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Hobbizone Arobird Swift - 9/7/2008 2:12:56 AM

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Hello all,

I need some help from someone with experience using the aerobird swift.
On my first flight I noticed that the plane is constantly dropping the left wing, wanting to turn in that direction.
In order to have the plane flying straight I've had to trim the controller all the way to the right.
I find a little strange as the instruction manual states to both ailerons have to be level with the rest of the wing surface.
I landed the plane check and everything seems to be in order, the wing is firmly in place and its level.
I proceeded to move the control surfaces so I can re-center the trim in the remote control.
I just find this strange.

Any comment will be appreciated.
Thanks.

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RE: Hobbizone Arobird Swift - 9/8/2008 3:53:10 PM

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Your experience is just the standard need for trimming the controls. Nothing unusual and nothing to worry about. Go fly and have fun.

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RE: Hobbizone Arobird Swift - 9/8/2008 8:29:49 PM

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The ailerons should be close to level with the rest of the wing surface for neutral flight (no rolling). If you had to trim the very far from level to keep it from rolling, you may have a warped wing.

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RE: Hobbizone Arobird Swift - 9/9/2008 12:07:17 AM

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Hello -pkh-:

Could you please explaine what is a "warped wing"?

I have to trim A LOT, the controller is full to the right in trim and it still dips a little to the left.

Should I get a new wing?

Thanks.

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RE: Hobbizone Arobird Swift - 9/9/2008 8:31:01 AM

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ORIGINAL: fmf_rc

Hello -pkh-:

Could you please explaine what is a "warped wing"?

I have to trim A LOT, the controller is full to the right in trim and it still dips a little to the left.

Should I get a new wing?

Thanks.

I just mean the standard definition of warped, i.e. distorted or twisted. Look at the wing and see if you can tell if it is distorted or twisted. The right side should be the same as the left. If it is warped, you might see the leading or trailing edges of one side higher than the other. If the wing is warped or distorted, you'll have to trim one aileron higher than the other to get it to fly level.

As far as the trim position goes, it doesn't matter what the controller trim is at. If you maxed out the controller trim to the right, then mechanically adjust the aileron trim until it flies level with the controller trim close to center.

The real question is, once you have it trimmed out to fly level, what do the ailerons look like? If one aileron is much higher than the other for level flight, then you probably have a distorted wing. If the ailerons are about the same and level with the wing after trimming it out, then the wing is fine, and you just need to adjust the aileron control linkages so your controller trim is near the center.

< Message edited by -pkh- -- 9/9/2008 8:35:19 AM >

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RE: Hobbizone Arobird Swift - 9/9/2008 6:32:12 PM

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THANKS -pkh- !!!,

There is a difference between right and left wing. The wing in the swift goes a little up close to the edge of the wing; one of them has a little more "angle".

Currently aileron is 3/16 of an inch from the rest of the level of the wing surface.

I'll leave it like that for some time and then I will replace wing.

Thanks a lot for the explanation and comments, I was trying to figure it out for some time....

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RE: Hobbizone Arobird Swift - 9/9/2008 8:33:37 PM

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No problem, glad to help out. If you just bought the plane, you might want to contact Horizon and see if they will send you a free replacement wing(s) under warranty.

I've flown with warped/distorted wings on crashed/rebuilt planes before. Trimming the warp/distortion out with the ailerons is not the ideal solution, but the plane still flies and it's a free solution! It's not ideal because you may find that you can trim it out at one speed, and at faster/slower speeds it will roll a little one way or the other (that was my experience).

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RE: Hobbizone Arobird Swift - 9/10/2008 1:03:20 AM

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Hello -pkh-

They are sending me a new wing!!!

THANKS.

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RE: Hobbizone Arobird Swift - 9/20/2008 10:12:39 AM

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Wouldn't waste your money on a new wing instead I'd put that plane in the bin and buy something decent, it was the worst piece of junk I ever had !!!!!!!
Sorry to be so blunt but I spent ages and lots of money with new wings, trying to replace fuselage etc before I finally saw the light and got a MiniMag on recommendation which also made me realise how bad this was.

