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RE: EXI-450 discussions/mods/scale projects - 10/14/2008 5:32 AM   
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I can't wait to see the end results with that OH-6A ! Looks so good... I also agree with what you said on wishing there were more of a selection of glass fuses... Everyone and there grandmother has the Airwolf, Augusta etc. etc.. Hopefully soon, maybe they will come out with a little more variation... I guess we just sit and wait eh ? Or build our own..... Hmmmmm...

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Absolutely... Airwhiff, 22222/s, etc etc etc... Not for me neither... I prefer old school stuff or just plain simple the odd ball stuff. Something that can sit on the field and not blend in with all the other heli's that have EXACTLY the same shapes but ooooo such pretty colors. Most being airbrushed by someone else other than the owner/pilot. Thats why I'm stuck on Ed's canopies because he does differnt stuff and he's not charging hundreds of dollars in coinage for them either. A man is worthy of his wages but come on... a lot of other places is simply gouging.

But then there is making your own... hhmmm... I don't work with glass but I have moulding materials and all the tools I need to make moulds. maybe its worth a try see'n as winter is starting to knock on the door... way to soon

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My heliartist glass 500d fuse was 89 bux.I think thats a fair price considering most go around 129.Just my opinion.
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RE: EXI-450 discussions/mods/scale projects - 10/14/2008 5:41 AM   
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The Fiberglass fuselages on average are just to heavy for the 450 size helis. Majority of the people are flying on 3s setups . Example, if my blackhawk weighs 250 grams, do you have any idea what a FG Blackhawk fuse is going to weigh being the same size ? To get it in an ideal weight range, it will then be to fragile. Another good comparison is the FG Jet Rangers Im reading where they are weighing in at over 250 grams. my .030 Styrene fuselage is weighing in at about 70-80 grams.
The HA FG MD bodies are weighing in at over 269 grams, my MD 500 Defender with rocket pods and minigun with landing gear and chassis mount and painted weighs in at 194 grams. The regular 500D or E weighs even less. Flying the lighter bodies are just more economical.

BS.Thats your opinion Ed.There are a lot of us who prefer glass fuses to plastic,bottom line.I also don't give a damn about being more economical either.Why is it whenever somebody shows a scale project you jump in and start your stuff on why your fuses are so much better? I've seen you do this on more then one net.If you don't like those of us that prefer flying glass fuses then leave.If I wanted another plastic fuse,I would have bought one.As it is,I think they are junk,okay?? You ain't the defineing word for scale,or 450's man.I understand your wanting to sell your wares,and all the power to you and I wish you success,but don't tell me glass fuses don't fly well or fall thru the rotor wash etc.I'm sick of your broken record crap about what other people like,or you being ripped off.If you don't have anything constructive to add,don't add.
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RE: EXI-450 discussions/mods/scale projects - 10/14/2008 3:12 PM   
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Lochief, I think you missed a dose of your medication, Show me where I said better. We were talking about weights and the difference a heli heli handles carrying more or less weight. Why is it you guys read so much into what is being said. Show me any of my post where I promote my stuff as being better. I think that you are allowing your awareness of me making bodies and been doing this interfere with judgement calls. Im a hobbyist first and I do participate only to help impart some of the knowledge I have picked up over the years. So cuss me out and dog me out if you would but its unfounded. Dont take it out on me. I see this kind of responces from alot of people who dont think before they speak especially if they have felt they have been slighted in a way when they havent. I hope youre not suffering from Post dramatic stress. Sounds like you got some kinda issue going on.

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RE: EXI-450 discussions/mods/scale projects - 10/14/2008 3:20 PM   
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Speaking of more economical I was referencing that many people have stock setups which majority are 3s systems. which are cheaper than a 4s systems. Batteries cost more, ESC cost more, Charger cost more, I wasnt refering to the cost of my product over another. Sorry charlie, you read it wrong.

Man, Im sorry for even implying my over six years of experience in working with the various materials and flying these helis really meant anything.
I dint know it was anything like an real airplane pilot trying to tell a real heli pilot how to fly a real heli.

