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RE: Warbird Race JUly 13 - 7/16/2008 11:06:58 PM

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Want to thank the Valley Flyers for a great day of low key racing!!! Thanks to Chuck Thompson and all the rest of the valley flyers for puting on the event. I even won the sportsman class. with my little T6!!!

Great prizes for all the top finishers!!
I won a Nitromodels P51-60!!!
What is a good engine match for this bird???? Pretty big plane!

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RE: Warbird Race JUly 13 - 7/17/2008 12:46:45 AM

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quote:

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Want to thank the Valley Flyers for a great day of low key racing!!! Thanks to Chuck Thompson and all the rest of the valley flyers for puting on the event. I even won the sportsman class. with my little T6!!!

Great prizes for all the top finishers!!
I won a Nitromodels P51-60!!!
What is a good engine match for this bird???? Pretty big plane!

Good for you! What engine were you running in that T-6?

As far as the Nitroplanes P51, what are you going to use it for? If you want to stay in the stock class, the Tower 76 or GMS 76 are great bang for the buck. I have one in a PTS Mustang that has 603 square inches and it is running right at breakout for Silver. The 10x9 seems to be the best right now.

If you want to go bigger, it's hard to beat the Super Tigre 90 for power vs $. If money is no object, It's hard to beat the big YS's for stump pulling turns.

Oh and I found a pic of my friends Strega. I'm still looking for one taken from the side so you can match it up to the pic in post #22.

Blessings, Terry

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RE: Warbird Race JUly 13 - 7/17/2008 2:29:38 AM

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I was thinking of the GMS 120. How does that compare with the super tiger 90?? Is it too big for that plane . it has 745 Sq In.

I was running a GMS 25 in the T6

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RE: Warbird Race JUly 13 - 7/17/2008 3:53:14 AM

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I have no experience with the GMS 120. The specs sound good. Calls for a 16" prop. Do you have enough ground clearance for that? I suppose it could probably swing a 14x12 or something.

May I ask what T-6 you were running?

Thanks, Terry

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RE: Warbird Race JUly 13 - 7/17/2008 3:46:35 PM

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House of Balsa .25 T6

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RE: Warbird Race JUly 13 - 7/19/2008 8:43:04 AM

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I'm probably the guy most responsible for all the discussion about the 91VR-DF PM Stregas at the SAM races. I'll freely admit that they don't much resemble the real thing. My latest versions have a Tsunami canopy which is a much better match to the scale outline, especially since my custom wing has a straight leading edge. I had to build such a wing to satisfy the 650 sq. in. requirement for running a 91 2-stroke and it is no small effort. I've been very appreciative of the decision to grandfather the design into the race series.

The wing area rules for 2 vs 4 strokes do seem overcome by events. Skids hit it on the head with his comments alluding to time being a pilot's biggest competitor. With breakouts in all classes, anyone who has gotten a zero due to breaking out realizes that excessive speed kills your chances of winning. This will create market-driven limits on the setups that will show up at the races (except for those that wish to best the course records).

The fastest planes I have seen out there are Richard Verano's by far with Dave Sullivan putting together some very fast one's too. These are faster than my 91DF PM Tsunami.

Mark Sumich

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RE: Warbird Race JUly 13 - 7/19/2008 4:03:51 PM

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Hey Mark,
We talked at that last race and I did notice the improvement to the outline that your canopy change made.
I hope that if and when your PM Strega meets it's demise you find something else to your liking to continue racing with us in Sacramento.

I spoke with a guy at our shop a couple weeks ago that says you are his caller in the Triangle Series Warbird racing events and that your skill as a caller is the reason he has the level of success that he has experienced. Way to go!
I don't recall his name, but he had flown a customer up from Fresno to pick up his Mooney at our shop in Stockton. I think he said he was based out of Madera and was flying a C172 if I remember right.

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RE: Warbird Race JUly 13 - 7/19/2008 5:30:20 PM

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On the nitromodels p51-60 would standerd servos be big enough??? I was thinking of using staderds on each of the ailerons and rudder. and maybe get something a little beefier on the elevator. I probley will be using the super tiger 90 or maybe the GMS 120.

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RE: Warbird Race JUly 13 - 7/20/2008 12:47:29 AM

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I think it is Brian Riffle that you are talking about. He's a really great pilot and very relaxed on the stick. It's been a real pleasure calling for him and helping him achieve some good success in T-34.

I spoke at length with Jerry Votaw at the last SAM race about the Strega issues and left with the understanding that the aircraft were now grandfathered into the system because they had been flown there for so long. Please let your concerns be known to Jerry and I'll discuss it with him again at the next race.

Me and my flying buddies really enjoy racing with the SAM club. There is nothing quite like the venue, the excellent participation level and the great commeraderie between all the folks. Not to mention all the variety of adult beverages that appear out of nowhere after the last aircraft has landed.

