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bobzilla -> RE: nitro planes SU-26 50CC specs (11/11/2008 11:41 AM)

g-62 with magneto does not need a battery. ONly engines with electronic ignition do. I use one hs-5955tg titanium on the rudder.(333oz) and love it's speed and unbreakable gear train. I don't like ganging servers as they can be fussy to setup for proper centering/throws simultaneous. I also prefer the titanium axles and did replace my arf supplied bolts with these and larger wheels. No wheel pants is good for me as they usually just break/come lose and sometimes rotate and cause a crash.
I put in a choke servo for my engine. This serves to help start, but also serves as my emergeny shut off in case i need. I also drilled and tapped a 1/4-20 plastic hold shaft into
my wings near the main bolt hole location..as a secondary holding for the wing..(I don't trust just 1 bolt to hold on a wing.)

I used the robarts..and used gorilla glue..and the reason is.... gorilla glue swells as it sets..and if you use in your holes and on the shafts of hingepoints, the glue forms a glob
on the inside of the wing..making it hard to pull out the hingepoint. Gorilla glue is also moisture (water) activated..so any moisture in the wood helps in get into the fiber and grab better. I found that in time epoxy will harden and loose its grip on some surfaces. ( I have hinge points pull complete out with epoxy). Again, this is your call, and use what you find comfortable. If your uncomfortable using hingepoints the first time, find a friend or club member who has some expertise to help. I use a dab of vasoline on the center of my hingepoints, instead of oil (which tends to run as any oil on the shaft itself and the glue will not stick.)

A set of 3000 6v batteries is ideal setup. Just go from battery - switch - receiver. On the second battery...go from battery - 2nd switch - y-cord in your throttle or choke servo.
It does'nt matter where you feed in that 2nd battery, but having 2 separate switches is a good insurance policy in case of switch failure (and we all have had that before!!).

I had a g-62 on another giant scale before..and changed over to a CH ignition. They make a very nice setup, easy to install. I got easier starts and smoother idle.

Set down with your sock covered iron and iron out those wringles.. I used 3/4 heat..enough just to get monckote to stretch and seal..but not cause additional bubbles.

Good luck on your build..

"Fly it like you own it, but gravity owns the pinkslip!"
bobzilla




T3beatz -> RE: nitro planes SU-26 50CC specs (11/11/2008 12:02 PM)

Hey just a Heads up 2x CS-170's/HS-5955tg 333oz are way over kill for this plane... 1 will do just fine... ask anyone who has a 30% plane and they will tell you... 2 of those can go on a 35% and Up.. save the money.



Mr.FiberOptic -> RE: nitro planes SU-26 50CC specs (11/11/2008 12:13 PM)

thanks guys. cool beans [:D]



bobzilla -> RE: nitro planes SU-26 50CC specs (11/11/2008 12:47 PM)

quote:

I use one hs-5955tg titanium on the rudder.(333oz) and love it's speed and unbreakable gear train.


yes..one is FINE for me as stated. I use only one on my 33% SD yak also. Never had an issue with this servo EVER!




T3beatz -> RE: nitro planes SU-26 50CC specs (11/11/2008 1:20 PM)

sorry about the double post... we must have been replying at the same time...



sgoen -> RE: nitro planes SU-26 50CC specs (11/12/2008 8:18 PM)

From those of you who have this plane, Is this a good plane to buy?
Is this you get what you pay for plane or is it worth the time and money?
would a DA 50 be a good engine for this plane?



bobzilla -> RE: nitro planes SU-26 50CC specs (11/12/2008 9:25 PM)

This arf is on the very bottom end of the scale for 30% planes...but...for $299 you cannot beat or even come close to it with any other arf this size. If has a poorly written manual that seems to have been derived from an alien planet, some but not all poor hardware. If you read the forum posts here by me and others, you will get all the info/help you need to get this arf completed and in the air. The DA-50 IS NOT the best engine. The arf is way tail heavy. Expect to add 2 1/2 to 3 lbs in the nose if you use it. I finally got mine to balance with 4 solid brass (3/4") 4-inch standoff..which pushed the engine out farther to the very limit on the cowl. I also mounted all the 5cell heavy nimh batteries on top of motor box.
A ZENOAH g-62 to me would be a great one to use, or even a heavier 60-80 cc. If you want to spend more bucks, might I suggest a TOC1 30% Yak (www.Acehobby.com), or an Airwild 29% Extra 260 or 29% Edge 540T for $499. On the high end of the scale, the ExtremeFlight makes one of the best arfs today..but pricey at over $600.
this is just my 2 cents worth.