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RE: EXI-450 discussions/mods/scale projects - 10/14/2008 4:20 PM   
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From what I can see its a little like comparing two brands of apples and trying to convince everyone ur brand of apple is better. They are both apples but with some different characteristics. Obviously the heavier product will make the heli handle slow and sluggish as opposed to a lighter heli. To many variables come into play here to start listing off but if a glass canopy was available in the quality I've seen here and a reasonable price... I'd be buy'n one.

I currently buy Ed's because the price is good but mostly because he's the only one with some variety. Like I said I really do hate the standard pointy nosed stupid look'n canopies that heli's come with. They are mainly for 3D flying and for that they work fine but I'm not into 3D at this time and actually prefer the scales which is why I'm here and buying a scale... again.

But in all fairness I have seen you Ed where you have run down glass cabs before. I'm not going to dog you or anything and I really like your babs and have NO trouble with you sell'n your wares here. Smeg... I push your product here probably more than anyone else here or on other forums as well. Bottom line... I'd rather talk about scale'n these heli's than listen to a couple guys in a piss'n contest... cheers??
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RE: EXI-450 discussions/mods/scale projects - 10/14/2008 4:47 PM   
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I started out working with Fiberglass. i made a Jet Ranger fuselage years ago and it was a tank compared to one which was vac formed. When trying to fly it it didnt fly well because of the weight. yes as I stated before FG would be nice if they could get the weight down a little but from experince and from reading others attempts, to get it in an ideal range, it would be a little to brittle and Im only referencing the smaller mini and micro size fuselages. Reflecting back to my earlier fuselage making years, there were only a few of us making fusleages . JMD was another pioneer in the field. We use to share promote each others stuff. If you like the FG bodies, go for it. It would be nice though if they were lighter in weight , if they were, I would probably buy them myself. Every once in a while Id get an email someone wanting to trade a HA fuselage or ScaleOHeli FG fuselage. My thought is if its to heavy and they dont like it what use would it be for me? If i would have taken the trades, I would have at least about 3 of them in the span of at least the last 6 months.
Lochief, just keep us posted. Man, dont take it personal.

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RE: EXI-450 discussions/mods/scale projects - 10/14/2008 5:37 PM   
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After having done my first cabin, the Huey I bought from Ed, the biggest problem I had with it was its flexibility. This works for and against you. When I was trimming it out I made a few 'mistakes' needless to say. Because I hadn't done it before. I even made a vid of the whole process, which I deleted... Maybe I'll make another one with the DragonFly. I deleted the vid because I wasn't totally happy in the way the cabin turned out because some of the mistakes were to obvious. From about 5 feet away you wouldn't, hopefully, have noticed them unless really looking but I noticed and didn't like it.

Back to subject. I felt your instructions were a little lacking. Needed better trimming tips and edging tips as in how to get the best results type of tips. Getting the interlocking edges was a real pain in the a$$ for me... because I'd never done it before. Ended up putting small tabs glued in places then a screw thru the.

I'm hoping to do a MUCH better job now that I've done one. So what I've learned I can apply to te second one. EXCEPT now I have to fashion my own landing gear... Did these heli's, the real ones, ever fly with a big block of wood under them as landing gear??? I have several blocks that might work... lol

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RE: EXI-450 discussions/mods/scale projects - 10/14/2008 6:02 PM   
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After having done my first cabin, the Huey I bought from Ed, the biggest problem I had with it was its flexibility. This works for and against you. When I was trimming it out I made a few 'mistakes' needless to say. Because I hadn't done it before. I even made a vid of the whole process, which I deleted... Maybe I'll make another one with the DragonFly. I deleted the vid because I wasn't totally happy in the way the cabin turned out because some of the mistakes were to obvious. From about 5 feet away you wouldn't, hopefully, have noticed them unless really looking but I noticed and didn't like it.

Back to subject. I felt your instructions were a little lacking. Needed better trimming tips and edging tips as in how to get the best results type of tips. Getting the interlocking edges was a real pain in the a$$ for me... because I'd never done it before. Ended up putting small tabs glued in places then a screw thru the.

