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RE: Ed Kazmurski's Taurus - 4/16/2010 6:26 PM   
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Enter that number into the search bar on the world's biggest auction/flea market site. It could also be found by searching at the same site for ''Taurus Giant Scale RC Kit New in Box''

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One more try to find this reference. I don't know what that is, or where to find it. Is this common knowledge?

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RE: Ed Kazmurski's Taurus - 5/23/2010 8:10 AM   
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Quotation from Cees Wester from his thread:

Simla, third Taurus and most modern contest Taurus ever, special designed for proportional radio and the pattern program of the period 1965 and later.
All airfoils are fully sheeted and the plane is designed for a side mounted 0.60 cu / 10 cc engine.
On the picture, my copy of the Simla of Ed Kazmirkski, one of the Simla’s of the past and of course also a Detroit winner. This is a “study picture”, so this Simla deliberately does NOT fit in original pictures!! In the future I will prove, it is a whisper of a penny to build the exact copy,
For me it will be again an interesting process of learning and combine all kind of methods to do my hobby, rebuild the original pattern planes.
With “one of the Simla’s of the past”, I ask the special attention for the fact, there were more Simla’s!!

Angles do not play with us, we play with angles.

We do not find a development story of the Simla, but did the plane drop of the air? No again of course not! The design process of the Simla did already start with the realization of the Oldest Taurus on Earth, spring, summer 1961. That’s the reason the crate of Africa is also the cradle of the Simla. What’s my profit? I know any detail of that crate and so also the cradle of the Simla and do not have to guess or make choices as others have to, so angles do not play with us but we play with angles.

I've been reading with great interest the writings of "Professor Cees" about the Simla. We would have welcomed his contribution several months ago when we were looking for help in getting the photo image down on paper, but I can understand that he is not really a team player by nature and prefers to work alone. Now that it looks like he is developing his own Simla, we welcome whatever he is willing to share with us. We have already freely shared Ed Kazmirski's personal photos of the Simla with him.

Our goal is to make the most accurate copy of Ed's original Simla as possible. To do that, we sought the help of anyone willing to work with us. We will certainly adjust our plane if it can be shown there is a way to improve it, so I look forward to having him share his methods with us as he has promised. In the meantime, work is proceeding on the prototypes. We have chosen to keep the wraps on most of the work until we have something concrete to show or display.

I agree with Cees in one area. Our Simla is NOT an exact duplication of Ed's in that we are trying to duplicate the "planform"...not every internal mechanical detail. To be totally authentic, Cees or anyone else would have to use a maple block with three sets of holes to make the adjustable wings, and heavy nuts and bolts to clamp down on the wing tubes to hold them in place. There certainly is a place for an absolutely authentic replica, but that was never our goal. We have chosen 2 degrees dihedral, and will use either an aluminum or carbon fiber tube in place of the heavy maple block. We will not have adjustable incidence in the prototypes like the original had. And yes, we will use modern radios.

There were at least two modifications of the Simla we know about that Ed made over time affecting aileron width and wingspan. We have chosen to reproduce the plane after the FIRST modification. This was the state the plane was in when the most famous World Engines ad appeared, (see below). Someone could also choose to produce the Simla with a 96" wingspan as it was during the 1965 NATS. The choice is up to the builder, and the different building options will be explained to any future Simla builders.

I would like to report that there are big things to talk about "around the corner", but it's too early to talk about them...just stay tuned and be patient. This thread is not going away anytime soon.

All the best

Duane

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RE: Ed Kazmurski's Taurus - 5/23/2010 6:06 PM   
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RE: Ed Kazmurski's Taurus - 5/24/2010 12:27 AM   
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A bit of a tease for you lads, the Simla's are moving along.


You call tht a "tease"...how about this:

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RE: Ed Kazmurski's Taurus - 5/24/2010 10:20 AM   
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RE: Ed Kazmurski's Taurus - 5/24/2010 3:45 PM   
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RE: Ed Kazmurski's Taurus - 7/1/2010 11:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hey Duane, did that article of yours get published? I was thinking that if you could post a pdf of it here for those of us without immediate access to the publication it would be a fitting round-up of the available information. Would also lift this thread back to the 'public eye' and might even generate a bit more forgotten info. Just a thought.
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RE: Ed Kazmurski's Taurus - 7/1/2010 4:48 PM   
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Hey Duane, did that article of yours get published? I was thinking that if you could post a pdf of it here for those of us without immediate access to the publication it would be a fitting round-up of the available information. Evan.


