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Ohio Buckeyes 0/9 Aganist The SEC - 7/12/2008 7:02:22 AM   
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Why is it that Ohio can't beat an SEC team? The Buckeyes have 8 National Titles and none of them aganist an SEC team. Yeah they got beat last year by LSU in a scary mis-match, but they have never beat an SEC team, EVER!

The SEC is known to the nation and history to be the toughest division in college football.

Are they 0/9 because of the humidity, choke, food, sealevel, drinks, nightlife, evolution, coaching...

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RE: Ohio Buckeyes 0/9 Aganist The SEC - 7/12/2008 10:06:29 AM   
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i just think that shows how much better of a conference the SEC is over the Big Ten.

scary mismatch maybe, but no matchup was as lopsided as the UGA/Hawaii game. Im a huge UGA fan and that was just a brutal game. but i loved it!!!

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RE: Ohio Buckeyes 0/9 Aganist The SEC - 7/12/2008 10:41:45 AM   
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Youwish16, I could not agree more with ya. LSU v/s Ohio was a mismatch if you consider what was on the line.

Also, Georgia v/s Hawaii was absolute proof what the SEC is all about, you guys do what wha'll do every year and thats damn good football. I knew that was gonna happen, UGA puts the capital S in solid. Everytime LSU plays UGA my hands start sweating lol.

You have to remember this, it's called the Earthquake Game. It was the 1st and only game in North American history that registered on the rector scale. It happened in Baton Rogue, Louisiana, 1988 LSU v/s Auburn.

Here is a link to the actual recording of the earthquake. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVrM8dSAtu4

Here is the last 10 minutes of that game that made history and has yet to be matched by college teams, or the NFL. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-uR0xiEjxY&NR=1

They say the majority of LSU fans all jumped at the same time and thats what caused the earthquake.

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RE: Ohio Buckeyes 0/9 Aganist The SEC - 7/12/2008 2:56:07 PM   
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Why is it that Ohio can't beat an SEC team? The Buckeyes have 8 National Titles and none of them aganist an SEC team. Yeah they got beat last year by LSU in a scary mis-match, but they have never beat an SEC team, EVER!

The SEC is known to the nation and history to be the toughest division in college football.

Are they 0/9 because of the humidity, choke, food, sealevel, drinks, nightlife, evolution, coaching...

Chime in with your thoughts, be kind, and respectful.


The SEC has been the best conference the last two years, but hardly in the history of football. Alabama is really the only team that is historically a top 10 all time team. The Big 10 has 3 in OSU and UM and Penn State.


But to solve the Ohio State vs the SEC debacle you have to look at the matchups. Now also keep in mind the Sugar, Hall of Fame (now outback), Citrus, and Outback Bowl are ALL in Florida or Louisiana smack dab in the middle of SEC land. The only game where OSU was a favorite was against Florida a couple years ago. The rest OSU was either heavily outmached (77, 89, 92, 94) or was just an average team (00, 01). 95 vs Tennesee was a pickem game both having 1 loss before the bowl game.

Now lets look at those games with the teams they played, rankings, and records...

1977/78 - #2 Alabama (11-1) defeated #11 Ohio State (9-3) 35-6 in the Sugar Bowl
1989/90 - #6 Auburn (10-2) defeated #24 Ohio State (8-4) 31-14 in Hall of fame bowl
1992/93 - #8 Georgia (10-2) defeated #18 Ohio State (8-3-1) 21-14 in Citrus Bowl
1994/95 - #5 Alabama (12-0) defeated #14 Ohio State (9-4) 24-17 in Citrus Bowl
1995/96 - #3 Tennesee (10-1) defeated #6 Ohio State (11-2) 20-14 in Citrus Bowl
2000/01 - #19 South Carolina (9-3) defeated NR Ohio State (8-4) in Outback Bowl
2001/02 - #13 South Carolina (8-4) defeated NR Ohio State (7-5) in Outback Bowl

- Rankings final AP ranking
- NR - Not ranked

BCS Games
2006/07 - #2 Florida (13-1) defeated #1 Ohio State (12-1) in BCS Title Game
2007/08 - #2 LSU (12-2) defeated #1 Ohio State (11-2) in BCS Title Game





OH and BTW the last two years during SEC "Dominance" the Big 10 is .500 with the SEC. Take out OSU and well you figure it out. Or how about how Michigan is what 20-5-1 against current SEC teams.


