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Setting Up The Fulcrum Arm on a Walbro Carb - 8/26/2008 11:55:26 PM   
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I am using the Walbro Metering Lever Gauge to set up the fulcrum arm on my WT-231 carb. There seem to be two schools of thought here. One is to adjust the arm so it just touches the the center portion of the gauge when placed over the body of the carb., paying little attention to whether or not the needle moves. Another method is to set up the lever so that when the gauge is positioned over the carb body, the needle is just barely starting to open, i.e. the fuel is starting to be drawn inot the chamber.

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RE: Setting Up The Fulcrum Arm on a Walbro Carb - 8/27/2008 4:21:07 PM   
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The lever should touch the gauge without admitting fuel.

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RE: Setting Up The Fulcrum Arm on a Walbro Carb - 8/28/2008 2:57:12 AM   
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PE...can a person have a short fuel line on the inlet and blow in the tube (with lung pressure) and see if this valve works correctly? Capt,n

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RE: Setting Up The Fulcrum Arm on a Walbro Carb - 8/28/2008 4:25:51 AM   
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I know you asked PE but I don't think lung pressure can reach the level of pop off pressure....I thought it was 10-15 psi or something in that area. You can get a pump and a gauge from an auto store. Many people have done this. I believe you just pump air into the fuel inlet and wait until you see the pressure suddenly drop off. That would be the pop off pressure.

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RE: Setting Up The Fulcrum Arm on a Walbro Carb - 8/28/2008 6:41:34 PM   
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That's the way I do it. I have a non-return valve in the pressure line between pump and pressure gauge, and use a depth micrometer to check lever height. When I screw in the spindle, the height that the pressure drops is the measurement I am after. (I use a bicycle hand pump BTW)
I found pop-off pressures as high as 30 lbs/in^2. According to Walbro that is OK, and it agrees with my own observations. Any lower than 15 lbs, and I ran into trouble with leaking needle valve.

Lacking pump etc. Have a long line full with fuel, and hang it up over the rafter. When the fuel level in the line is steady, the needle valve seals. The moment the fuel level drops, the needle valve opens.

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RE: Setting Up The Fulcrum Arm on a Walbro Carb - 8/30/2008 8:08:09 AM   
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Hi Guys, I am the ONLY person I know that even has a popoff gauge !! I use it all the time to tune the midrange mixures on my Walbro's and alot of my buddys carbs that need it ! When the carb butterfly swings past the 3rd idle transfer hole (located in the venturi) at about 35% throttle opening, no more fuel enters the venturi ( only air), UNTIL, the popoff occurs, which then allows fuel to begin flowing thru the high speed curcuit and out the high speed orifice downstream of the idle transfer holes. If your popoff is set too high for your particular engine / prop combo, you could be too lean between 35% and 60% throttle opening. After you have set the low speed needle for good response, and then the engine really smooths out and looses throttle response at 1/2 throttle, ( blipping the throttle from 1/2 to 3/4 throttle and the carb arm moves without an increase in rpms), your too lean at 1/2 throttle. Your full throttle needle setting could be just fine, but your too lean at 1/2 throttle. Since you don't have a needle for your 1/2 throttle setting, you need to lower the popoff pressure. That is done by shortning the spring under the metering arm, BUT , you 1st need to check what you have for a popoff as a baseline. , I have seen alot of carbs popoff in excess of 30lbs., and everyone of those engines were too lean at 1/2 throttle. My G-45's like about a 22lb. popoff. My G-38's like 15lbs. Every gas engine prop combo, is going to require something different to be just right. I set my mixures to achive an intermitant 4 stroke blip ( 1 blip approx every 2 seconds) at all constant power settings. This is something you have to listen for, and when you are there, you will ALWAYS know exactly where your mixure setting is. There is a narrow window of smooth engine operation. If its smooth, with your throttle held at a constant setting, you can't tell if your on the lean edge of the window, ( on the verge of a flat spot), or the rich edge of the window, ( on the verge of a 4 stroke blip). With your carb set with an intermitant 4 stroke blip, you will always have good throttle response and you will always know exactly where your mixure is because it will tell you every 2 seconds......... EC Distributing sells a 0-30lb. gauge for about $35.00 phone # is 615-446-6807....Everybody is going to have a different tuning method, but this method has never let me down....Hope this helps guys.......Rick Simmons

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RE: Setting Up The Fulcrum Arm on a Walbro Carb - 8/30/2008 8:39:47 PM   
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When the carb butterfly swings past the 3rd idle transfer hole (located in the venturi) at about 35% throttle opening, no more fuel enters the venturi ( only air), UNTIL, the popoff occurs

This is a misconception.
Rest assured, you are not the only person that checks pop-off. Only the importance should not be overrated.
As compared to float carburettors, pop-off relates like this:
High pop-off (more than 24 lbs) is like having a low float level
normal pop-off (18 - 24 lbs) is like a normal float level
Low pop-off (less than 18 lbs) is like a high float level.
Most Walbro carbs I tested had pop-off in the 30+ lbs range!

High float levels make for slightly richer high ends
low float levels make for slightly leaner high ends

The Honda 50cc had a 1/3rd throttle problem, but that was slide chamfer related, not float level.

In racing, we used Dell' Orto carbs with adjustable float chamber. Not so much as to adjust the height, but more for the position related to the main jet, so we could get slightly richer mixtures while accelerating and leaner mixtures while decselerating.
Rich or lean idle and high conditions were adjusted by main jets, idle bleed screw slide chamfer and slide needle. Not by float height, which once set at intermediate position was best left alone. And yes, we re-jetted before every race depending on weather, gearing and track.

I found the same results in playing with pop-off pressures. They confuse the matter more than that they solve problems.

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RE: Setting Up The Fulcrum Arm on a Walbro Carb - 8/31/2008 1:36:52 AM   
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Three needle carbs sure work nice and make low, mid and high all adjustable

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RE: Setting Up The Fulcrum Arm on a Walbro Carb - 8/31/2008 6:59:03 AM   
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Three needle carbs
Elaborate please. Who makes them for engines the size we use in this hobby?

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RE: Setting Up The Fulcrum Arm on a Walbro Carb - 8/31/2008 7:29:00 AM   
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Hi Guys, this is an Enya 80X 2 stroke 3 needle carb. It has an air bleed idle screw, a midrange mixure screw ( by the throttle arm) and a high speed needle. I have these on my Moki 3.6 twin cly. engines I have on my Ziroli P-38. I also like the supertigre carbs after you have drilled the air bleed hole to lean the idle out a little, but they only have 2 needles. O.S. made some .60 size heli engines that had 3 needles also, back in the mid 1990's. They may use them on the .90 size engines? For gas engines, as far as I know,,,,, you are pretty much limited to the Walbro's and the Tillitsons with just 2 needles. Rick

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RE: Setting Up The Fulcrum Arm on a Walbro Carb - 8/31/2008 9:57:54 PM   
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Three needle carbs
Elaborate please. Who makes them for engines the size we use in this hobby?


If you have as spare walbro laying around and don't mind experimenting I can try to explain how it is done. Oh the walbro must have a high speed governor

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