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Warbird Race JUly 13 - 7/7/2008 11:30:22 PM

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Any body coming to this ??

http://www.warbirdrace.com

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RE: Warbird Race JUly 13 - 7/9/2008 12:53:11 AM

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I would love to come and race. However, the rules are a little vague. It appears that a person could put an OS 1.60 in a 52 1/2" wingspan plane and fly in the Unlimited class, yet I can't fly my Phoenix Strega with a Jett SJ50.

Also, the stock class rules state that you can use any engine from SuperTiger, Magnum, 0.S., MDS, GMS,
Enya, Thunder Tiger, Webra (not "speed"

, Irvine, Mecoa, Tower, ASP, Magnum,
Evolution, K&B, HB, and Fox as long as it is stock with stock muffler, but there is no max displacement listed. Does this mean I could use an OS 1.60?

Hopefully Chuck Thompson calls me back so I can ask. If my planes will qualify I will be there to race. Sounds like fun.

Blessings, Terry

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RE: Warbird Race JUly 13 - 7/9/2008 7:09:11 PM

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I got a call from Chuck. I'm still a little hazy on what planes and engines will be acceptable but I plan to bring a few and hopefully I can find one for each class out of my herd.

My problem is I don't have many racers with stock mufflers. I'd hate to drive the hundred miles and then not be able to compete. Sounds like they plan to be flexable so we shall see. I've been wanting to check out the field anyway so I'm sure it will be an enjoyable day.

Blessings, Terry

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RE: Warbird Race JUly 13 - 7/9/2008 8:12:42 PM

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Looks as if they took my rules and hacked them up a little which only raised a ton of questions. You can see my rules at www.t34racing.com. They forgot to list the wing area.

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RE: Warbird Race JUly 13 - 7/10/2008 3:25:35 PM

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Hi Kevin,

Are you sure they used your rules. Much of the language used in their rules looks very close to the RCPRO rules except for the planes and engines.
I tried to see your rules, but for some reason, I can't get the links on your site to work for me.

We use the RCPRO rules for our races and most of the guys really like them. They allow a wide berth for plane/engine combinations and guys are only limited by what kind of times they can run. A guy can come out with a completely stock setup and still be completive in the Bronze class, or someone can customize his setup to his hearts content and compete in the Gold class.

When I talked to Chuck he said that in their stock class, they were basically looking for guys to use the size engine that was called for in the Arf manufacturer's literature.

I'm going to try hard to make the race this Sunday and see how well their system works. However it goes, I'm sure I will enjoy myself.

Blessings, Terry

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RE: Warbird Race JUly 13 - 7/10/2008 7:53:59 PM

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Hi Terry,

I am not 100% sure if they are running the rules completely, but much of the same wording and ideas look to be pulled from the rules that we run in the Sport Warbird Series in the Bay Area.

It doesnt matter who did what rules or where they came from as most people who draft up rules look at all of them that are available and take what they want out of them. I know we have been running our rules for about 11 years now and we change things every two years for safety or market conditions. I know when Don at RCPro was trying to decide things, he had everyone send their rules into him and came up with what you see today.

Our rules in the California SPort Warbird Series dont go by wing area to engine size. We set minimum sizes and max engine sizes. This way you can somehow shoehorn something into the class.

In our Unlimited class, we allow any aircraft with 520 sq in to run a max of a 1.6 engine. This allows big 2-cycles to run with big 4-cycles. Not to say anything bad about any other rules, but most of the rules that are used cater to the 4-cycles in the larger planes. Example would be a 550sq in airplane can run a .60 2-cycle or a 1.20 4-cycle. If you can show me a .60 2-cycle in the same plane that will out perform a Y.S. 1.20, then I want to know. There are other rules as well for saefty but this is the basic makeup of Unlimited.

Our unlimiteds that we run, entries have been low this year but we see engine combinations using O.S. 91DF engines, BVM .96 engines, O.S. 1.20AX, Y.S. 140, Y.S. 1.20, Y.S. .91 and all planes are competitive. The hot combo right now is the Phoenix Models Strega with a O.S. 91DF engine. The two that are racing currently have been clocked around 170MPH on the course. I am flying a World Models PT-26 with a O.S. 91DF that is just as competitive. Next race in Madera in September, I am going to be using a Y.S. 120 that is a copy of Richard Verano motor that he has been using.

The other two classes we run are World Models Stock Warbird and .46 Modified Warbird.

The Stock Warbird class is any World Models Warbird on the list ( P-51 Mustang, Dago Red, P-39, P-40, Corsair, Zero ) and the only engine you can use is the O.S. 61 FX. We are lookiing into this year adding a list of other aircraft that are very similiar from VQ Warbirds. I purchased a couple and the P-51's from VQ will work, the ME-109 has a wing that is about 3/4" thinner so we will not be using that one. I still have to look into the others.

The .46 Modified class is Warbirds/Reno Racers that are 475 sq or bigger (10% airfoil) and you can use any 2-cycle 45-46 engine that is front intake/side exhaust. No nelsons or Jetts currently allowed.

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RE: Warbird Race JUly 13 - 7/10/2008 9:45:17 PM

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Hey Kevin,

Sounds like you rules favor 2 strokes. Show me any 4 stroke that will hang with a OS 91DF. I fly the Phoenix Stregas. Currently I have one with a YS 1.10, one with a Jett SF50 and one with a TT46 Pro. I've heard rumors that the Sacramento area has talked about banning the Stregas. I also have a Hanger 9 T-34 with a YS 1.10 and BH Models Spitfire with a YS 45SE. All of these have a place in the RCPRO racing. Doesn't sound like any of them would be competitive under your rules, except maybe the Strega with the TT46 Pro. I guess it just depends on what you like. In RCPRO you would need a good size plane to use the O.S. 91 DF.