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RE: Ohio Buckeyes 0/9 Aganist The SEC - 7/12/2008 3:05:38 PM   
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Just for those curious, my all time top 10

1 - Notre Dame
2 - Alabama
3 - Michigan
4 - Nebraksa
5 - Ohio State
6 - Southern California
7- Oklahoma
8 - Texas
9 - Florida State
10 - Penn State

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RE: Ohio Buckeyes 0/9 Aganist The SEC - 7/12/2008 3:52:15 PM   
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Youwish16, I could not agree more with ya. LSU v/s Ohio was a mismatch if you consider what was on the line.

Also, Georgia v/s Hawaii was absolute proof what the SEC is all about, you guys do what wha'll do every year and thats damn good football. I knew that was gonna happen, UGA puts the capital S in solid. Everytime LSU plays UGA my hands start sweating lol.

You have to remember this, it's called the Earthquake Game. It was the 1st and only game in North American history that registered on the rector scale. It happened in Baton Rogue, Louisiana, 1988 LSU v/s Auburn.

Here is a link to the actual recording of the earthquake. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVrM8dSAtu4

Here is the last 10 minutes of that game that made history and has yet to be matched by college teams, or the NFL. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-uR0xiEjxY&NR=1

They say the majority of LSU fans all jumped at the same time and thats what caused the earthquake.

Nobody can say we don't take football serious



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RE: Ohio Buckeyes 0/9 Aganist The SEC - 7/13/2008 4:52:41 AM   
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The SEC has been the best conference the last two years, but hardly in the history of football. Alabama is really the only team that is historically a top 10 all time team. The Big 10 has 3 in OSU and UM and Penn State.


But to solve the Ohio State vs the SEC debacle you have to look at the matchups. Now also keep in mind the Sugar, Hall of Fame (now outback), Citrus, and Outback Bowl are ALL in Florida or Louisiana smack dab in the middle of SEC land. The only game where OSU was a favorite was against Florida a couple years ago. The rest OSU was either heavily outmached (77, 89, 92, 94) or was just an average team (00, 01). 95 vs Tennesee was a pickem game both having 1 loss before the bowl game.

Now lets look at those games with the teams they played, rankings, and records...

1977/78 - #2 Alabama (11-1) defeated #11 Ohio State (9-3) 35-6 in the Sugar Bowl
1989/90 - #6 Auburn (10-2) defeated #24 Ohio State (8-4) 31-14 in Hall of fame bowl
1992/93 - #8 Georgia (10-2) defeated #18 Ohio State (8-3-1) 21-14 in Citrus Bowl
1994/95 - #5 Alabama (12-0) defeated #14 Ohio State (9-4) 24-17 in Citrus Bowl
1995/96 - #3 Tennesee (10-1) defeated #6 Ohio State (11-2) 20-14 in Citrus Bowl
2000/01 - #19 South Carolina (9-3) defeated NR Ohio State (8-4) in Outback Bowl
2001/02 - #13 South Carolina (8-4) defeated NR Ohio State (7-5) in Outback Bowl

- Rankings final AP ranking
- NR - Not ranked

BCS Games
2006/07 - #2 Florida (13-1) defeated #1 Ohio State (12-1) in BCS Title Game
2007/08 - #2 LSU (12-2) defeated #1 Ohio State (11-2) in BCS Title Game





OH and BTW the last two years during SEC "Dominance" the Big 10 is .500 with the SEC. Take out OSU and well you figure it out. Or how about how Michigan is what 20-5-1 against current SEC teams.



You saying the SEC has only been the best conference the last 2 years, I think 15 out of 20 experts would disagree, time and time again on tv the experts mention how the SEC is the toughest division in the NCAA. You have the right to believe what you want, as others my differ.

The 9 loses you posted for OSU says it all. In order for Ohio to be the best, they have to play the best and beat the best. Something they have yet to do in their entire history.


