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TIPORARE BUILDING THREAD..!!! NOW WITH PICTURES - 8/26/2008 8:17:19 AM   
alcarafa


 

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Thanks to David (doxilia ) scaled TIPORARE plans I started to build a plane I' ve admired for long time.

I have a NIB Magnum XLS .15 so Im building the smallest version of the plans David offered to all us, its been quite some time since I've build a plane from scratch, one of the main reasons to build the plane is I have some balsa in stock, so what better plane to give it use than building a Tiporare.

Some problems I've already encountered building it this size are :

1- Fuel tank size, because fuselage is too narrow in this version., already tried a dubro 4 oz it just dont fit in such a small place.
2- there is not enough room for front landing gear.
3- no way you can use std size servos, they have to be micro's.
4- Selecting balsa to achieve a very light finished plane, hope i have it

I have already cut the fuselage sides, formers etc and its almost finished , I decided to make some cuts to the fuse side to take some weight off.

Already started cutting the balsa for the wings, I'm not using foam wings maybe a little more work but i like it better that way.

As soon as I find my camera USB cable I'll transfer some pics to my PC and post some of them and the advance of this project, Im sure I' ll come out with an outstanding pattern plane.

To be continued...

Rafa









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RE: TIPORARE BUILDING THREAD..!!! - 8/27/2008 5:57:22 AM   
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Good stuff Rafa!

Have you looked into Sullivan tanks? An S425/S725 (89L x 51H x 35W) rectangular tank should fit with some restrictions on nose wheel size. The opening in F1 (B-A) is just about 35mm so with a little sanding you should be able to slide the tank right in there even if the back sticks out a bit. The flex tank helps with this. I've also installed slant tanks on their side and a 3 or 4 oz should fit.

For the wheels I was thinking about DuBro Micro Sports. They have a 37mm (mains) and 31mm (nose) size. I have not looked at these wheels in person so I'm not sure how robust they are but I suspect they'd work. HiMax also carries similar ones. They'll have to be drilled out. Also, I think Dave Brown has some nice light wheels (Lectra Lite or something like that) that should work.

For the nose gear, Robart's A123 piece should do fine and it should also fit below the tank possibly mounted onto a triangle stock reinforced 1/16 ply tank plate against the FW. I would stay clear of Robart's A123 mains as they are tricky to mount due to the bearings on the flanges. GP's 1/2A should work well.

Micro servos strike me as mandatory on a model this size. At the cost of HS-55's you can't go wrong although I would be inclined to using HS-65's (Karbonite). Hobbico also has some nice digitals (a little bigger) at a good price - CS110 and 115, I think. Perhaps better for the 20 size. My comment about servos in the lost post was that I would mount the elevator servo on its side at the depth of the tuck line. You would then run the Y pushrod from the inside of the servo horn making sure it doesn't bind using a long arm and adjustment of the end points with your radio. I've done this before and it works nicely. I used a DBr FG rod. You could also use dual HS-55's servo tape mounted onto the fuse sides running dual rods to the elevators and mixing them. For the rudder I would go with a light P-P setup with the servo vertically mounted right in front of the elevator servo.

I'm glad you removed some material from the fuse sides. "My plans" call for triple holes, about 1" OD, in the radio bay area, at least one in the tank area and probably two behind F2. Just watch out for weakening the tail area too much behind the doubler. The doubler keeps things nice and rigid even with the holes. Also, make sure you drill out the fuse top which is probably 1/4" balsa. Decreasing diameter holes from fore to aft on the top should work out nicely. Of course, the nose bottom could probably also have a couple of holes in it although it might be necessary to keep weight up front as these models tended to be tail heavy. This of course would only apply to a fixed gear model as you will otherwise have the opening for the retract gear.

Finally, although you might have already cut your formers, slightly wider formers would help things in terms of fit. We talked about this in the plans thread.

Hope you find that USB cable soon! I want to see some pics of that Picorare!

I'm hoping to start the Nanorare (20 size) soon. I just have to get around to measuring and ordering the wood. As I already have a list of materials for the 10 size it's just a matter of scaling it.