bobzilla






Mr.FiberOptic -> RE: nitro planes SU-26 50CC specs (11/13/2008 3:40 AM)

i think its alright for the $299. i bought an Extra 230 33% 95"span kit of just a little bigger than this and it was $300 not even built. then you try to find a builder and they charge $1200 just to build it and they are all booked up for a few months at least so your on a waiting list. i found someone that would agree to build mine for $400 and he had it for 8 months and didn't even start on it. i got it back from him and found someone else that would build it for $400 and he almost had it finished. but then i sold all of my planes including that kit. now a few years later i decide to get another giant scale and chose this one. never flown a giant scale except on a simulator so im eager to get this one up as soon as i get the money for the Zenoah G-62 and the transmitter i will fly it probably next spring. just the fuselage without the rudder and stab or anything else just the empty fuse out of the box it is a little tail heavy. so adding the tail feathers on and the electronics will probably make it more tail heavy so the engine will help balance a little. like bobzilla said you might have to add nose weight to this one in order for it to fly. a bigger engine will probably balance it but will overpower it a little i guess. reinforce the engine box if you go bigger than a 50cc. reinforcing of the engine box is probably a good idea even with the 50cc.



greenred -> RE: nitro planes SU-26 50CC specs (11/19/2008 1:07 AM)

bobzilla,

How many pounds did your Sukhoi end up weighing (dry, no fuel)?

Most planes this size seem to come in at around 15 to 18lbs so anything in that range would seem reasonable even if you had to add extra weight.
If it is at the high end of this range or higher then it's likely a bit heavy and that, I suppose might explain why it is less expensive than other planes in this class?

How would you rate this plane for 3D ability and will it pull out of hover with authority with a 50cc motor or is it going to need more power?

I have been eying up this plane as an economical way of getting into a 50cc plane that is very 3D capable but if it ends up not flying well then I would rather spend more bucks now than to be disappointed and have to spend more later after investing in a plane that I am not happy with.

TIA for any comments,

GRR



bobzilla -> RE: nitro planes SU-26 50CC specs (11/19/2008 1:32 AM)

I don't weigh my planes! I strive to get the cg right and let it be. What could I possibly do to lighten. I had to add alot of lbs to get cg right..and I can't remove weight anywhere..so there is no point in weighing the plane. With a da-50, it is NOT a good 3d plane. It is a fair flyer..but not as sharp and stellar as my toc1 (sd-models) YAK. I would NOT recommend for a 3d plane, unless...you put in a big engine (60cc -85cc). You will need to beef up the motor box area if you do this! A heavier engine also creates additional wing loading, alas catch 22. Pick another arf if you want good 3d plane.
bobzilla




greenred -> RE: nitro planes SU-26 50CC specs (11/19/2008 1:52 AM)

bobzilla,

Thanks for the quick response!

Looks like the search continues and looks like I'll have to spend a bunch more $$$!

My sights are now set on this plane;
Airwild Extra 260
http://www.airwildhobbies.com/MoreInfo.asp?title=product&level=2&id=43

Have a great day!

GRR



T3beatz -> RE: nitro planes SU-26 50CC specs (11/19/2008 2:00 AM)

Hey greenred...