I'm hoping to do a MUCH better job now that I've done one. So what I've learned I can apply to te second one. EXCEPT now I have to fashion my own landing gear... Did these heli's, the real ones, ever fly with a big block of wood under them as landing gear??? I have several blocks that might work... lol

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I've done 5 so far. The more you do, the more you learn. I seldom follow the poor instructions included in ANY kit. I ALWAYS make the front of the cabin where it seperates behind the front doors for battery access, and I have a screw pointed down on top center and two facing up on the bottom for a 3 point attach to drilled plastic tabs on the front part of the cabin. Basically, its a screw interlocking attachment and it's a natural state of attachment. NO velcro (tried that), no removing screws to access the battery, with the screw interlock, install and removal are instant, and a one hand operation.

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RE: EXI-450 discussions/mods/scale projects - 10/14/2008 6:24 PM   
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Come on guys, Im no big manufacturing operation, I work outta my house. Sometimes the turn around on bodies can be as long as a month but its a rare thing for it to take that long. Average is week to two weeks. Im usually just passing on info and like to participate in the forums. Really its a hobby that turned into a quasied business. Yes I do file Taxes on this stuff. As far as building the bodies, I do offer the option for those that dont feel they are up to it. Really its pretty simple. Sorry about some of the instructions being kinda vague. I do stay busy with this stuff, Im not really pushing it for the simple reason Im one man and everything is done by me. Yes, I do get burned out sometimes and have to take a break here and there. My work schedule is all day long almost everyday. People have called me after 11:00PM and Im still up processing bodies.
There is no telling how many of these I have done and Im still learning new techniques and ways to doing things.

If you do a search on "Darthdrk" you will find some pretty old posts and you can see how that over time I have gotten better at this stuff. I look back at some of my earlier stuff and its painful to look at comparing to whats being done today. I even still have some of my old bodies around.

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RE: EXI-450 discussions/mods/scale projects - 10/14/2008 6:52 PM   
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Bro... no worries... nobody is diss'n you. I merely stated that the instructions were somewhat lacking. Understood you are a lone operator.. no worries. As an idea on your site you might want to open up at section for people to post tips to... Food for thought. We are ALL learning here. If you get to the point where you don't learn anything new... then lets see you walk on water... bet that will take some time to get the better of.

I think ur getting to defensive. Probably many here KNOW what its like to be a one man operation. Worst job in the biz is the complaint dept. you just simply can not please everyone no matter how hard you try... so you have to realize that you can't, draw a line and give it your best to that line... You can most often tell who you can do the extra for and they will appreciate it. Thats business. But Ed. please don't take everything as an attack... its not.

Just as a thought... maybe ur wife/GF/whoever can type some of the suggestions into your website for you, update it a bit. The knowledge you have or anyone else has here for that matter is useless info if its not shared. The point of this thread, I thought, was to share the info on HOW things are done in order to get some kind of scale heli that not only fly's nice but looks somewhat realistic.. no??? oh.. and enjoy the process as a bonus....

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RE: EXI-450 discussions/mods/scale projects - 10/14/2008 8:53 PM   
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Bro... no worries... nobody is diss'n you. I merely stated that the instructions were somewhat lacking. Understood you are a lone operator.. no worries. As an idea on your site you might want to open up at section for people to post tips to... Food for thought. We are ALL learning here. If you get to the point where you don't learn anything new... then lets see you walk on water... bet that will take some time to get the better of.

I think ur getting to defensive. Probably many here KNOW what its like to be a one man operation. Worst job in the biz is the complaint dept. you just simply can not please everyone no matter how hard you try... so you have to realize that you can't, draw a line and give it your best to that line... You can most often tell who you can do the extra for and they will appreciate it. Thats business. But Ed. please don't take everything as an attack... its not.

Just as a thought... maybe ur wife/GF/whoever can type some of the suggestions into your website for you, update it a bit. The knowledge you have or anyone else has here for that matter is useless info if its not shared. The point of this thread, I thought, was to share the info on HOW things are done in order to get some kind of scale heli that not only fly's nice but looks somewhat realistic.. no??? oh.. and enjoy the process as a bonus....