Blessings, Terry

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RE: Warbird Race JUly 13 - 7/11/2008 12:52:49 AM

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Terry,

Sacramento guy here. The race CD's, and a lot of the racers feel that the Phoenix Strega doesn't really resemble the real Strega and thus doesn't meet the "intent" of the rules as set forth for the Sacramento Warbird Series. There have been two races this year and for both races there have been P.M. Stregas present. Guys who fly them have been asked to bring something else once their Stregas have gone to the race plane resting place. On a personal point I'm all for leaving scale judging out, but I also agree that the P.M. Stregas are a little too far outside the "outline" of a reno race modified P51.

As for the 2 stroke vs. 4 stroke, my YS 110S in a Kyosho Spifire did it's best to keep up with a OS .91 DF in a P.M. Strega with a custom built wing, but was edged out either by horse power or pilot...... Richard Verano (Mr. YS) flew a YS 120 in a World Models P51 with a modified wing and ran circles around the entire field of pilots. It was a real thrill to hear his 120 growling thru the course and zipping around the pins.

With all that said, we run a break out time in all classes due to AMA waiver requirements (based upon field size) and so in the big scheme of things motor, plane, and even pilot for that matter have only one true hurdle......TIME. Ahhhh and it's that time piece that always seems to bite me in the tail feathers.

That's it for now..... bank left, pull hard, and hold on....... if the wing doesn't fold it's almost fast enough!

Skids

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RE: Warbird Race JUly 13 - 7/11/2008 3:59:09 AM

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Hi Skids,

RCPPO has break out times in each class as well. I have only seen one guy break out of Gold so far. That was Tony Pacini with his Nelson powered Cub. All I can say is that if that O.S. 91 DF was not dusting the YS 4 strokes, it wasn't set up to it's optimum. On the other hand, I would be willing to bet that that 120 you are speaking of was highly modified. I have both, and stock the 1.10 is faster.

As far as the P.M. Stregas, there is no doubt that they are a P-51. All of the Arfs that I know of are somewhat stand off scale. The only reason I can see for someone to disallow them is jealousy. Take a look at the World Models T-34. Someone explain to me how that is more scale than the P. M. Strega, coloring? I agree the canopy is wrong but that is easily changed.

Blessings, Terry

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RE: Warbird Race JUly 13 - 7/11/2008 4:16:59 AM

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I spoke with Chuck Thompson tonite and he said they will allow the .25 t6 to run in the sportsman class this sunday.
maybe if we get enough of them they will consider running a third class or we can just enter the sportsman class and see what happens. so grab your old t6 and bring it out on sunday!!!

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RE: Warbird Race JUly 13 - 7/11/2008 5:45:38 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: still4given

As far as the P.M. Stregas, there is no doubt that they are a P-51. All of the Arfs that I know of are somewhat stand off scale. The only reason I can see for someone to disallow them is jealousy. Take a look at the World Models T-34. Someone explain to me how that is more scale than the P. M. Strega, coloring? I agree the canopy is wrong but that is easily changed.

Blessings, Terry

If I am correct in my understanding of the SAM rules, T-34's need not apply.

Here are the SAMs rules:
"The only models qualified to be entered in a SAM Warbird event must be scale models replicating heavier than air, fixed wing, piston engine powered, man carrying, fighter or fighter-bomber aircraft that were in production after January 1, 1937, or scale models of non-military aircraft that have raced in the unlimited category of the Reno Air Races. To “have raced” means that the aircraft must have crossed the starting line while participating in an official heat. Observation or trainer aircraft that may have been modified to carry a weapon in unique circumstances do not qualify as fighter or fighter-bombers."

And here are the RCPRO rules:
"The only models qualified to be entered in a RCPRO Warbird event must be scale models replicating heavier than air, fixed wing, piston engine powered, man carrying, military aircraft that were in production after January 1, 1937, or scale models of non-military aircraft that have raced in the unlimited category of the Reno or Mojave Air Races or in an unlimited air race affiliated with the Unlimited Air Racing Association. To "have raced" means that the aircraft must have crossed the starting line while participating in an official heat. Civilian markings, paint schemes, & modifications to military aircraft are allowed. Civilian aircraft that were not designed for, but can be documented and were used by the military, will be allowed."

If you look at the RCPro rules and compare them to SAMs, there isn't a lot of difference.

And I understand why folks like the PM Strega, it's inexpensive and easy to make it go fast.
But to say that it's outline looks good enough is a bit of a stretch for me.
That's akin to saying that Liv Tyler looks similar to Rosie O'Donnel.

I don't want scale judging, but I also don't want to race against quickee 500 planes dolled up to look like warbirds.
That is not in the spirit of the event at all.

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RE: Warbird Race JUly 13 - 7/11/2008 5:53:29 PM

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Terry,

You have got to come see what we're doing in Sacramento with our YS engines. A 110s will hang with a .91 DF when using our wing area rules. True a .91 DF with the right climate condidtions should end up on top, but climate can be a little tricky.

Most the guys that are running the 120's have done a little internal work to them. However, I used to run a 120SC stock with 45% nitro and it would give the 110FZ running 60% a real run for the money.

As for the P.M. Stregas. I'm not jealous, I'm just not a huge fan. Maybe I'd like them better if they weren't that aweful orange color.

When it's all said and done it doesn't really matter because were just racing the clock. To be honest I'm jealous of the clock....... it seems to beat me every time.

Skids

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RE: Warbird Race JUly 13 - 7/11/2008 6:00:30 PM

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Roy,
You are correct, trainers or modified cubs are not allowed based upon the rules. The race CD's are doing their best to keep this to a "combat type" of warbird event. Some may complaign about the rules, but on race day everyone has a good time and that's what it is really about.
Skids

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