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RE: RCGF Engines - 12/8/2011 4:58 PM   
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RE: RCGF Engines - 12/8/2011 10:17 PM   
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Consider a pair of DLE 20's instead. More power and fewer problems. IMO.


Ain't that a fact. The DLE 20 is one of the most powerful (for it's size) and compact of any of the small gassers so far from the far east.

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RE: RCGF Engines - 12/8/2011 11:34 PM   
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RE: RCGF Engines - 12/23/2011 10:22 AM   
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is someone use the RCGF 32 ?
what do you think of the use of tuned pipe on this engine ?

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RE: RCGF Engines - 12/23/2011 1:22 PM   
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The RCGF 32cc is a very good all around engine. I have three of them on planes. A Big Ugly Stik 80” wing span, a Howard DGA-12 95” wing span, and 26% YAK-54 73” wing span. In all three planes the power is off the chart. The Stik and YAK have unlimited vertical and both will hover at less than half throttle and the Howard flies scale at about 40% throttle with a 22/8 prop. I have many happy customers using these powerful little engines. That is my two cents for what it is worth.

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RE: RCGF Engines - 12/23/2011 10:33 PM   
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in your opinion, is the 20x10,5 APC prop can be ru by this engine with or without tuned pipe ?
for me the objective is to run it over 7000rpm
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RE: RCGF Engines - 1/8/2012 2:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		Sorry for getting back to you so late! It was nuts around here over Christmas. I was off so I went flying every day from 6 a.m. to 4 or 5 p.m. Now to answer your question. Yes the RCGF 32cc can turn your APC prop but I do not like APCs on gas engines. They are very dangerous to begin with and they are not that efficient. I would us something like a Xoar wood prop 18x10, 20x8 or 20x10 depending on how you are going to fly the plane.

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RE: RCGF Engines - 1/8/2012 3:07 AM   
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Happy New Year!!! I have a favor to ask you guys that I have done engine work for over the past year. My records computer tanked last week so if it would not be to much of an inconvenience could you “PM me with your name, engine size, and serial number so I can re-input it into the new computer. I would greatly appreciate it.

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RE: RCGF Engines - 1/8/2012 6:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		thanks for your answer,
as i have some time i do mesurement of these prop. and you can see the results on the following table :


as i have few time yet I done orther measurements :


the used tuned pipe is this used on the webra 145AAR.
I think it is very interesting because I only have SP95 for the RCGF and there is 30% of nitro for all the the tested YS 

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RE: RCGF Engines - 1/15/2012 7:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here's another one of these sweet little engine's. Sig clipped wing, RCGF 26cc with J-Tec pipe. Started as expected- five flip's pop, choke off - one flip start. Gotta love it.

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RE: RCGF Engines - 1/24/2012 5:37 PM   
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Could you please show the dyno that you used to test the engine? I'm busy designing my own and it would help a lot.

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RE: RCGF Engines - 1/24/2012 9:13 PM   
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here one part of my post in RC pattern flying
about measurement realized on YS engines : I take measurement of rpm that all members of the forum post on RC universe and on F3A.fr. it is interested to see that all measures was realized with APC propellers and it is more simple for me because it reduces  drasticlly the number of prop to caracterize in power. for RCGF and webra I used my own measures because I have these engines at homre. after you must know one thing : when your engine runs a prop the power absorbed by the propeller is eqaul to the power provided by the engine, so if you measure the curve power of your prop it becomes easy to determinate the power of all engine just by knowing the dimension of the prop and its rpm.  and you can write :  where N is the RPM  and D the prop diameter and gamma the power coefficient of the prop.

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RE: RCGF Engines - 1/30/2012 9:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		dear friends I m trying to read this thread as fast as I can do..so if this was answered before sorry for your time...I m planning to make  seagull edge 540-60+rcgf gas engine.. so its weight is 8.4-8.8 lbs(3.8-4 kg) including engine and all accesories flying weight is almost 10 lbs(5 kg)..I wanna fly 3D should I buy rcgf 20 cc?26 cc?or 30 cc?? as far as I know 20 cc is not enough but on the other hand 30 cc will be too heavy wht about the 26 cc I need your experinences, informations and advices..thank you for your interest..