You say, OH and BTW the last two years during SEC "Dominance" the Big 10 is .500 with the SEC. Those numbers may be true, but the question is, how were those numbers earned? Again, a division can't play overall weak teams and compare themselves to a division that played much better teams, although those numbers may be even, they are not on the same level.

Michigan is 20-5-1 aganist the SEC, but 1 team can't speak for the whole division. I understand Michigan is a great team, but we are talking about a division, not just 1 team, or 2 teams for that matter.



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RE: Ohio Buckeyes 0/9 Aganist The SEC - 7/13/2008 5:39:13 PM   
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Just go look back at the strenth of schedules for each conference and over the last couple seasons the SEC has been number one, but it was not always the case. For you to think that all time the SEC is the best and from how you are comming across it seems you think by a long margin is just funny.

Every SEC fanboi claims the Big 10 is just UM and OSU but fails to remember the history of its own league. Alabama is an all time great team which no one can dispute, but they were the SEC for a long time. They have almost half the total titles the SEC does (10 of 22). From 1961 - 1992 Bama won 7 titles, the rest of the sec won just one title in that 31 year span (Georgia in 1980). Arkansas did split a title in 1964 with Alabama but was not a member of the SEC at that time.

You can even take Penn State out of the Big 10 since they didnt win any of those titles while in the Big 10, then the Big 10 would only have 7 more championships than the SEC.

Number of titles for each conference...
Current members, numbers from NCAA.com and are recognized championships

ACC
Miami - 5
Georgia Tech - 3
Florida State - 2
Maryland, Clemson - 1

Total - 12

Big 10
Michigan - 9
Ohio State - 7
Minnesota - 6
Penn State - 4
Illinois, Michigan State - 3
Iowa - 1

Total - 33

Big 12
Oklahoma - 7
Nebraska - 4
Texas - 3
Texas A&M, Colorado - 1

Total - 16

Big East
Pittsuburgh - 4
Syracuse - 1

Total - 5

SEC
Alabama - 10
LSU - 4
Tennessee, Florida - 2
Georgia, Auburn, Arkansas, Mississippi - 1

Total - 22

Pac 10
Southen California - 9
California - 4
Washington, UCLA, Stanford - 1

Total - 16

So now looking at the total titles who would you say the best historically would be?

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RE: Ohio Buckeyes 0/9 Aganist The SEC - 7/13/2008 5:43:12 PM   
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The SEC has been the best conference the last two years, but hardly in the history of football. Alabama is really the only team that is historically a top 10 all time team. The Big 10 has 3 in OSU and UM and Penn State.


But to solve the Ohio State vs the SEC debacle you have to look at the matchups. Now also keep in mind the Sugar, Hall of Fame (now outback), Citrus, and Outback Bowl are ALL in Florida or Louisiana smack dab in the middle of SEC land. The only game where OSU was a favorite was against Florida a couple years ago. The rest OSU was either heavily outmached (77, 89, 92, 94) or was just an average team (00, 01). 95 vs Tennesee was a pickem game both having 1 loss before the bowl game.

Now lets look at those games with the teams they played, rankings, and records...

1977/78 - #2 Alabama (11-1) defeated #11 Ohio State (9-3) 35-6 in the Sugar Bowl
1989/90 - #6 Auburn (10-2) defeated #24 Ohio State (8-4) 31-14 in Hall of fame bowl
1992/93 - #8 Georgia (10-2) defeated #18 Ohio State (8-3-1) 21-14 in Citrus Bowl
1994/95 - #5 Alabama (12-0) defeated #14 Ohio State (9-4) 24-17 in Citrus Bowl
1995/96 - #3 Tennesee (10-1) defeated #6 Ohio State (11-2) 20-14 in Citrus Bowl
2000/01 - #19 South Carolina (9-3) defeated NR Ohio State (8-4) in Outback Bowl
2001/02 - #13 South Carolina (8-4) defeated NR Ohio State (7-5) in Outback Bowl

- Rankings final AP ranking
- NR - Not ranked

BCS Games
2006/07 - #2 Florida (13-1) defeated #1 Ohio State (12-1) in BCS Title Game
2007/08 - #2 LSU (12-2) defeated #1 Ohio State (11-2) in BCS Title Game





OH and BTW the last two years during SEC "Dominance" the Big 10 is .500 with the SEC. Take out OSU and well you figure it out. Or how about how Michigan is what 20-5-1 against current SEC teams.



