small guys, and built everything from .049 powered free "flight boats" (several over the years) that I would run on lakes, ponds, rivers even, and on snow where they work great. My first R/C one used a Medallion .09 and single channel on the air rudder, and I could easily turn 360's in the river and so was free to scoot around as much as I wanted. It needed more power though, so on went an OS .15 with throttle, now we're getting somewhere! Great on water, you could drive it up the beach a bit but would often hang up, on grass it generally would bop about fine and steer. Snow, no prob. But more power was needed yet, so the next one sported a .25. Aha! Now we're cooking with gas.. and catching air under the nose and doing the occasional end-over. Some weight up front cured that, and now it would tear across the water, turn tighter than you would imagine without flipping, drive right over sand and pebbles and grass easily. A couple of coats of poly-u on the "hull" helped lower friction and toughen the skin a bit.

Point is... air boats are a pile of fun! The added benefit is you can hand one to someone who doesn't fly, show them how it works, and they'll do fine with a little supervision at first. Or race two of them. Okay, 72 megs on the ground and all that, but I have spent my life in the country and felt no qualms at using my older RC equipment in these, rather than put it out to pasture. An aircraft Tx is fine, throttle left, rudder on the right works the best for me.

Hmm.. I have one somewhere with the equipment out of it, I'll snap a couple of pics and post them. But darn it, I cannot find these anymore. For those of you in Canuckland, I used to get the flutterboards at Canadian Tire, but now they only have those fabric covered things that aren't shaped right for this.

MJD

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RE: Low Flying, lifting body,single channel 1/2A Seapl... - 6/24/2008 2:18:53 PM   
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I have one a friend bought at a yard sale, thinking I would like it, never have built it....Rog

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RE: Low Flying, lifting body,single channel 1/2A Seapl... - 6/24/2008 4:26:22 PM   
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I have one a friend bought at a yard sale, thinking I would like it, never have built it....Rog


Well then, you best let it go to eager hands - how much?

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RE: Low Flying, lifting body,single channel 1/2A Seapl... - 6/24/2008 5:37:59 PM   
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I made a 1/2A Swamp Buggy fly on a regular basis as a local county park lake. Good thing they had canoe rentals.

Took me a bit to figure the thrust dynamics on that one. Funny thing, I had a lot more success with a hydroplane built out of the early 50s Boy Mechanic (Boy Maniac in my house). The county park rangers really didn't appreciate long full power runs around the fountainhead at an otherwise quiet park... How did I ever manage that on my budget? Must have been cheaping out at the hobbyshop for the expensive stuff. No good Dumas products for me.. all cheap ersatz copies made from scrap for me. No wonder my stuff blew up on a regular basis.

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