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You are quite correct. This is for exchange of ideas, improvements, which products are good, which ones aren't, all that neat stuff. Since we're not mega-millions winners...we got to make the buck stretch as far as we can and still obtain results that are acceptable and maintain a degree of quality consistant with the attention to detail we put into it. Nobody wants a scaler that looks like CRAP...no "wow" factor there, and it needs to fly decient too.

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RE: EXI-450 discussions/mods/scale projects - 10/14/2008 11:30 PM   
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Maybe you of you plankers can answer this for me better. I ordered the DragonFly cab from Ed and will have to fashion my own landing gear.

Not sure that pic post went successful, prolly two pics which the preview doesn't show, stupid head thing.

Anyway for the front nose wheel gear, what size should I be looking for?? This is for the EXI 450 remember. Also.. For the two mainrear wheels what sizes there too?? I'm thinking of putting the lower flat looking strut on a hinge type of connection and the rod I want to put on a shock absorber. Probably mount that just inside the canopy. This would give it a little bounce whenit settles instead of a more solid bump... My thinking anyway. Unless someone already has tried this and it don't work.

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RE: EXI-450 discussions/mods/scale projects - 10/14/2008 11:58 PM   
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Maybe you of you plankers can answer this for me better. I ordered the DragonFly cab from Ed and will have to fashion my own landing gear.

Not sure that pic post went successful, prolly two pics which the preview doesn't show, stupid head thing.

Anyway for the front nose wheel gear, what size should I be looking for?? This is for the EXI 450 remember. Also.. For the two mainrear wheels what sizes there too?? I'm thinking of putting the lower flat looking strut on a hinge type of connection and the rod I want to put on a shock absorber. Probably mount that just inside the canopy. This would give it a little bounce whenit settles instead of a more solid bump... My thinking anyway. Unless someone already has tried this and it don't work.

Any help would be appreciated

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Dawg....40mm foam with plastic hubs for the mains....I'd guess 25-30mm on the nose.

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RE: EXI-450 discussions/mods/scale projects - 10/15/2008 12:31 AM   
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Hey The H-5 Shipped out this afternoon, The wheels, Id use 1 inch on the rears and 3/4 on the nose. You dont have to use my directions to make landing gear, I have to admit, they are a little outdated but you will get the gist of the concept. Since making the H-5 gear(over several years ago) Making a platform and nose wheel mount can be done much simplier than in the instructions. Just to give you some idea, Heres my Chassis for my 450 Hind D, using the hind Chassis, I just want to point out the nose gear block which is made from a square block of pine with a 1/16 hole drilled through it. It is glued to the chassis plate and the the hole is drilled through it also so that the 1/16 hole passes through the block and chassis plate. The nose gear wire is cut to length and wheel collars hold the wire in place and the height is adjustable by adjusting the wheel collars. With a bent type of landing gear such as the H-5 and Hind, The wheel will caster really well and you will be able to ground taxi all over the place if you like.

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RE: EXI-450 discussions/mods/scale projects - 10/15/2008 12:33 AM   
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Ok... Thats a start... appreciate it. You may not be familiar with RC cars/trucks and things but I can buy shocks from 10mm and bigger. Shouldn't be an overly complicated thing to fashion a set of shocks that will offer a little give when setting down. For now Im on the hunt for wheel sets.

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Ed... NICE!!! will be looking forward to BOTH... the heli cab and the wheel ideas... Thx mon... should be 'wheelie' nice... sic!!!

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RE: EXI-450 discussions/mods/scale projects - 10/15/2008 2:32 AM   
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Loh, Your OH-6a is amazing! Great job On pictures, if your camera has a button on the back that has a symbol of a flower... that is the macro setting. Push it and you'll get great up close focused shots. I can't wait to see your OH-6a finished, your paving the way for mine

Oh my gosh Ed, that Hind is great! On the scale wheel thing. You can always mock up a size using crad board and a compass. Most wheel are sold in inches in increments or 1/4.

