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Pentagon Predator's Crashing - 8/26/2008 2:04:56 PM   
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Reading today's news, there have been many Predator's crashing. Pilot error they say. Just what we need, our enemy's dissecting our technology and RC gear, etc. Why doesn't the Pentagon get the AMA involved in this ?

I remember Don Lowe in the late 60's and early 70's, was in charge of the Air Force Program at WPAFB for this. I think they were using regular AF pilot's, training with a TV screen inside an A/C van, and the camera's in the nose of the RPV. That was primitive compared to today's technology, but a lot of it started there.

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RE: Pentagon Predator's Crashing - 8/26/2008 4:55:31 PM   
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The article is not very specific about the human error causes. "On rare occasions, pilots bank the aircraft so steeply that the drones briefly lose contact with the satellite feeding them commands."

Aren't Predators just big powered gliders? It seems to me you could install some sort of failsafe that brings them back to straight and level if the signal is lost.

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RE: Pentagon Predator's Crashing - 8/26/2008 5:21:42 PM   
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this is the gov't you're talking about. fail safe? what fail safe?

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RE: Pentagon Predator's Crashing - 8/26/2008 5:30:08 PM   
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"The Air Force has increased the sheer volume of pilots put through the training pipeline and shipped them off to war with the bare minimum training required"



If they're that anxious for Predator pilots, I have one thing to say: "Where do I sign?"

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RE: Pentagon Predator's Crashing - 8/26/2008 5:41:13 PM   
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Looks like Predator's

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RE: Pentagon Predator's Crashing - 8/26/2008 10:51:07 PM   
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Running the aircraft out of fuel would be one of the few things that a pilot could do to crash the bird.

Basically, the aircraft (Predators) fly themselves autonomously and do not need a steady RF link to continue flying. Pilot choices, such as overriding autonomous control to fly low in a mountainous area for a look-see could also be a problem. Frankly, I doubt that is the problem. Of course, like the rest of us, I don't know anything for a fact either.

Many folks underestimate the amount of technology and vast wealth behind the terrorist movements. Perhaps someone has developed an EMP weapon that is portable and effective. Or someone (more likely) has found a way to influence the bird's programming. Many of my friends of Arabic descent are super programmers. Yeah, stereotyping, but in this case it works.

It puzzles me as to why an official government source would provide the enemy with such information in a public manner.


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RE: Pentagon Predator's Crashing - 8/27/2008 12:55:17 AM   
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Taurus Flyer : Wood, great idea, very stealth. Good job !

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RE: Pentagon Predator's Crashing - 8/27/2008 2:38:10 PM   
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Predator pilots actually have full control over the aircraft for a good portion of the mission profile. The autonomous flight feature is mainly for preplanned searches and getting to and from a target area. Those Predator videos, which float around the internet, are normally from aircraft under pilot control.

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RE: Pentagon Predator's Crashing - 9/7/2008 10:34:22 PM   
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Hello Crankpin,

You remember my plane and post were gone, stealth?
See the video Teletube Test in member airplane video's, Remote control by video link with altimeter and variometer. Test flight for the Taurus in the future.
Tell me what do you think about it?


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RE: Pentagon Predator's Crashing - 9/8/2008 3:52:37 AM   
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On a UAV of that size I am almost 100% positive that they would have somthing of a "loss coms Plan". I fly a small UAV for the NAVY and we have a "loss com" directive in our Autopilot in the Aircraft.

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RE: Pentagon Predator's Crashing - 9/8/2008 10:15:12 AM   
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Predator pilots actually have full control over the aircraft for a good portion of the mission profile. The autonomous flight feature is mainly for preplanned searches and getting to and from a target area. Those Predator videos, which float around the internet, are normally from aircraft under pilot control.



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Why? All one would need is a stabilizing system and a simple joystick with left and right control. No "pilot" is necessary.

If commercial airliners can be landed successfully via computer with no human input, and they can, certainly the autonomous flight control system can be upgraded to the point that no real professional pilot is needed for any part of the UAV's mission. This is just so much "good old boy" crap to use as an excuse to keep training real pilots at a time when they are becoming obsolete.

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RE: Pentagon Predator's Crashing - 9/8/2008 10:45:25 AM   
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Hello Crankpin,

You remember my plane and post were gone, stealth?
See the video Teletube Test in member airplane video's, Remote control by video link with altimeter and variometer. Test flight for the Taurus in the future.
Tell me what do you think about it?


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RE: Pentagon Predator's Crashing - 9/8/2008 6:06:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Ed Cregger

Why? All one would need is a stabilizing system and a simple joystick with left and right control. No "pilot" is necessary.

If commercial airliners can be landed successfully via computer with no human input, and they can, certainly the autonomous flight control system can be upgraded to the point that no real professional pilot is needed for any part of the UAV's mission. This is just so much "good old boy" crap to use as an excuse to keep training real pilots at a time when they are becoming obsolete.

Ed Cregger


You might have to deviate from the flight plan every now and then. Maybe the General wants you to circle a jeep, so he can get a closer look at it.

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RE: Pentagon Predator's Crashing - 9/8/2008 8:16:44 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Ed Cregger

Why? All one would need is a stabilizing system and a simple joystick with left and right control. No "pilot" is necessary.

If commercial airliners can be landed successfully via computer with no human input, and they can, certainly the autonomous flight control system can be upgraded to the point that no real professional pilot is needed for any part of the UAV's mission. This is just so much "good old boy" crap to use as an excuse to keep training real pilots at a time when they are becoming obsolete.

Ed Cregger


You might have to deviate from the flight plan every now and then. Maybe the General wants you to circle a jeep, so he can get a closer look at it.

Tom


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I grew up wanting to graduate from the USAF Academy and be trained to be a pilot afterwards. Never happened because of astigmatism and the need for eyeglasses. I was heart broken, but such is life.

So, what I'm saying is that I don't have it out for professional pilots. After all, I wanted to be one myself.

When the UAV is set up properly for autonomous flight, which I feel certain that they are, all a curious general would need to do is move the rudder stick, or equivalent, left or right to take a detour to the anticipated target area or area of interest. What would really happen, though, is that an enlisted man would find the coordinates for the site of interest and then plug them into the computer onboard the UAV via satellite link. The General might get to aim the observational array, but I doubt he would cheat the enlisted man out of doing his job. In fact, there would be no real reason to have the General at the UAV flight center. His observations could be made and then transmitted to him via the internet, perhaps even to his laptop or cellphone.

I am not against real people flying planes. I am against real human beings being captured and tortured for absolutely no benefit to our country, if you know what I mean. The vast majority of USAF flying will eventually be taken over by pilotless aircraft. Just as the infantry will eventually (long time from now) by combat robots, whose operators will be connected via telepresence and will actually experience the feeling of being there within their robot substitute body. Yes, I am a sci-fi writer too, so such unusual ideas are not new to me.


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