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RE: RCGF Engines - 1/31/2012 12:51 AM   
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dear friends I m trying to read this thread as fast as I can do..so if this was answered before sorry for your time...I m planning to make  seagull edge 540-60+rcgf gas engine.. so its weight is 8.4-8.8 lbs(3.8-4 kg) including engine and all accesories flying weight is almost 10 lbs(5 kg)..I wanna fly 3D should I buy rcgf 20 cc?26 cc?or 30 cc?? as far as I know 20 cc is not enough but on the other hand 30 cc will be too heavy wht about the 26 cc I need your experinences, informations and advices..thank you for your interest..


If you are looking to do/learn 3D, I would find another plane. At 750 sq. in. of wing area and 10lbs, it would be way low on wing area. Something that weight needs to have 950 minimum, or better yet over 1000 sq in. It might make a decent sport plane, but you will have to keep your air speeds up, and it may snap a little too easily?

Backing off to something the weight of a DLE 20 will save you 8 oz. That would be a step in the right direction, but still not to the point where you'll be able to do much in the way of those maneuvers where the plane really has to "float".

If you just want something that might hover, you might be OK? My opinion, FWIW.

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RE: RCGF Engines - 1/31/2012 8:26 AM   
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dear friends I m trying to read this thread as fast as I can do..so if this was answered before sorry for your time...I m planning to make  seagull edge 540-60+rcgf gas engine.. so its weight is 8.4-8.8 lbs(3.8-4 kg) including engine and all accesories flying weight is almost 10 lbs(5 kg)..I wanna fly 3D should I buy rcgf 20 cc?26 cc?or 30 cc?? as far as I know 20 cc is not enough but on the other hand 30 cc will be too heavy wht about the 26 cc I need your experinences, informations and advices..thank you for your interest..


If you are looking to do/learn 3D, I would find another plane. At 750 sq. in. of wing area and 10lbs, it would be way low on wing area. Something that weight needs to have 950 minimum, or better yet over 1000 sq in. It might make a decent sport plane, but you will have to keep your air speeds up, and it may snap a little too easily?

Backing off to something the weight of a DLE 20 will save you 8 oz. That would be a step in the right direction, but still not to the point where you'll be able to do much in the way of those maneuvers where the plane really has to "float".

If you just want something that might hover, you might be OK? My opinion, FWIW.


first of all thank you..which plane do you offer me?for example I m flying about 7-8 months with profile katana 46 61 magnum..I m flying not completely 3D but I m forwarding day by day..so I thought extra 260/90, extra  300 s and edge 540/60 I like edge..I have many modeller friends in other cities flying with rcgf and they are happy with them but as I wrote up seagull edge is close 10 lbs(5 kg) as a result of this I m confused..I read seGULL edge 540/60+dle 20 combo in other forums and they are happy..I want to know which is better  rcgf 20 cc or 26 cc?or which combo do you offer?on the other hand in other forums som pilots think that 26 cc class is not cost/force/torque effective its not so stronger that seems..I hope I could explain wht I mean..thank you again..  

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RE: RCGF Engines - 1/31/2012 12:52 PM   
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dear friends I m trying to read this thread as fast as I can do..so if this was answered before sorry for your time...I m planning to make  seagull edge 540-60+rcgf gas engine.. so its weight is 8.4-8.8 lbs(3.8-4 kg) including engine and all accesories flying weight is almost 10 lbs(5 kg)..I wanna fly 3D should I buy rcgf 20 cc?26 cc?or 30 cc?? as far as I know 20 cc is not enough but on the other hand 30 cc will be too heavy wht about the 26 cc I need your experinences, informations and advices..thank you for your interest..


If you are looking to do/learn 3D, I would find another plane. At 750 sq. in. of wing area and 10lbs, it would be way low on wing area. Something that weight needs to have 950 minimum, or better yet over 1000 sq in. It might make a decent sport plane, but you will have to keep your air speeds up, and it may snap a little too easily?

Backing off to something the weight of a DLE 20 will save you 8 oz. That would be a step in the right direction, but still not to the point where you'll be able to do much in the way of those maneuvers where the plane really has to ''float''.