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RE: EXI-450 discussions/mods/scale projects - 10/15/2008 2:42 AM   
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Loh, Your OH-6a is amazing! Great job On pictures, if your camera has a button on the back that has a symbol of a flower... that is the macro setting. Push it and you'll get great up close focused shots. I can't wait to see your OH-6a finished, your paving the way for mine

Oh my gosh Ed, that Hind is great! On the scale wheel thing. You can always mock up a size using crad board and a compass. Most wheel are sold in inches in increments or 1/4.

Blessings!

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BP hobbies sells them by MM....I got the 40MM for the Corsair. They're extremely light foam tires and the wheel assembly is tough enough to withstand a pretty good hit if needed.

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RE: EXI-450 discussions/mods/scale projects - 10/15/2008 7:19 PM   
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I'd like to use BP hobbies but their shipping rates are crazy. I WAS going to order some wheels and scale landing gear from them and the total cost of the parts was just under $20. We are talking a small package and very light... shipping was $17.00... To use the USPS to mail the parts to me... hats about an extra $15.00 for handling... way... to much for my bank acct... to bad.. I didn't remember this until I started the check out and saw that the shipping was so high. I even removed a $12 item so my parts cost was about $7.00 and shipping didn't change... Won't be using them anytime soon and even removed them from my bookmarks.

oh well there be others with supplies I need

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I'd like to use BP hobbies but their shipping rates are crazy. I WAS going to order some wheels and scale landing gear from them and the total cost of the parts was just under $20. We are talking a small package and very light... shipping was $17.00... To use the USPS to mail the parts to me... hats about an extra $15.00 for handling... way... to much for my bank acct... to bad.. I didn't remember this until I started the check out and saw that the shipping was so high. I even removed a $12 item so my parts cost was about $7.00 and shipping didn't change... Won't be using them anytime soon and even removed them from my bookmarks.

oh well there be others with supplies I need

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tower hobbies.......ship is reasonable

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RE: EXI-450 discussions/mods/scale projects - 10/16/2008 10:26 PM   
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Loh, Your OH-6a is amazing! Great job On pictures, if your camera has a button on the back that has a symbol of a flower... that is the macro setting. Push it and you'll get great up close focused shots. I can't wait to see your OH-6a finished, your paving the way for mine

Oh my gosh Ed, that Hind is great! On the scale wheel thing. You can always mock up a size using crad board and a compass. Most wheel are sold in inches in increments or 1/4.

Blessings!

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Thanx for the tip radioflyer.Here's some pics of using that macro thingy/setting.I did get to finaly paint the flat white on the backbone today.I'll wet sand it tomorrow.I bought some satin clear to cover everything (cept the bubbles) after i get the decals.That will be a little while longer.
Ed:My apologies for losing my cool.If it wouldn't be too much to ask,talk to us,maybe not at us,nuff said on that.That Hind is somethin else,and I like the job on the flightdeck and the landing gear.Done gave me some ideas there,thanx.
Radioflyer,thanx for the compliments man,it means a lot to me.I didn't know you wanted to do a OH-6A.If I can help ya,just say th' word bro.
-lohchief

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RE: EXI-450 discussions/mods/scale projects - 10/17/2008 12:37 AM   
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Loh, Your OH-6a is amazing! Great job On pictures, if your camera has a button on the back that has a symbol of a flower... that is the macro setting. Push it and you'll get great up close focused shots. I can't wait to see your OH-6a finished, your paving the way for mine

Oh my gosh Ed, that Hind is great! On the scale wheel thing. You can always mock up a size using crad board and a compass. Most wheel are sold in inches in increments or 1/4.

Blessings!

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Thanx for the tip radioflyer.Here's some pics of using that macro thingy/setting.I did get to finaly paint the flat white on the backbone today.I'll wet sand it tomorrow.I bought some satin clear to cover everything (cept the bubbles) after i get the decals.That will be a little while longer.
Ed:My apologies for losing my cool.If it wouldn't be too much to ask,talk to us,maybe not at us,nuff said on that.That Hind is somethin else,and I like the job on the flightdeck and the landing gear.Done gave me some ideas there,thanx.
Radioflyer,thanx for the compliments man,it means a lot to me.I didn't know you wanted to do a OH-6A.If I can help ya,just say th' word bro.
-lohchief

