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How does this engine compare to the Picco .28? - 7/11/2008 2:05:30 AM   
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RE: How does this engine compare to the Picco .28? - 7/11/2008 2:11:37 AM   
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Nova

Nova 2

Nova 3

Not exactly sure about how it is in comparison to a Picco.... BB



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RE: How does this engine compare to the Picco .28? - 7/11/2008 2:18:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		That's the 528 and it's modified by Hot Mod's. This is a brand new engine with 3 ports instead of 8.

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RE: How does this engine compare to the Picco .28? - 7/11/2008 2:19:53 AM   
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RE: How does this engine compare to the Picco .28? - 7/11/2008 2:22:16 AM   
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RE: How does this engine compare to the Picco .28? - 7/11/2008 3:04:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		That's a good question for Supertib, but those Novarossi are Italian also and I hear they will out perform the Picco. I've heard they have a smoother power band then the Picco.

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RE: How does this engine compare to the Picco .28? - 7/11/2008 3:16:46 AM   
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RE: How does this engine compare to the Picco .28? - 7/11/2008 9:49:38 AM   
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Status: online 		the 3 port Nova will perform similar to an Axial 28, maybe even a little less...no contest whatsoever for the Picco 28.......... the RB 928 and Picco 28 will be extremely close in output, the Nova 528 8 port will make a little more then both the Picco and the RB......

Free Mod Job on a Picco 28 to the first person who PM's me... only stipulation is I want video and I want them to run my pipe/plug/clutch selection......I am dying to see one of my modified Picco 28's in a Savage ! If a person has a little extra scratch lets buy a Turbo button as well to go with the new setup !

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RE: How does this engine compare to the Picco .28? - 7/11/2008 11:38:05 AM   
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the 3 port Nova will perform similar to an Axial 28, maybe even a little less...no contest whatsoever for the Picco 28.......... the RB 928 and Picco 28 will be extremely close in output, the Nova 528 8 port will make a little more then both the Picco and the RB......



Is this information based on stock engines?


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RE: How does this engine compare to the Picco .28? - 7/11/2008 3:31:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Man that sounds tempting supertib! If I had a extra Picco laying around I'd go for it, but right now I have to many broken parts due to the Picco and my driving style (which I will be changing). Might take you up on that in the future, and will be will to pay for the mod.

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RE: How does this engine compare to the Picco .28? - 7/11/2008 3:56:11 PM   
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the 3 port Nova will perform similar to an Axial 28, maybe even a little less...no contest whatsoever for the Picco 28.......... the RB 928 and Picco 28 will be extremely close in output, the Nova 528 8 port will make a little more then both the Picco and the RB......



Is this information based on stock engines?


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Yes, a 3 port Nova is not a fast motor by any means.......similar output to a stock Axial 28 .........absolutely no competition to a Picco 28 !

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RE: How does this engine compare to the Picco .28? - 7/11/2008 5:59:29 PM   
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I was sorry to hear you report that the stock Picco .28's have either loose factory tollerences in crank timing, or two different crank timing standards. Seems to me for someone like me who would not want a modified Picco, it is a crap shoot as to how it will run. I live within 50 miles of Nitrohouse and Ofna, but I would expect to get the run around from them if I stopped in and asked for a Picco with the better crank timing. They might not even realize it.

Just wondering what to do, doesn't seem right to just take a chance.

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RE: How does this engine compare to the Picco .28? - 7/11/2008 6:14:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think the difference is in the pull start engines and the turbo or bump start engines. SuperTib and I went around over this before. My bump engine has a lot more top end and power than either one of my pull start engines. At that time, he was not aware of the two different engines. I think he came back with 14 degrees difference. I am not sure Picco is off base with their changing the timing though. They advertise the pull start engine as a M/T engine and not a buggy or truggy or race engine. They do have a ton of power and will still pull decent rpm.

I sent him a PM early this morning hoping to be first, because I am curious. If the timing change or mods make it useless as a truck engine, I can always run it in a buggy. I think it takes a different power band and rpm range to move a 13 pound truck with all kind of rotating masses, like big tires, slipper clutch, and transmission, than it does a 6 pound truggy with just a center differential and short light weight tires.

Our application takes a lot of torque to get everything rotating and moving. I think we probably use as much torque turning that sloppy transmission than a truggy uses in the entire drivetrain. BB

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RE: How does this engine compare to the Picco .28? - 7/11/2008 6:45:28 PM   
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I was sorry to hear you report that the stock Picco .28's have either loose factory tollerences in crank timing, or two different crank timing standards. Seems to me for someone like me who would not want a modified Picco, it is a crap shoot as to how it will run. I live within 50 miles of Nitrohouse and Ofna, but I would expect to get the run around from them if I stopped in and asked for a Picco with the better crank timing. They might not even realize it.

Just wondering what to do, doesn't seem right to just take a chance.

Dennis




I think the timing profiles were different because of updates to the motor over time... PIcco is constantly improving and tweaking their motors... The older .28 were the ones that seem to have the lower timing, the newer ones more then likely have the higher timing.... Honestly its a very easy thing to measure and really a very easy thing to change....Picco has just released a new P3 28 EVO 2 which likely already has the higher timing, and who knows maybe soon we will see a Red Dot version of the P3 28 as well .... OFNA and Nitrohouse likely aren't aware of all the different timing fluctuations, I only know because I have to individually time every motor that I modify......

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RE: How does this engine compare to the Picco .28? - 7/11/2008 6:53:34 PM