Evan, are you a prophet? Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel.........Evan

It's interesting that you should come up with this post at this time. At this time all I can do is predict that there should be a great deal more activity on the Ed Kazmirski's Taurus thread in the near future. Why?.....well I can't say quite yet, but those able to read between the lines might figure it out.

The first of the three Simla prototypes is well on its way to completion, (basic construction), with the other two a few weeks behind.



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RE: Ed Kazmurski's Taurus - 7/1/2010 9:24 PM   
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That tailwheel set-up is just a cryin' shame.
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RE: Ed Kazmurski's Taurus - 7/7/2010 8:46 AM   
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This thread started two years ago with the announcement of Ed's personal Taurus going on the auction block. What started as a simple announcement turned into a long-term study of Ed, and the Taurus, (and it's offspring such as the Simla).

It occurred to me that more people than just us on this thread should know about Ed and his contributions to modeling, so I took it upon myself to write and submit an article to Model Aviation magazine that summarizes this thread, and highlights the modeling career and model designs of Ed Kazmirski. I wanted as many people as possible to know the early history of RC pattern and Ed's role in it, and I hope people, (regardless of their age and time in RC modeling) will know more about pattern's "golden age" because of the article.

Model Aviation originally only wanted 400 words for their "In the Air" section. After a little lobbying to editor Michael Ramsey, he agreed to accept the full article some months ago. It will appear in the AUGUST issue of Model Aviation . Michael chose the simple title "KAZ", and I agreed.

Ed was RC pattern's, (and RC in general) first "superstar" in the truest sense of the word. He traveled the world promoting RC and pattern, was on TV, wrote articles, and even demonstrated RC at major league baseball games. The story of how the Taurus came about from early prototypes to Ed's large-scale Simla, is an interesting one...I hope more people will try out this wonderful plane and discover that it not only can fly pattern, but makes a great sport plane...even a low wing trainer due to its qualities as a slower-flying, very stable aircraft that is nearly impossible to stall.

There was a certain amout of controversey contained within the thread as we "haggled" about which Taurus was the oldest, and exactly when the Taurus was designed. The controversey was purposely de-emphasized in my article...I wanted to focus on Ed and the Taurus, not on our little squabbles. I even believe that Cees Wester from the Netherlands would enjoy this article since it puts the spotlight on Ed and his Taurus where it belongs.

There has been a "core group" of contributors from around the world, (you know who you are), who have greatly contributed to the information found (like little gems) within the thread. This same core group came together to form to development group for the current "Simla project". BTW..The prototypes for the Simla kit are taking shape...there will be more about the Simla in the future.

I am very grateful to Model Aviation for publishing Ed's and the Taurus's story in an era where there seemingly isn't a great deal of interest in history, and nearly "instant" ARFs rule the flight lines. The days of "seat of your pants" design, and beautifully hand-crafted from "scratch" models seem to have nearly disappeared, but maybe there will be a resurgance of interest as people develop a sense of modeling history.

I hope you enjoy the article....it should be in your hands in the next couple weeks...

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RE: Ed Kazmurski's Taurus - 7/7/2010 11:30 AM   
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RE: Ed Kazmurski's Taurus - 7/7/2010 11:55 AM   
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Simla kit and plan - would be interesting to build one when it is released. I have a Top Flite Orion and Taurus already so a Simla would be nice to build and fly.

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RE: Ed Kazmurski's Taurus - 7/13/2010 4:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		I had four days off last week, and a major project was construction of the left wing panel. After the four days the panel was nearly completed...for me 4 days for a wing panel is fast, (especially considering one panel is 49 inches long). There is still a lot to do, but now all the main components are either completed or are well on their way. Only the fuselage needs to be finished and shaped.

I'd like to remind everyone that this is the first time Jeff has had to completely engineer a kit from the plans up, and I'm pleased to say the parts have fit very well, and the kit goes together smoothly.

We are hoping for a first flight sometime in August. I'll post a picture later.

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RE: Ed Kazmurski's Taurus - 7/14/2010 7:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		The pictures above are of the left plug-in wing panel from the Simla prototype kit. Notice the spars show the weight in grams. Because the engine is side-mounted, I put the heaviest wing pieces from the kit on the left wing panel to lessen the amount of weight that will have to be added later to balance laterally.