I kinda did get my feelings hurt, Apologies accepted of course But Im only trying to be of some kinda help. A while back I did and others did also try to inform Align/Scaloheli producer to make some changes on the MD500 so that it had more of a scale look. Look at the Align 600 size MD500 and look at their 450 size MD500. They got the 600 size right. They did widen the windshield which was pretty narrow. The landing gear still needs some attention and the T-Tail outter vertical fins are wrong. The critique isnt meant to try to promote my stuff but man, Im a lover of the MD500 and If they are going to do it, at least get it close. I can remember when I first started doing bodies, I gotta admit i was still learning and what helped me was some constructive critisisim. They still arent perfect and every now and then I revist the designs for updating. My MD500 is on version three (V3). It took me a while to go from the earlier version to the present versions. Its because of some of the feedback, both good and bad to manufacturers that many improvements can be and are made.

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RE: EXI-450 discussions/mods/scale projects - 10/17/2008 1:43 AM   
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Loh, Your OH-6a is amazing! Great job On pictures, if your camera has a button on the back that has a symbol of a flower... that is the macro setting. Push it and you'll get great up close focused shots. I can't wait to see your OH-6a finished, your paving the way for mine

Oh my gosh Ed, that Hind is great! On the scale wheel thing. You can always mock up a size using crad board and a compass. Most wheel are sold in inches in increments or 1/4.

Blessings!

Jay

Thanx for the tip radioflyer.Here's some pics of using that macro thingy/setting.I did get to finaly paint the flat white on the backbone today.I'll wet sand it tomorrow.I bought some satin clear to cover everything (cept the bubbles) after i get the decals.That will be a little while longer.
Ed:My apologies for losing my cool.If it wouldn't be too much to ask,talk to us,maybe not at us,nuff said on that.That Hind is somethin else,and I like the job on the flightdeck and the landing gear.Done gave me some ideas there,thanx.
Radioflyer,thanx for the compliments man,it means a lot to me.I didn't know you wanted to do a OH-6A.If I can help ya,just say th' word bro.
-lohchief

I kinda did get my feelings hurt, Apologies accepted of course But Im only trying to be of some kinda help. A while back I did and others did also try to inform Align/Scaloheli producer to make some changes on the MD500 so that it had more of a scale look. Look at the Align 600 size MD500 and look at their 450 size MD500. They got the 600 size right. They did widen the windshield which was pretty narrow. The landing gear still needs some attention and the T-Tail outter vertical fins are wrong. The critique isnt meant to try to promote my stuff but man, Im a lover of the MD500 and If they are going to do it, at least get it close. I can remember when I first started doing bodies, I gotta admit i was still learning and what helped me was some constructive critisisim. They still arent perfect and every now and then I revist the designs for updating. My MD500 is on version three (V3). It took me a while to go from the earlier version to the present versions. Its because of some of the feedback, both good and bad to manufacturers that many improvements can be and are made.


I do like the OH6 that Chief is building (I could build one and like it), but (and it's JUST personal pref), I think the MD500 is nearly as UGLY as AirWolf as far as civillian helicopters go. A LOT of people HATE the Navy's SH2F ASW helicopter, and I'll be the first to say it's UGLY, but I still like it... dunno why.

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RE: EXI-450 discussions/mods/scale projects - 10/17/2008 2:00 AM   
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hey guys. all your fuselages look freaking awesome. i have a question. what kind of paint are you guys using and what are you using to apply it? and are you guys using clear coat?


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RE: EXI-450 discussions/mods/scale projects - 10/17/2008 2:22 AM   
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Ugly helicopters do have an appeal. I personally think the H-5 is an ugly helicopter, so is the Hind and also the Skycrane. really they are Uuuugggllly!!!! But I like em. This sounds stupid to say but have you ever seen an "unattractive" woman but something about her was attractive, mabey the personality.... I know beauty is in the eye of the beholder, Im just trying to make a point. I really hate to call someone ugly. We are all ugly or unattractive to someone.

Paint: I myself use off the shelf spray paint (Krylon brand) Clearcoat sometimes but not often, very rare. On the FG fuselages you have more paint type options than you do with the plastic fuselages. Some paints will conflict with plastics.

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