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Detailing of Williams Bros Wheels - 9/1/2008 12:44:01 AM   
KitBuilder



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Status: online 		Does anyone have pics or ideas on detailing Williams Bros Wheels. I purchased a pair of 4 3/8" Vintage II style for a 1/6 scale Nieuport 17.


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RE: Detailing of Williams Bros Wheels - 9/1/2008 2:12:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		There have been several threads on this subject, But I can't find any of them.
So, I guess I'll tell you about my method.
First, I extended the hub out about 1/4 of an inch with brass tubing. Then I put a plastic bushing over the brass.
Then I cut out the area where the valve stem would go.
Next, I drilled 16 holes in the wheel and the bushing and added music wire spokes.
I stretched some of the covering fabric around a wire ring and glued it to the rim.
I used several colors of oil pastels to get the "used" look on the tires.
I hope this helps.
Steve

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RE: Detailing of Williams Bros Wheels - 9/1/2008 4:02:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here are two extensive threads on scale WWI wheels:

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_1775839/anchors_1775839/mpage_1/key_Tricking%252Cwheels/anchor/tm.htm#1775839

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_3197779/anchors_3197779/mpage_1/key_Tricking%252Cwheels/anchor/tm.htm#3197779



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RE: Detailing of Williams Bros Wheels - 9/1/2008 4:09:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		And here are a couple more on making spoked wheels:

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_2693952/anchors_2693952/mpage_1/key_spoked%252Cwheels/anchor/tm.htm#2693952

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_3667406/anchors_3667406/mpage_1/key_spoked%252Cwheels/anchor/tm.htm#3667406


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RE: Detailing of Williams Bros Wheels - 9/1/2008 5:36:04 AM   
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quote:

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Does anyone have pics or ideas on detailing Williams Bros Wheels. I purchased a pair of 4 3/8" Vintage II style for a 1/6 scale Nieuport 17.



I know it's not what you are asking but are you aware of the TopFlite wire wheels? They are 4" dia.

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RE: Detailing of Williams Bros Wheels - 9/1/2008 1:24:06 PM   
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Status: online 		Thanks for the replies and links. I knew about the wire wheels and I guess I could have covered them giving the same and probably better look. I wasn't expecting the WB's wheels to be so heavy.. smcouch... nice job


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RE: Detailing of Williams Bros Wheels - 9/1/2008 4:18:02 PM   
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Status: online 		I dont like how heavy they are either. I made some plywood wheels to test the weight theory and the planes fly better without the weight and it being way below the CG. The wheels are strong enough for a 20 lb plane.

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RE: Detailing of Williams Bros Wheels - 9/1/2008 9:50:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		What I like about WB wheels is, the tires can't come off the rims. Dave Johnson missed out on going to the world competition because a tire rolled off the rim and trashed his plane. I'll stick with WB.
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RE: Detailing of Williams Bros Wheels - 9/2/2008 1:08:14 AM   
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Status: online 		I did like the cross section with the rubber sandwiched in there. Since I am looking to add some detail and go with a covering over top, I wonder how much weight would be saved if one adds some lightening holes to the rim on each side. The rubber seems pretty solid so I'm assuming that is where most of the weight is coming from and the lightening holes may not do much?

TFF... what did you use for the rubber on your homemade wheels. That is what kept me from making my own. I didn't want to have a piece or rubber with a butt joint. I was looking for large O-rings or similar w/out much success.

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RE: Detailing of Williams Bros Wheels - 9/2/2008 2:44:24 AM   
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Status: online 		Sorry to say I had no rubber, but I will try to cast some next time. The wheels were 3/16 ply disk with wood spokes and 1/4 balsa around the outside edge and at the center with a nyrod center. They were covered with Coverite and painted. I am lucky that I have a grass field. I am also thinking of trying some of the Dave Brown wheels and lathe them into the right shape and add covers. On my Fokker D8 it really helped flying, and they have been tough as each landing is an adventure.

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RE: Detailing of Williams Bros Wheels - 9/2/2008 3:32:31 AM   
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I did like the cross section with the rubber sandwiched in there. Since I am looking to add some detail and go with a covering over top, I wonder how much weight would be saved if one adds some lightening holes to the rim on each side. The rubber seems pretty solid so I'm assuming that is where most of the weight is coming from and the lightening holes may not do much?


As I said in the thread comparing the WB and Flair wheels (see above), the WB tires are hollow (as are the Flair tires) but with a foam insert to add substance. They are NOT solid rubber tires. The hubs are made of fairly thick plastic and so in addition to drilling lightening holes you can also shave down the thickness from the interior of the hubs. This requires that you either use a considerable amount of force to tear the halves apart (as I did) or you need to use a solvent of some sort.

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I didn't want to have a piece or rubber with a butt joint. I was looking for large O-rings or similar w/out much success.


If does well this can look very good. I used automotive fuel tubing with a bit of wooden dowel to join the ends.

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