On this model a carbon-fiber wing tube was used. Ed's original arrangement for his plug-in wings was an aluminum plug in the wing held tightly by a solid maple block in the fuselage with a slit, and bolts to hold things together. It is hoped that using modern building methods, (that Ed would use if he were building it now), will save some weight. You can bet that Ed's balsa selection was crucial when building his original Simla; we didn't have wood quite as light for our kit prototypes.

The "light" right panel weighs 1lb 1.4oz, and the left panel weighs 1lb 2.5oz

A 1/4" nylon bolt will hold each wing panel to the fuselage, (see the bolt holding to the jig). There are 17 ribs placed roughly 3" apart. The first few ribs supporting the landing gear are 1/16 ply or balsa/ply combinations. The ply ribs had lightening holes cut in them after te fact. The kit ribs will probably have the holes pre-cut.

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RE: Ed Kazmurski's Taurus - 7/21/2010 4:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am very grateful to Model Aviation for publishing Ed's and the Taurus's story in an era where there seemingly isn't a great deal of interest in history, and nearly "instant" ARFs rule the flight lines. The days of "seat of your pants" design, and beautifully hand-crafted from "scratch" models seem to have nearly disappeared, but maybe there will be a resurgance of interest as people develop a sense of modeling history.

I hope you enjoy the article....it should be in your hands in the next couple weeks...

I hope everyone sees the article in the new August Model Aviation based on this thread. I hope you enjoy it, and I welcome comments. Hopefully new information first-hand accounts, and pictures will come out of this effort, as Ed Kazmirski is presented to a new generation of modelers, and the old generation is motivated to look through their archives of pictures for something useful to the knowledge base contained here.

RC pattern is now old enough to have its own history of colorful characters and aircraft designs. Let's talk about it here.
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RE: Ed Kazmurski's Taurus - 7/24/2010 1:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		I received my Model Aviation, today, and it brought back so many memories of my childhood.
I thought ED , "Kaz" murski was just too cool for school! He had that hair, and those way cool RayBan's. I was 8 in 63 and had just moved with my Army family to Italy. We had no TV, and I read and read many things. My Dad had been involved in RC for a couple of years and I remember that just making a successful flight was something to be proud of! And aerobatics have always inriqued me..

The bunny rabbit on the tail of the plane is a "Playboy Bunny" sticker, the Men's magazine....I couldn't read past page 10 of the thread without jumping past the rest. Sewing hinges was common, they work great!

Watching that film of the '63 Internats was funny, Man I thought those guys flew better than that! But , then I remember the radios they were using and guess they did pretty good.
Back on the earlier pages there was a question about what they thought was a piece of tape on the tail under the stab., That could be a door or hatch cut in the tail for an earlier design "Esacpemant" radio....I remember my Dad's earliest radios had "Galloping Ghost" escapements radios, and you needed a way to get to the rubberbands strung down the fuselage that powered the "servos".

SUPER ARTICLE, Duane, Man it was a great read!!!

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RE: Ed Kazmurski's Taurus - 7/24/2010 7:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nice job on the article. I'm just one of the guys who has sat and watched this all unfold. I saw that Taurus show up on Ebay, my wife didn't think it was such a big deal. Obviously, she was wrong. My favorite part of the article was the thought that the Pusher still may be out there somewhere. I would like to see more of you guys out there flying these planes on Youtube. I have a Taurus, Orion and another Taurus. How about more footage for us guys who are just sitting back and watching. Great article in MA. Maybe it will provide more contributers and the whereabouts of that PUSHER.

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RE: Ed Kazmurski's Taurus - 7/25/2010 5:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Duane, Great Job. Superb article in August "Model Aviation" The era of Kazmirski, Jim Kirkland, Tom Brett, Harold De Bolt and others was the Golden Era of modern day aerobatics. You have helped capture a beautiful segment of that time. I was very fortunate to be with many of these notable pilot's at the "Detroit Invitational" in 1963, 64 and 65. If some of the people reading these tributes to Duane for his EXCELLENT "KAZ" article have not requested a FREE DVD from me, I am still sending them out to who ever wants one. All I ask for, is the cost of the shipping to you. You determine that cost after you receive the DVD. I will need your shipping address. Again, Duane, Great Job and thanks to your dedication to this GREAT HOBBY. Col. Chuck Winter

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RE: Ed Kazmurski's Taurus - 7/26/2010 4:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, for those who have not seen Chuck's DVD, it is tremendous to see vintage home movies of the great pattern pioneers of RC. It is also so "cool" to see the planes actually "fire-up" and fly...I'm so used to seeing still pictures. These home movies are RARE glimpses of that time. To think that these guys actually did fun events like "combat" and "limbo" with their now "classic" planes is interesting to watch.