If you just want something that might hover, you might be OK? My opinion, FWIW.


first of all thank you..which plane do you offer me?for example I m flying about 7-8 months with profile katana 46 61 magnum..I m flying not completely 3D but I m forwarding day by day..so I thought extra 260/90, extra  300 s and edge 540/60 I like edge..I have many modeller friends in other cities flying with rcgf and they are happy with them but as I wrote up seagull edge is close 10 lbs(5 kg) as a result of this I m confused..I read seGULL edge 540/60+dle 20 combo in other forums and they are happy..I want to know which is better  rcgf 20 cc or 26 cc?or which combo do you offer?on the other hand in other forums som pilots think that 26 cc class is not cost/force/torque effective its not so stronger that seems..I hope I could explain wht I mean..thank you again..  


Here is a sample of what I'm thinking of when considering something that might work well for a 26cc powered 3D plane. Please don't focus on this plane only as there are more like it built by other manyfacturers and sold by different suppliers. The H9 Funtana would be another example that just came to me.

http://www.troybuiltmodels.com/items/GWRACERE540-030V3BAF.html

Wingspan 75.2"(1910mm)
Length 73"(1860mm)
Wing Area 1026sq in(66.2sq dm)
Flying Weight 9.7-11lbs(4400g-5000g)

Regarding an RCGF 20cc, it would be a similar plane, just scaled down. 750 sq in is still on the small side if the plane weighs 10lbs. It would have to weigh something closer to 8lbs for that amount of wing area? Large 1.20 size planes, in the 8-10 lb class would be what you're looking for. The Funtana specifications actually work here as well.... though it would be on the larger side.

Not intending to say the plane you provided doesn't fly well. Saying it's not a good example of a 3D plane...

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RE: RCGF Engines - 1/31/2012 2:27 PM   
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Good call on the plane Ahicks. We sell the fire out of the 26% Gold Wing 30cc size planes. Those are planes in the 72” to 76” wing span range. My personal experience with the RCGF 26cc in planes this size is the 26cc has more than enough power to fly the plane and do scale aerobatics. While the RCGF 26cc engine can do the 3D in the 26% size planes it has to work harder to do it. Most of the guys flying 3D will step up to the 32cc engines power increase to put the plane over the top. The RCGF 32cc engine does not have to work as hard to do the 3D maneuvers and there is extra power to get you out trouble if you need it.That is my two cents for what its worth.

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RE: RCGF Engines - 1/31/2012 2:46 PM   
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Good call on the plane Ahicks. We sell the fire out of the 26% Gold Wing 30cc size planes. Those are planes in the 72” to 76” wing span range. My personal experience with the RCGF 26cc in planes this size is the 26cc has more than enough power to fly the plane and do scale aerobatics. While the RCGF 26cc engine can do the 3D in the 26% size planes it has to work harder to do it. Most of the guys flying 3D will step up to the 32cc engines power increase to put the plane over the top. The RCGF 32cc engine does not have to work as hard to do the 3D maneuvers and there is extra power to get you out trouble if you need it.That is my two cents for what its worth.

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I had an 26cc RCGF in a 10 lb Funtana, so I know about what to expect. There were no DLE 30's or RCGF 32's available at the time - so I thought it flew great! Certainly no trouble pulling out of a hover. Now though, I'm in total agreement with you. Especially if you don't already have an engine and are buying one for the purpose. 32cc on power to weight, or bucks spent for bang received, works out to be a much better plan.... Awesome how far we've come in just a couple of years!

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RE: RCGF Engines - 1/31/2012 3:00 PM   
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RE: RCGF Engines - 1/31/2012 3:51 PM   
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From the front of the beam itself to just beyond the butterfly is 3 3/8” I would go to 3 ½” for air clearance. From the front of the prop hub to just beyond the butterfly is 5 3/8” again I would go to 5 ½” for the air clearance.

