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I am new to tanks and am building the Tamiya full option Pershing. Other than the olive green where can I find other colors that they have been painted.
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They were painted Olive Drab, same color as WWII. Often referred to US Quartermaster Number 22, Olive Drab Number 9, and A/N 319. 3 colors, one name. By 1956 it had a new name, 34087. This refers to Lusterless Olive Drab, not the later semi-gloss OD.
If you're doing a Zebra Mission, WW2 Pershing, some of them had wide bands of black for camouflage.
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The HL Pershing is a korean War era model and the color is fairly close. (Army) If you want to take it back to WW II, there are some modification that should be made as well as a repaint...Model Master`1911 is a good color. Korean War colors, both in uniform and vehicles were a bit greener than WW II, although many vehicles did retain the older colors until they were pulled in for complete overhaul. Cold war got even greener into Vietnam with many changes being made in color combinations until the final NATO green went world wide.
Swathdiver mentioned operation Zebra...this was WW~ II..20 T-26E3 Pershings arrived in Belgium on 9 Feb and committed to battle on 28 March 45. James where did you see any pics of Pershings with black/OD camo?
PCOMM; Don't know where Pedinghouse got that info, but of all the units engaged in Army Operations Ripper and Killer in April/May 1951, NONE had M-26 Pershings and no Pershing ever wore the tiger markings. Army units had just received the new M-46 Pattons (73d Tk Bn 7 ID & 6th Tk Bn 24 ID) , other vehicles included M-4A3E8s, M-24 Chafees and M-19 Copperheads. Someone a while ago used Jim Meskos "Armor in Korea" book as a reference, but that picture on page 59 shows M-46 Pattons, mislabeled as M-26 Pershings. Pedinghouse decals are of 1st Marine Div, and I do not believe they participted in Killer or Ripper. If anyone has documentation to the contrary, please advise.
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The HL Pershing is a korean War era model and the color is fairly close. (Army) If you want to take it back to WW II, there are some modification that should be made as well as a repaint...Model Master`1911 is a good color. Korean War colors, both in uniform and vehicles were a bit greener than WW II, although many vehicles did retain the older colors until they were pulled in for complete overhaul. Cold war got even greener into Vietnam with many changes being made in color combinations until the final NATO green went world wide.
Swathdiver mentioned operation Zebra...this was WW~ II..20 T-26E3 Pershings arrived in Belgium on 9 Feb and committed to battle on 28 March 45. James where did you see any pics of Pershings with black/OD camo?
PCOMM; Don't know where Pedinghouse got that info, but of all the units engaged in Army Operations Ripper and Killer in April/May 1951, NONE had M-26 Pershings and no Pershing ever wore the tiger markings. Army units had just received the new M-46 Pattons (73d Tk Bn 7 ID & 6th Tk Bn 24 ID) , other vehicles included M-4A3E8s, M-24 Chafees and M-19 Copperheads. Someone a while ago used Jim Meskos "Armor in Korea" book as a reference, but that picture on page 59 shows M-46 Pattons, mislabeled as M-26 Pershings. Pedinghouse decals are of 1st Marine Div, and I do not believe they participted in Killer or Ripper. If anyone has documentation to the contrary, please advise.
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Don't think that is a paint scheme. Believe more shadow or dirt. I have the book and really enjoyed it, shame there's only the one photo. There wasn't time or real need to paint camo on new tanks at that late stage of the war, as it was long known on both sides how it was ending and the only issue was who would get where the quickest. I have seen some photos of post war Pershings with black/OD camo scheme.....Berlin Brigade company of M-26A1's used it in late 49-50, but camo patterns on M-26s are really scarce. I'd sure like to see some.
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PCOMM; Don't know where Pedinghouse got that info, but of all the units engaged in Army Operations Ripper and Killer in April/May 1951, NONE had M-26 Pershings and no Pershing ever wore the tiger markings. Army units had just received the new M-46 Pattons (73d Tk Bn 7 ID & 6th Tk Bn 24 ID) , other vehicles included M-4A3E8s, M-24 Chafees and M-19 Copperheads. Someone a while ago used Jim Meskos "Armor in Korea" book as a reference, but that picture on page 59 shows M-46 Pattons, mislabeled as M-26 Pershings. Pedinghouse decals are of 1st Marine Div, and I do not believe they participted in Killer or Ripper. If anyone has documentation to the contrary, please advise.
Thank you for the decal clarification, you saved me a few bucks.
There are several books out there showing a few Pershings in black and OD camo and some in winter white wash (search Amazon or Google), but those are hardly "colors" as I interpreted the threads initial question to be. Just adding a black pattern to OD is still a modeling exercise in rendering a monochromatic hue plus its shades and values.
Off topic (WWII US Armored Officers thought the Pershing was a step in the right direction, but still not a true frontal attack kitty killer), but who said the US didn't have any "real" WWII armored heavy kitty killers? These development vehicles were waiting in the wings and ready for production, but: "Most (ETO) armor commanders were not very much interested in the very heavy T28, T29, and T30 tanks, for they did not see how these tanks could be got over roads and bridges (in Germany).
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