I had a little trouble convincing Model Aviation editor Michael Ramsey of the need to do an article based on vintage pattern, and the evolution of the Taurus. If you enjoyed the article, why not drop a quick note or e-mail to Michael telling him of your interest; it is the only way he can judge the level of interest out there in "R/C Land."

Thanks everyone for the notes, and this was the thread that inspired it. I "double-dawg dare you" to reread it again from the beginning.

BTW-There is a magical time in the building of a balsa model when the boxy awkward-looking fuselage becomes transformed into something that looks like an airplane. That day is the day the rough sanding is done, and all those balsa blocks take on the shape of a model. Such was the case over this past weekend with my SIMLA prototype. The photos will show for sure, but I think we have a real beautiful airplane coming together that accurately re-creates Ed's Simla.

The nose of the Simla is open on one side and the bottom...a fact I didn't even notice for a long time. We debated among ourselves whether of not we should leave it open like Ed did, or enclose the nose. At least two of us have opted to do it like Ed with the open nose section. Now that I've done it that way, I love the way everything is open and accessible. I'll post a picture later.

We are in the "home-stretch" now.

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RE: Ed Kazmurski's Taurus - 7/27/2010 6:11 AM   
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RE: Ed Kazmurski's Taurus - 8/6/2010 9:13 PM   
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The Simla(s) constructon is on the "home stretch", and are almost to the point where the plane can be put together and compared to all the existing photos for accuracy. We recently ran into a small snag in the form of a descrepancy in the angles of the vertical fin that led me to modify the fin I have already built to increase the rudder hinge angle, (that's what prototypes are for). Fin height appears to be accurate.

This part of the plane is not displayed well in the photos, (see attachment), and we will probably never have a precise measurement of the various fin angles, but we've taken some new measurements and think we are getting much closer. The new fin is much improved...the difference being easy to see. Since we don't know the exact angles, two of us have decided to try two different rudder hinge angles, and compare to the photos later. This will give us a very good approximation for the final Simla plan when it is "tweaked" later before making it available.

The rest of the model is looking very good compared to the photos to the best of our knowledge. We may be able to post a pre-covering photo soon.

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RE: Ed Kazmurski's Taurus - 8/11/2010 12:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just to step back in time a bit, don't know if these photos have been here before, but a couple of interesting looks, the shortish bloke with the tranny is Doc Brooke, the really young guy kneeling by the Orion is a well known pattern Champ, and I believe the piccies date from 1963 when Doc was at the World Champs in Belgium. The Taurus is really interesting, it looks a bit short and tall to be a Top Flite version, but looks really close to my 'PCM' version. Just how far did those original Taurus drawings get?
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RE: Ed Kazmurski's Taurus - 8/16/2010 4:03 PM   
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Just to step back in time a bit, don't know if these photos have been here before, but a couple of interesting looks, the shortish bloke with the tranny is Doc Brooke, the really young guy kneeling by the Orion is a well known pattern Champ......
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The guy kneeling is the same guy standing in the center of the other picture, but I don't recognize him. Who is he?

If this picture was taken in Belgium in 1963, the Top Flite Taurus kit would have been out for 1/2 a year by then

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RE: Ed Kazmurski's Taurus - 8/16/2010 4:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yesterday, after a weekend of mounting the fin and working on details, the first pictures of the Simla were taken in the last bit of daylight, (or as the sun was rising in NZ). The poses were intended to be similar to the now familiar poses of Kaz, (or his assistant) holding the original Simla. Other than the position of the airplane, no other similarity is intended. It was hot and especially humid, and I am considerably older, (and much more desheveled-looking) than Kaz was for his professional shoot back in 1965. My patient assistant is my wife Penny, (who happen to be about the same height as the teen-ager in Ed's photos).

After looking at these first comparison photos, I can see some immediate changes than can be made by sanding, and there will no doubt be minor design changes before the final plans are finished.

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RE: Ed Kazmurski's Taurus - 8/16/2010 7:11 PM   
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