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RE: Warbird Race JUly 13 - 7/20/2008 4:45:48 AM

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I spoke at length with Jerry Votaw at the last SAM race about the Strega issues and left with the understanding that the aircraft were now grandfathered into the system because they had been flown there for so long. Please let your concerns be known to Jerry and I'll discuss it with him again at the next race.

Does this mean that the PM Strega is still acceptable at the SAM races? Good for them!

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RE: Warbird Race JUly 13 - 7/20/2008 5:04:01 AM

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The existing planes like the PM Strega that have been racing at SAMs are going to be allowed to continue to race until the owner crashes that particular model. If/when that happens it must be replaced with a plane whose outline is more in keeping with the spirit of the event.
This was the announcement made by the CD's at the first race of the season this spring at SAMs.

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RE: Warbird Race JUly 13 - 7/20/2008 2:09:48 PM

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The existing planes like the PM Strega that have been racing at SAMs are going to be allowed to continue to race until the owner crashes that particular model. If/when that happens it must be replaced with a plane whose outline is more in keeping with the spirit of the event.
This was the announcement made by the CD's at the first race of the season this spring at SAMs.

So are you saying that the only folks who can run a Phoenix Strega are the ones who are already flying them? If Someone from out of town shows up with one that they have been running for the last two years at other events, they will not be allowed to run?

I'll tell you what. This kind of prejudice is what is going to help the RCPRO Warbird circuit rise to the top. Sorry Tommy, but while your Critical Mass is a nice looking bird, it is not accurate scale. No one who know anything about warbirds will have the least bit of trouble telling the the PM Strega is a P-51. It is a sport ARF standoff scale model of an unlimited warbird. The canopy is a little weird but that has nothing to do with making it faster. The only reason I can possibly see for it to be disallowed is because someone who has the power to do so has lost to one. All I can say is that is is a good thing that the folks at Reno, didn't tell Team Strega that they couldn't run that thing because it doesn't look just like the P-51 that their grandpa flew in WWII.

What a shame.

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RE: Warbird Race JUly 13 - 7/20/2008 3:17:34 PM

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quote:

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quote:

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The existing planes like the PM Strega that have been racing at SAMs are going to be allowed to continue to race until the owner crashes that particular model. If/when that happens it must be replaced with a plane whose outline is more in keeping with the spirit of the event.
This was the announcement made by the CD's at the first race of the season this spring at SAMs.

So are you saying that the only folks who can run a Phoenix Strega are the ones who are already flying them? If Someone from out of town shows up with one that they have been running for the last two years at other events, they will not be allowed to run?

I'll tell you what. This kind of prejudice is what is going to help the RCPRO Warbird circuit rise to the top. Sorry Tommy, but while your Critical Mass is a nice looking bird, it is not accurate scale. No one who know anything about warbirds will have the least bit of trouble telling the the PM Strega is a P-51. It is a sport ARF standoff scale model of an unlimited warbird. The canopy is a little weird but that has nothing to do with making it faster. The only reason I can possibly see for it to be disallowed is because someone who has the power to do so has lost to one. All I can say is that is is a good thing that the folks at Reno, didn't tell Team Strega that they couldn't run that thing because it doesn't look just like the P-51 that their grandpa flew in WWII.

What a shame.

The large majority 40 plus competitors at the event when the announcement was made approved of this ruling. And keep in mind this decision is going to affect about 3 or 4 individuals out of the 40 or so competitors there.

There is no prejudice involved. We had a new club member show up at a recent event as a new entrant with the PM Strega and he was informed of the ruling and will abide by it.
The RCPRO rules are only different from SAMs in this one area.
And just as a fun little comparison I have shown pictures of the PM Strega to various individuals, including co workers at our shop where we maintain aircraft, my kids(who couldn't care less about planes but know a P-51), and customers who take notice of the RC planes hanging in our office. I asked them if they could tell what it was "supposed" to be. NONE of them ID'd it as a P-51.
I mean come on, even one of the guys that the ruling impacts here is admitting to the squint factor required by this plane.
And if you really want to insist that this models outline matches the full scale Strega with that statement, well that's your prerogative.

Look at the name of this sub forum, it's called Scale Racing.
When we choose to race "Warbirds" , it is not unreasonable to expect that those competing and those spectating will be able to see an obvious similarity between the model and it's full scale counterpart.
When that doesn't happen, it takes away from the spirit of the event.
This type of ruling is why I enjoy racing with the SAMs.
I hope that the RCPRO events continue and grow, as I hope to come down and visit and race, unless I'm blacklisted.

I am sure that any growth of RCPRO will not be as a result of this ruling.

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RE: Warbird Race JUly 13 - 7/21/2008 2:18:55 AM