While this is a good looking plane and there are things you can do to get the CG right without adding so much nose weight. There are many other good planes out there that are cheap in cost and still have good values...

www.Peakmodel.com has a sell on some of its 50cc/30% arf's, they have good hardware and they all ship free to America!

http://www.shop.dawghouserc.net/category.sc?categoryId=53 Has a new line of 50cc aircraft, While some are the same as the peakmodel planes, they also have different color schemes for those of you who like to stand out and look good. After shipping they only cost about 10.00 dollars more than the peakmodel planes. (I really like the extra 330L with the Dietrich Aircraft extra 260 75cc color scheme, I just might add this to my hangar.) Also hear are some pictures of the Exra 260 from dawghouseRC... http://www.axarmodel.com/component/page,shop.product_details/flypage,shop.garden_flypage/product_id,76/category_id,4/manufacturer_id,0/option,com_virtuemart/Itemid,114/ This is Axarmodel. They sell the same planes. They have nice prices also, don't know about shipping from there though..

and then there is this yak from ebay... the same from nitro planes different color scheme...
http://cgi.ebay.com/Yak-54-Giant-Scale-RC-Plane-85-wingspan-ARF-NR_W0QQitemZ270304249784QQcmdZViewItemQQptZRadio_Control_Vehicles?hash=item270304249784&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
I personally owned one of these and it flew great!... the landing gear is a tad short for a yak, and can use a little beefing up for those rough landings, mine came out to 16.5lbs with a 65cc engine on the front. I still have the plane, but right now I have to fix the fuse, stalled it on landing and cracked it up a little.

To get a good quality 30% arf your gonna come out of your pocket a little, unless you come across a really sweet deal. I'd say 450-560.00 dollars (and thats with shipping) is about the range for the good quality lower priced arfs.



T3beatz -> RE: nitro planes SU-26 50CC specs (11/19/2008 2:21 AM)

The sucky thing about Airwild is the planes don't come with the hardware packages... you have to add the extra 145.00 dollars just for there Hardware. They do have nice planes though, and I guess you can go to the LHS and get your own hardware that won't cost so much. It would be alot better if they just shipped the planes with it.

So that's 499.00 plus shipping, plus hardware... You might as well get an Extreme Flight plane or a Pilot-RC one. At least they come with Hardware, Pilots and Spinners.. and with Pilot RC everything is Mostly done for you!...

www.Pilot-rc.com



Mr.FiberOptic -> RE: nitro planes SU-26 50CC specs (11/19/2008 6:50 AM)

oh man would love to have that 100cc raven the black bird with yellow outline. my uncle build a raven he put a supertigre .90 in. was awesome.



T3beatz -> RE: nitro planes SU-26 50CC specs (11/19/2008 8:44 AM)

yeah, that Raven is a nice looking plane... 50cc or 100cc...



Mr.FiberOptic -> RE: nitro planes SU-26 50CC specs (11/20/2008 12:15 AM)

oh!? there are 2 Raven's. Axarmodel SC has the 100cc size and DawgHouse RC has the 50cc size.

both are out of stock. no price listed for the 100cc just says call for pricing and most of the site is not in english.

Raven 3D 100CC EG AIRCRAFT
http://www.axarmodel.com/component/page,shop.product_details/flypage,shop.garden_flypage/product_id,79/category_id,13/manufacturer_id,0/option,com_virtuemart/Itemid,121/

Raven 50cc series
http://www.shop.dawghouserc.net/product.sc;jsessionid=75B4D22DD4131204119EAFC313434273.qscstrfrnt04?categoryId=53&productId=73

i would like the 100cc lol but does axarmodel's have an english site, cause i don't see one?



bobzilla -> RE: nitro planes SU-26 50CC specs (11/20/2008 12:38 AM)

looks like plane is only $300usd in china
http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/209830748/RAVEN_50cc_gasoline_plane_petrol_plane.html

Dawghouse sells for $579 and hits you with the shipping..which is probably more than what he paid to get plane from china.

hmmm..

no thanks



T3beatz -> RE: nitro planes SU-26 50CC specs (11/20/2008 1:24 AM)

You can google axarmodels site and it can automatically translate it for you. Or, if you Yahoo it there is a translate button when it comes up in the browser next to the site. And Dawghouse RC drop-ships them directly from china... so if you email him I guess he will let you know the status, I thought the same thing then I e-mailed him and he said that they ship from china and to let him know if I wanted one.