Cheers, David.



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RE: TIPORARE BUILDING THREAD..!!! - 8/27/2008 6:42:56 AM   
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DAVID THANKS FOR ALL YOUR COMMENTS THEY ARE VERY HELPFULL, AS I STATED BEFORE FUSELAGE IS ALMOST READY THINK IS TOO LATE TO MAKE IT WIDER I STARTED WITH THE WINGS, BECAUSE THE FUSELAGE IS SO NARROW AND SPACE BEHIND FW IS SO LITTLE I MAY COMMIT HERECY HERE, THERE IS NO OTHER CHOICE BUT TO MAKE IT A TAIL DRAGGER.
THIS BABY IS ALREADY LOOKING GREAT.

I WISH I COULD FIND THE D..MN USB CABLE SO YOU GUYS CAN HAVE A LOOK AT IT.

REGARDS.
RAFA

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RE: TIPORARE BUILDING THREAD..!!! - 8/27/2008 7:19:58 AM   
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Rafa,

well, as you know, heresy is widely disapproved of and oft punished at the stake!

...but, if you see no way of fitting a nose gear, the flames may be spared.

Are you going to put retracts in for the mains?

Hey, does your computer have a card reader? If so, you can just pull the card from the camera and drop it in. That's what I do so I simply leave the cable forgotten where it last was

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RE: TIPORARE BUILDING THREAD..!!! - 9/5/2008 3:37:03 AM   
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Rafa,

well, as you know, heresy is widely disapproved of and oft punished at the stake!

...but, if you see no way of fitting a nose gear, the flames may be spared.

Are you going to put retracts in for the mains?

Hey, does your computer have a card reader? If so, you can just pull the card from the camera and drop it in. That's what I do so I simply leave the cable forgotten where it last was



Here are some pics of the building process of the Tipo starting from the cutting of the ribs thru the building of the fuselage.
Hope you guys like them.

Regards.
Rafa

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RE: TIPORARE BUILDING THREAD..!!! - 9/5/2008 3:47:13 AM   
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Ok guys here come more pics, enjoy it.

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RE: TIPORARE BUILDING THREAD..!!! - 9/5/2008 3:53:33 AM   
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And more pics

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RE: TIPORARE BUILDING THREAD..!!! - 9/5/2008 3:59:32 AM   
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Lots more pics, its almost ready already covered what I need to do now is to install radio, tank, pushrods and some minor stuff.

I' ll fly this baby with a Spektrum DX7 and AR 6000 reciever.

Will post some more pics later.


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RE: TIPORARE BUILDING THREAD..!!! - 9/5/2008 4:10:02 AM   
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Hey Rafa,

Great pics! I see that you modified the fuselage quite a bit. Are you planning on putting a plastic canopy in place of the closed nose of the original? Did you end up making the fuselage wider in the nose area?

Also, it looks like you made your tail surfaces out of sheet balsa? If so, I would recommend that you cut some lightening holes as the model may end up pretty tail heavy otherwise. On the note of flying surfaces, if you're interested in a set of foam cores, send me a PM. In any case, I applaud you for going to the extra work of a built up wing.

I hope to get started on mine soon (goodies on their way). Spent the day yesterday re-arranging my workshop to accomodate a second larger table and an eventual third table for giant scale models. Can't have too many tables or... put another way, too many projects going at once

Keep em coming!

Cheers, David.

Wow! I see. I was replying while you were posting more pics. What do you have in mind for servos?



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RE: TIPORARE BUILDING THREAD..!!! NOW WITH PICTURES - 9/5/2008 4:27:12 AM   
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Salut David its been quite some work , I dont think i'll put a plastic canopy in place of the closed nose like the original plane , yes the surfaces are made out of sheet balsa, but I think that engine weight will compensate that since I'll use a .15 engine.

Will see how it comes out and let you know, Ilive in México and sometimes is hard to get what I need in order to acomplish a project.

The foam cores would be great thanks, lets keep in touch.

Regards.
Rafa

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