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RE: RCGF Engines - 1/31/2012 5:18 PM   
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RE: RCGF Engines - 1/31/2012 8:20 PM   
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dear friends I m trying to read this thread as fast as I can do..so if this was answered before sorry for your time...I m planning to make  seagull edge 540-60+rcgf gas engine.. so its weight is 8.4-8.8 lbs(3.8-4 kg) including engine and all accesories flying weight is almost 10 lbs(5 kg)..I wanna fly 3D should I buy rcgf 20 cc?26 cc?or 30 cc?? as far as I know 20 cc is not enough but on the other hand 30 cc will be too heavy wht about the 26 cc I need your experinences, informations and advices..thank you for your interest..


If you are looking to do/learn 3D, I would find another plane. At 750 sq. in. of wing area and 10lbs, it would be way low on wing area. Something that weight needs to have 950 minimum, or better yet over 1000 sq in. It might make a decent sport plane, but you will have to keep your air speeds up, and it may snap a little too easily?

Backing off to something the weight of a DLE 20 will save you 8 oz. That would be a step in the right direction, but still not to the point where you'll be able to do much in the way of those maneuvers where the plane really has to ''float''.

If you just want something that might hover, you might be OK? My opinion, FWIW.


first of all thank you..which plane do you offer me?for example I m flying about 7-8 months with profile katana 46 61 magnum..I m flying not completely 3D but I m forwarding day by day..so I thought extra 260/90, extra  300 s and edge 540/60 I like edge..I have many modeller friends in other cities flying with rcgf and they are happy with them but as I wrote up seagull edge is close 10 lbs(5 kg) as a result of this I m confused..I read seGULL edge 540/60+dle 20 combo in other forums and they are happy..I want to know which is better  rcgf 20 cc or 26 cc?or which combo do you offer?on the other hand in other forums som pilots think that 26 cc class is not cost/force/torque effective its not so stronger that seems..I hope I could explain wht I mean..thank you again..  


Here is a sample of what I'm thinking of when considering something that might work well for a 26cc powered 3D plane. Please don't focus on this plane only as there are more like it built by other manyfacturers and sold by different suppliers. The H9 Funtana would be another example that just came to me.

http://www.troybuiltmodels.com/items/GWRACERE540-030V3BAF.html

Wingspan 75.2"(1910mm)
Length 73"(1860mm)
Wing Area 1026sq in(66.2sq dm)
Flying Weight 9.7-11lbs(4400g-5000g)

Regarding an RCGF 20cc, it would be a similar plane, just scaled down. 750 sq in is still on the small side if the plane weighs 10lbs. It would have to weigh something closer to 8lbs for that amount of wing area? Large 1.20 size planes, in the 8-10 lb class would be what you're looking for. The Funtana specifications actually work here as well.... though it would be on the larger side.

Not intending to say the plane you provided doesn't fly well. Saying it's not a good example of a 3D plane...

ahicks do you mean "not a good example of a 3D plane"switching to gas engine model instead of nitro designed model?or different brand and you dont like seagull?




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RE: RCGF Engines - 1/31/2012 8:25 PM   
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Good call on the plane Ahicks. We sell the fire out of the 26% Gold Wing 30cc size planes. Those are planes in the 72” to 76” wing span range. My personal experience with the RCGF 26cc in planes this size is the 26cc has more than enough power to fly the plane and do scale aerobatics. While the RCGF 26cc engine can do the 3D in the 26% size planes it has to work harder to do it. Most of the guys flying 3D will step up to the 32cc engines power increase to put the plane over the top. The RCGF 32cc engine does not have to work as hard to do the 3D maneuvers and there is extra power to get you out trouble if you need it.That is my two cents for what its worth.

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Captmicom if I m not wrong you mean rcgf 26 cc is not as much as strong like 32 cc?I understand like that wht I wrote up..thank you 



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RE: RCGF Engines - 1/31/2012 9:37 PM   
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ahicks do you mean ''not a good example of a 3D plane''switching to gas engine model instead of nitro designed model?or different brand and you dont like seagull?





There's nothing wrong with Seagull models. That's not what I'm saying at all. What I'm saying is the plane you've chosen will not work as well as others you could choose from. The weight of the gas engine is too much for that airframe (20 or 26cc) - if you are looking for good 3D performance.

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