Hey bob, Yeah, alot of these resalers try to make tons of money off of these ARF's... If I got in the game I would just lower the price and sell more!! Just because the plane comes with decent hardware and carbon fiber doesn't mean jack the price up! They still get them for cheap!

OH, The 579.00 is with the shipping included also. Still more than what Peakmodel sells there same planes for.

and I also noticed that on Alibaba You can Buy directly from them too!! It says minimum order 1 piece, Nice[:D]



bobzilla -> RE: nitro planes SU-26 50CC specs (11/20/2008 1:46 AM)

I saw that too..1 piece..at around $399...raven sound good.



FOOPED -> RE: nitro planes SU-26 50CC specs (11/20/2008 1:52 AM)

Hey guys which one of yall are or have the RCFG 65 engine and is it a very good engine. Somebody has ordered the 62 but have not heard anything about it. please reply.



T3beatz -> RE: nitro planes SU-26 50CC specs (11/20/2008 2:09 AM)

I have the 65cc... Mine is great to me... after I got it broke in it runs pretty good. one thing you do have to worry about is the pressure inside of the cowling. You can have it running great on the ground and then it gets a little rich in the air because of that. You have to flip the Carb so that the little pressure hole faces to the back, so that the prop wash does not get in there. If you go to the www.zrcgf.com and look under the vids thats me with the 65cc... 1 flip starts and good transitions...

I had the engine on a 18lb 3d plane and it was great!! lots of power... I put a fish scale on it and got 33-35lbs of pull with a Zoar 22x10, I fly with a 24x8 now. I had the old version the one he sales now it the new one.

I have not heard anything about the 62 either. They say its better than the 65cc because of the rear carb and new mods. I'll get one for the next season.



T3beatz -> RE: nitro planes SU-26 50CC specs (11/20/2008 2:11 AM)

Hey bob, and I bet if you got directly in contact with them through e-mail or something they probably will do custom schemes for you... They also probably make the 100cc raven too, its just not listed.



FOOPED -> RE: nitro planes SU-26 50CC specs (11/20/2008 2:23 AM)

Thanks T3beatz I am trying to make up my mind which engine to buy to put on the SU 26 and I do'nt like under powered planes at all. I like to have the power to hang the plane off the prop if I want to. Now mind you I am not brave enought to do this close to the ground cause I might foop . Bobzila gives me the impression that my dl-50 will not have enought soop to do this. Do you think the 65 will pull this SU 26 out of hover



T3beatz -> RE: nitro planes SU-26 50CC specs (11/20/2008 3:30 AM)

I have no doubt. The thing is the DL50 has enough power to get the job done... I've seen them on 18+lb planes and still have great power, but its the CG issue with this one. No one is going to run out and get a 85cc engine just to balance this plane. Most 50cc engines can pull 26-28lbs stock, if your plane comes out at 18lbs you'll still be fine with power but as far as a rocket pull out,it might not be there. If you go with the 62 or the 65cc you will have a little more power and that extra weight up front to help balance the plane out.

T.J.



ChuckW -> RE: nitro planes SU-26 50CC specs (11/20/2008 4:06 AM)

Hey, I was thinking about buying this plane and reading through this thread.

Bobzilla posted some pages from the manual and they looked oddly familiar. He then talked about the manual not making sense in other posts and that got me to thinking even more.... why were those manual pages familiar?

Then I figured it out: I had just got done reading the exact same pages from a Hangar-9 Sukhoi manual. The Nitro Planes manual has stuff copied word for word and picture for picture from the Hangar-9 Manual.

Sounds kind of like the copy of the QQ 69" Yak airframe and manual from Nitro Planes doesn't it?

That made up my mind: I am not going to buy the plane. Yes the price is good and it likely flys great. I'd rather give my hard earned money to others who've worked hard to earn it though, not people copied stuff from those who legitimately created it. Stealing is flat out wrong. I'm not trying to bash Nitro Planes. I sincerely hope it is not there fault and is instead something done by a supplier.

Take a look for yourself... here is the Hangar-9 Manual: http://www.horizonhobby.com/ProdInfo/Files/HAN1225_Manual.pdf

The pictures posted from the Nitro Planes manual are below:



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