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Piper Cub 1/4 scale sig or balsausa - 7/3/2008 6:14:12 PM   
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Hi anybody can tell me what do you recommend for a piper cub 1/4 scale, Sig, or Balsa USA, both produce the same plane at the same cost, but who is better?
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RE: Piper Cub 1/4 scale sig or balsausa - 7/3/2008 7:22:17 PM   
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Here's the classic non-commital answer: it depends.

Do you plan to "scale it out" or just build it like the book(s) say and just fly it? If you want to scale it out, get the BUSA kit. The wings attach to the center section, which is part of the fuse structure (like the full scale), and I believe the outline is a bit more scale. Struts are FUNCTIONAL on the BUSA, and on the Sig (mainly on the Sig to hold the wing halves together). The Sig wing is two pieces of unequal length that are slid together with a joiner, with the center section as part of one wing half (which makes that half longer than the other. The wing bolts down to the top of the fuselage at the T.E., with pins that locate the front into the "A" pillar at the top of the windshield.

Both kits have been out a while, both kits are good builds, the BUSA is a bit more "stickbuilt" than the Sig. Both kits are nice flying, both are roughly the same weight if built without modification from the plans. Which bring up modification......... the BUSA is a better kit to modify, especially if converting to an L-4. If you decide to clip the wings, the BUSA just requires deleting the first two bays out from the root, make the third rib the root edge (one bay between wing root and aileron). I suppose the Sig wing can be done the same way, but a bit more work due to the way the center section is done. Sig sells the 1/4 scale as a clipped wing as a separate kit from the full span.

All the above applies ONLY to the 1/4 scale, as Sig's 1/5 scale is totally different from the Sig 1/4 scale in construction.

I love Sig kits, have built the 1/5 scale, we have two of the Sig 1/4 scales in our club. I have the BUSA 1/4 scale to build some day soon, will build it as an L-4.

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RE: Piper Cub 1/4 scale sig or balsausa - 7/3/2008 7:22:18 PM   
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I have both,and I like the busa better I have a G-26 eng.in it and it is awsome.

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RE: Piper Cub 1/4 scale sig or balsausa - 7/4/2008 11:29:45 AM   
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Hands down...no question about it...
Balsa USA.
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RE: Piper Cub 1/4 scale sig or balsausa - 7/5/2008 2:14:12 AM   
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I had both (sold one.....)
Flying characteristics are almost identical
Neither is close to serous scale. The fin fillet, stab, rudder, wingtips, ailerons, wing roots, cowl, and fuselage width are not scale on either, but for looking like a cub, they both do that just fine
The sig is easier and quicker to put together at the field
The sig, you can build as a clip wing, or a one or two piece wing (full size) (the one piece wing is a pain to store and transport!!)
BTW...the struts ARE definitely structural on the Sig 1/4 scale - I've seen both the single and 2 piece wings fold up when struts were not used...
The BUSA cub has the cabin doors - nice touch...the switches can be installed inside the fuslage. It is also much easier to get at the aileron leads when you forget to plug one of them in (don't ask!)
The BUSA cub does not have the very unscale plastic bolts sticking out of the top of the wing

Building is about the same, plan on glueing a lot of sticks together

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RE: Piper Cub 1/4 scale sig or balsausa - 7/5/2008 6:22:03 PM   
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Thanks everybody, very useful information, I will go on BUSA, what about the engine? We fly at 1800 mts above sea Level, I´m thinking on a Fuji imvac BT24A, other suggestions?

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RE: Piper Cub 1/4 scale sig or balsausa - 7/5/2008 8:49:05 PM   
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Normally, either plane will fly fine on a 23-26 cc gas engine. At almost 6000 feet, I think I'd want a bit more, like a 32-38 cc. One of my friends flies his Sig 1/4 scale on floats with a G-38, at 1000' MSL it's a hot rod.

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RE: Piper Cub 1/4 scale sig or balsausa - 7/7/2008 6:48:38 PM   
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Thanks for all comments, other question what about the servos? I need high torque ones? or I can use the s3004 from futaba?

Andres

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RE: Piper Cub 1/4 scale sig or balsausa - 7/7/2008 7:26:10 PM   
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I've got a G-38 in mine, and don't recomend it....it is way too heavy and too torquey. The firewall has to be moved back almost 2" which because of the double taper of the front of the fuse, means you have to design your own. It is a real beast to fly - not very cub like, but has served me well the past 6 or 7 years.

Better choices in my experience would be the G-20ei, SPE 26, or G-26 (or even an older G-23 if you have one..).

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RE: Piper Cub 1/4 scale sig or balsausa - 8/1/2008 1:18:40 AM   
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Hello the Austin RC association, In Austin Texas has a raffle for a 100" cub that is COMPLETE!!!! second prize is a loaded toolbox you gotta check this out. the winner will get a absolute steal of a deal. Check my blog on RC groups I'll post more info there and here in rcu tonight.

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RE: Piper Cub 1/4 scale sig or balsausa - 8/2/2008 4:41:56 AM   
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I just bought a used Piper looks like 70 inch wing , I am 5-8 and the wing is taller then me
I bought it stripped, just the fuselage and wing, gear but no servos or motor. Well from observing others at the flying field I ordered a SAITO 4-stroke .71 engine for it.
I don't expect nor do I want to make this bird a 3D radical stunt bird, I wish for a scale like flight with the normal worries, Stall speed being a more real scale like obstical.
I am pretty confident I got a good motor, but to re-iterate on the posters original question, I gather I have the Bulsa USA because earlier posts suggested the "One-Piece" wing was a BUSA model?
I have the One peice wing and barely fits in my car
I cannot find "SIG" or "BUSA" stamped anywhere on this plane, but for a hundred bucks and in pristeine condition I took a chance. I am an avid Heli pilot and have gotten the Flat wing fever I guess, Hey change is good, gotta keep it intresting, after flying a .50 nitro chopper the fixed wing sessions are relaxing, fun and much less worry$$$$

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RE: Piper Cub 1/4 scale sig or balsausa - 8/2/2008 5:26:42 AM   
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AT 70 inch wingspan you could have a goldberg, Great planes, a small Sig, or one of several arfs from across the pacific. The quarter scale cubs run around 108" span. The Saito (probably a .72) will be tons of power for yours...



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RE: Piper Cub 1/4 scale sig or balsausa - 8/4/2008 2:15:53 PM   
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May I chime in?

this fall I plan on finishing a BUSA 1/4 scale cub. I got a deal on a barely used Magnum 1.20 4-stroke and plan on using it in the cub, all this talk of gas engines makes me wonder if the 1.20 will provide "scale" or better power?

What do you guys think?

P.S. The BUSA kit was a nice build!

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RE: Piper Cub 1/4 scale sig or balsausa - 8/4/2008 5:58:51 PM   
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Gentlemen check this out. this is a winner by any stretch of the imagination!
The Austin Texas R C Association is holding a raffle for the plane below, it has a 120 four stroke, 10 channel radio system, full function field box, and ALL is new never flown this is only the first prize, second prize is a tool box that's just loaded with new tools the good stuff and, a triton Charge. one buck will get you a ticket five bucks will get you six tickets.
check out the ARCA site at www.austinrcassociation.org[link=http://www.austinrcassociation.org][/link] or Email me i will reserve your tickets until your check clears make all funds to ARCA Not me! If you want the stubs send a self addressed stamped envelope Please.

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