You saying the SEC has only been the best conference the last 2 years, I think 15 out of 20 experts would disagree, time and time again on tv the experts mention how the SEC is the toughest division in the NCAA. You have the right to believe what you want, as others my differ.

The 9 loses you posted for OSU says it all. In order for Ohio to be the best, they have to play the best and beat the best. Something they have yet to do in their entire history.


You say, OH and BTW the last two years during SEC "Dominance" the Big 10 is .500 with the SEC. Those numbers may be true, but the question is, how were those numbers earned? Again, a division can't play overall weak teams and compare themselves to a division that played much better teams, although those numbers may be even, they are not on the same level.

Michigan is 20-5-1 aganist the SEC, but 1 team can't speak for the whole division. I understand Michigan is a great team, but we are talking about a division, not just 1 team, or 2 teams for that matter.





I am no OSU fan but you claim OSU has to beat the best to be the best. But correct me if I am wrong but wasnt Miami in 01/02 supposed to be the best? They lost and OSU won. Then there are the 6 other titles. Say whatever you want but just look at the matchups, most were skewed severely in the favor of the SEC with rankings, records, and location of the game. Oh BTW just incase you didnt know Ohio State is 7-10-2 all time against the SEC. So they have beaten them before. Just 0-9 in Bowl games. In 1987 OSU and LSU matched up @ LSU and tied. The next year the 4-6-1 buckeyes beat the 8-4 Tigers in Colombus. Its amazing what happends when games are home games.

Ill give you the Florida game, that was an embarassment to OSU to get blown out like that. They looked awful and Florida looked awesome. It was no different than UF vs UM last year. UF was a better team but UM crushed them and in UF's back yard no less. If UM hadnt turned it over on the goal line twice and other turnovers it could have easily been 41-14 or worse just like the UF vs OSU game.

But last year LSU was a better team and anyone other than an OSU fan knew that. OSU was supposed to be on a down year after losing a ton of people. It took a freaky season for them to make the game. They should not have been there. But you have to admit LSU playing in New Orleans is a HUGE advantage. These are suppsed to be neutral games and in this case was not. It should have been USC vs OSU in the Rose Bowl but WVU and other lost to screw the bcs system up.

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RE: Ohio Buckeyes 0/9 Aganist The SEC - 7/13/2008 9:03:40 PM   
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i think the only reason that OSU beat Miami in 01/02 was because Willis tore up his knee. That was still a great game, i still remember it like it was yesterday.

i would like to have seen a LSU vs UGA or a LSU vs UWV championship game last year

i wont forget the thumping UWV put on UGA the previous year

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RE: Ohio Buckeyes 0/9 Aganist The SEC - 7/14/2008 2:17:40 AM   
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i think the only reason that OSU beat Miami in 01/02 was because Willis tore up his knee. That was still a great game, i still remember it like it was yesterday.

i would like to have seen a LSU vs UGA or a LSU vs UWV championship game last year

i wont forget the thumping UWV put on UGA the previous year


You could also make an argument that in the Florida game when Ted Ginn got hurt the first play it could have also played a roll in the outcome. Injuries happen and the Mcgahee injury was in the 4th quarter and OSU already had a lead at that time.

Like it or not the BCS got it right last season even if OSU wasnt the second best team. Too many people lost ahead of them and they only lost 1 game all season. They couldnt be skipped over by a two loss WVU or two two loss SEC teams.

I thought going into that game that Oklahoma and LSU deserved it. Obviously OU lost in the bowl game but going into the bowls they deserved the nod.

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RE: Ohio Buckeyes 0/9 Aganist The SEC - 7/14/2008 2:22:13 AM   
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would you rather have seen a playoff? i think i playoff would have been a good way to go last year

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