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YS FZ 110 Tuning Help - 6/27/2008 4:55:46 AM   
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I have a YS FZ110S using Cool Power Heli 30% turning an APC 16.5 x 5. I have ran about 4 1/2 gallons of fuel through this engine. I have read all the threads but feel I need to ask for help. The engine has never seemed to run consistant. The midrange and low end seem to be the main problems. Today it started loosing rpm then racing back up with the stick set about midrange. Sometimes it would die in this range but seemed to run ok at full throttle. The fuel lines are new and well as the glow plug...OS F. I have just never seemed to get this engine to hold a steady rpm in the midrange even for a couple of seconds.

And help would be appreciated.

Andy Haynes
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RE: YS FZ 110 Tuning Help - 6/27/2008 5:22:30 AM   
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Off hand, I'd say that the regulator is a too lean. Try richening it up about 1/4 turn. ( that's counterclockwise). Have you adjusted the valves recently, wouldn't hurt to check them. Replace the valve cover gasket, if it's never been done. Just a few ideas. What have you tried so far?
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RE: YS FZ 110 Tuning Help - 6/27/2008 1:20:53 PM   
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Sounds like a lean condition. The surging RPM is an indicator of being lean.

What have you tried so for to fix this? Is the fuel system holding pressure? Where is the regulator set now?

I'd start by richening the regulator an 1/8 turn at a time and see if that helps. I'd also look at the valve cover gasket if it has never been replaced.

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RE: YS FZ 110 Tuning Help - 6/27/2008 6:39:25 PM   
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It's really important on these engines to follow a proven, methodical system of adjusting carb and regulator. If you don't, you can wind up chasing the correct settings all day long and still not achieve a good running engine. First, make sure the check valve is a YS valve, not a Tettra brand. The Tettra valve won't work right, there's something different about the way it's made. And make sure it is oriented properly, so that it allows flow (air) from the engine towards the tank. Next, remove the cover of the regulator and make sure it's clean. Note the position of the cover, and be careful not to lose the gasket, the plunger, or the diaphragm that's inside it. Pump some fuel through it to clear the passages, and reassemble it. Some guys will tell you to throw away the stock gasket and get an aftermarket version, but I've used the one that came on my 140 Sport for quite a while and it's survived a lot of disassemblies. You can do which ever you see fit. Next, position the screw on the regulator so that it is appoximately flush with the regulator cover. Start the engine, and adjust the top end first, by turning the high speed needle valve in (clockwise) until you hear or read on a tach maximum RPMs, then back it up a few clicks to richen it slightly. You should hear or see a drop of just a few hundred RPMs. Now go to about 4000RPMs and adjust the regulator until you get a good, smooth run. Too lean, and the engine shouuld speed up and die, too rich and it should run rough. Adjust the regulator until it runs smooth at 4k and will transition smoothly to full power. Go back and readjust the high speed needle again, and check the 4k setting again. If you change one, you'll need to at least check, and possibly readjust, the other. Get them both as perfect as you can before you try to set the idle, because they will affect it. Now idle the engine down to as close to 2000 RPMs as you can keep it running, and begin to adjust the idle air bleed screw. Remember, it's an air bleed, so it works backwards from a needle valve. Turn it in (CW) to richen, out (CCW) to lean. Adjust for a smooth idle. Watch the smoke coming out of the muffler, it will tell you a lot about whether the engine is running rich or lean. If you have trouble getting the engine to idle smoothly, and if it seems to be running too rich (smoking a lot) despite what you do to the bleed screw, the regulator may still be a little rich, allowing too much fuel through at low speed and flooding the engine, so turn the regulator screw in (CW) about 1/8th a turn to lean it. Whenever you change any setting, give the engine several seconds to respond. Be patient. When you get close to the correct settings, your adjustments will become very small and slight. Keep reducing the idle speed until you get it to idle smoothly at around 2000-2500 RPMs. Take your time and don't make any major changes. You should be able to dial it in 'til it purrs like a kitten.

Hope this helps. It can be frustrating, but it's worth it. The YS engines are in a class by themselves.

David

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RE: YS FZ 110 Tuning Help - 6/27/2008 7:49:38 PM   
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Thanks for the tips. I will give this a try once again. This is basically what I have done. I feel like it is flooding in the midrange. Its smoking so much I can't imagine it is lean and the problem areas are the midrange and idle.

Thanks

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RE: YS FZ 110 Tuning Help - 6/27/2008 9:24:30 PM   
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You didn't mention is was smoking a lot just that the midrange was surging. No biggie. All of David's suggestions are spot on to get a good baseline. Since you have an S model you might want to call Richard at YS and ask him how to open the regulator if you need to get inside it.

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RE: YS FZ 110 Tuning Help - 6/29/2008 1:50:04 AM   
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Yup!-I've got two of them (110S's) & they both run exactly as you describe-I currently have ten YS engines & they all run great except these two 110S's-Even they (110S's) run great on my test/stand, BUT put them in an air/frame & everything changes-On the test/stand there are no bubbles in the regulator to carb fuel line-in an air/frame this same line is LOADED with bubbles-Tried a "Hyde/Softmount" & a "Bladder/Tank"-Eliminated most of the bubbles but not the "Problem" (surging just above idle & quiting)-You basically can't land this thing without a "Dead" engine-Yes, they run like a "raped/ape" at full throttle!-At just above idle I get the feeling that the regulator slowly quits passing fuel-But then why not on the test/stand-
Thanks
Ed

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RE: YS FZ 110 Tuning Help - 6/29/2008 2:24:23 AM   
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It's going to be next week before I get a chance to run the engine again. I called Central Hobbies and talked to someone there about the problem and they basically told me the same things I have read here. He did mention that the 110S does seem to be giving more trouble than other engines. I will give one more attempt this next week before going back to a 2-stroke.

Thanks for the suggestions. I will post my results in a few days.


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RE: YS FZ 110 Tuning Help - 6/29/2008 2:58:43 AM   
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quote:

I will give one more attempt this next week before going back to a 2-stroke.

Yup-I've went back to my older 110FZ's-They run like they should!-

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RE: YS FZ 110 Tuning Help - 6/30/2008 6:27:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tande

At just above idle I get the feeling that the regulator slowly quits passing fuel-But then why not on the test/stand-
Thanks
Ed


Actually, you are correct. At idle RPMs, around 2000-2300RPMs, the pressure in the crankcase is not sufficient to overcome the pressure of the spring in the regulator, and so the valve in the regulator is pushed "closed", and the regulator stops allowing fuel to flow through it. In this state the engine draws fuel (vacuum) just like any other engine. That's what the regulator is supposed to do. If it didn't, then the amount of fuel coming from the tank, which is under constant pressure, would be too much at idle speed, and the engine would flood.

If it runs great on the test stand but not on the plane, then look at what's different about the two. Is it the same tank? Same fuel lines? Something is changing, and most likely that difference is where you'll find your answer.

David

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RE: YS FZ 110 Tuning Help - 7/4/2008 1:54:34 AM   
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Once I had same problem as Andy's experiencing.
I found out that my throttle servo was malfunctioning due to noises because the receiver was attached on the fuselage directly with double-side tape which could not absorb the vibration properly.
Heung-Jin

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