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RE: Hobbizone Arobird Swift - 10/6/2008 12:51:36 PM

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There is a dedicated Thread for the Aerobird Swift, I know 'cos I was one of the idiots who fell for the advertising Hype and bought one!!!

Twenty planes and 2 years later I agree totally with Witterins - its rubbish (or 'garbage' as you might call it!!). Hide it somehere in the house and buy a decent plane, then go back to it in 2 years and see if you cn get it fly as well as you're other newer ones.....you won't!!

There are lots of peopl who will disagree, but do I give a F..... - sue me!!!

Wittings - nice to see another brit here pal

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RE: Hobbizone Arobird Swift - 10/8/2008 5:56:59 PM

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I concur. The Swift is an awful plane. The wings are too long and the unit is underpowered. The two worst planes you could own as a beginner is the Aerobird Swift and the Parkzone P51 Mustang. If it were me, I would put my money in the Parkzone Corsair or T-28 for ailerons or the Aerobird 3 for non-aileron. Both types are easy to fly and fly great.

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RE: Hobbizone Arobird Swift - 10/9/2008 1:42:35 PM

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Johnpcunnigham,

With the exception of the Aerobird3, none of the planes that you mention are "beginner" planes. You state that the Swift and the P51 are the two worst planes that you could own as a beginner. You are right, but you could add hundreds, if not thousands, of planes to this list since THEY ARE NOT BEGINNER PLANES! The Swift is clearly identified as a plane for INTERMEDIATE flyers and the P51 is for INTERMEDIATE/ADVANCED flyers. You mention that the T-28 or the Corsair would be better planes. Better for a beginner? Absolutely not. The T-28 is an intermediate level plane and the Corsair is an Intermediate/advanced level plane. Does the T-28 fly better than the Swift? Absolutely. Does the Corsair fly better than the P-51? Without a doubt. However, you need to be very clear and careful in what you describe, since there are numerous beginners trying to learn from the experience of others and misleading comments, like the ones that you made in your post, are counterproductive and damaging.

Horizon Hobby, through their HobbyZone and ParkZone lines of planes, have had many good planes and a surprising number of great planes; planes that have become the standard by which others are judged. Unfortunately, they have also had some poor planes. The worst is the Firebird Freedom. The SuperDecathlon was pretty bad and the Swift is not great. On the flip side, they have the best first, second and third planes that you can buy:
- Best first plane: SuperCub
- Best second plane: T-28 Trojan
- Best third plane: Corsair

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RE: Hobbizone Arobird Swift - 10/13/2008 9:43:15 PM

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I was just checking back on this thread, and at this point I have to agree that the aerobird swift is a plane that has more faults than good characteristics.
I've never intended the swift as my beginner plane, but this is advertised as an aileron trainer.
I have a lot of flight time using the Super Cub and also the Aerobird 3, but at some point you just want more.
I did used the Aerobird Swift as my first aileron trainer but I have to agree that I would have had a lot more of success if I had used any other plane, the flight characteristics of the plane are pretty bad, on all the bad stuff that has been said about it is true.
After learning aileron using the swift a got a really sweet deal for an Parkzone Stryker and also I bought a Parkflyers Gee-Bee and I have to say that after flying those two planes I can agree that the swift is a piece of crap, Just the other day I went to the field with the swift and after one battery pack I asked my self... Why the hell I'm I trying to fly such a bad plane?
Currently the plane is retired in my wall, and I'll probably reuse the servos for some other project, also I forgot to mention that the original ESC and RX combo burned randomly one day, all my planes including the swift are running using spketrum RX and TX.
The swift was a hard as hell plane to learn ailerons and is not a good trainer.
I will post a new thread with this comments so people can have some perspective.

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