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Honeybee motor_ESC - 9/21/2008 6:38:36 PM   
EricOnTheWeb



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Status: online 		I'm getting a Honeybee to practice on before I get my Belt-CP flying. I know it comes with a junk motor, but I'll try to fly with it until it gives up.
Question is... When I upgrade to a brushless for the HoneyBee, do I need to also use a different ESC? I ask this, because the RTF HBK11 I can get for like 149 dollars, but if the motor and ESC need to be purchased seperate for the upgrade then it will equal out to the price of a RTF Belt-CP..

May as well just get a RTF Belt-CP, because it has a brushless motor *confused* Although I could fly the HoneyBee inside this winter(small enough)
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RE: Honeybee motor_ESC - 9/21/2008 7:16:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		If I am not mistake on the Honey Bee FP and CP comes with a 4 in 1 which has the ESC. receiver Gyro and so on all in one. This is the cheapest way I know of going brushless on the Honey Bee FP or CP and keeping the 4 in 1.
http://www.helidirect.com/product_info.php?cPath=44_385&products_id=4111

If you do not keep the 4 in 1 you will not only need an ESC but a receiver, and gyro.

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RE: Honeybee motor_ESC - 9/27/2008 11:17:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		Is this on a Honeybee King ll were talking about here? or ??
The new King lll come with a brushless motor and matching esc along with the belt upgrade and a 2.4 radio.
For less then 149 (more like 130$) you can get the older King ll but it costs close to 50$ to upgrade to a brushless motor and esc. However as it is a lighte heli then the Belt CP it doesn't cause as much self inflicted damage on minor crashs. heavier helis have more weigh hence more enerta and cause more damage to themselves (and furniture)..also king is a little less costly and easier to repair then the Belt CP. Belt being larger and heavier is more stable outside and less resestent to minor wind and currents. Belt CP motor will along with the esc will fit right into the King. Most likely you will upgrade the motor in the Belt and just about any motor and esc you put in the Belt can be installed in the King while you learn. So if you have both Helis your way ahead of the game

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RE: Honeybee motor_ESC - 9/27/2008 8:10:26 PM   
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Status: online 		You're saying the "new" version of the HoneyBee is less money than the old? really?..

Belt upgrade?...the King 2 is belt driven I thought..

Oh... my Belt CP is bare bones..has no motor or anything, so I can't pull the motor out of it for the HB2..

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RE: Honeybee motor_ESC - 9/27/2008 11:06:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		If I'm not mistaken you have a king2 not the honey bee FP?
I have the two helis king2 RTF and a belt cp barebones. My king's brushed motor smoked after only 4-5 hover but didnt die. I bought a 3100kv/esc combo but it wasnt good at all. 3100 has low torque and rpm the heli takes off the ground at 80 to 90% throttle and you could barely hold the tail even at hover. So buy a 3900 or the better 3800 belt cp motor(requires a little mod) but with the 3800 you will be able to swap it into the belt cp

Hope it could help

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RE: Honeybee motor_ESC - 9/27/2008 11:51:44 PM   
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Status: online 		Well I can get a HBking2 RTF for 149.00(new) but if the motor and esc suck so badly then I'll be getting a brushless and new speed control that will probably add another 50 dollars to the price bringing it to 200 bucks RTF.

A RTF Belt CP I can get for 200 bucks with a brushless... I guess it comes down to what size you want.. fly the small HB indoors or the bigger Belt outside..

Basicly you get more chopper for the same money if you get a Belt CP.. it doesn't make sense and why did they sell Kings with such bad motors??

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RE: Honeybee motor_ESC - 9/28/2008 3:36:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thats why they made the HBK3 with brushless upgrade and a HH gyro.
It depends on your taste. King2 is a bit easier to repair and there is too many upgrade parts out there to make it a better heli(as your flying skills growing). But I have to mention that the Belt cp is not a bad heli at all, its RTF is much better than the RTF king with that great 3800 high torque motor and a 1800mah 20c battery its only 50$ more than the king. But you already bought that belt cp bare bones, if you have a decent radio system then buy other equipment and run your belt. And if you dont have any electronics you can buy something like king2 or king3 then you have the ability to swap most of the elecs right onto the belt cp in the future

King2 is not that much little enough to fly indoors if you're a starter like me. Belt cp however is much more stable in small winds and I perefer to setting up my belt and runnig it in these windy days.

One other thing, if you decided to run your belt its better to not to install that esky brushless esc. You may seen in some threads people fried their esky escs because of the motor high ampere draw and heli's heavier weight. Buy somthing like 30~40Amp and you would be fine
Dont buy anything in hurry, follow other people's opinions they have alot of good experiences. Take a look at honey bee king2 tuner shop and belt cp thread. They helped me a lot.

Have fun

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RE: Honeybee motor_ESC - 9/28/2008 7:25:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		Don't we wish they priced it as to what it is worth. The old King ll with the brushed motor is around 130 +shipping sometimes down to 120 on Ebay (outfit was out of NY and was a "buy it now" .
Not sure what the King lll should be I think its like 230. But I saw one for 189 from same vendor the other week.
"Belt upgrade" is a 43 tooth cog pulley and a longer belt and upgraded bearings for the belt idlers. It increases the slow tail rotor speed and gives you much more control. The bearings are a retrofit as the idlers some of the older Kings tend to let the belt slip of the idler and you lose all control of the tail in a instant. (like crash). This cures that problem with a added flange bearing which is really only needed on one side. The later King ll and the King lll have already addressed this problem with updated idler system essentally they looked at the upgrade kit and put the same bearings in all the later Kings.
Should clarify that the idlers are actually small bearings with flanges on one side, I used that nominclature for idlers-bearings interchangeably.

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RE: Honeybee motor_ESC - 9/28/2008 12:32:13 PM   
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Status: online 		I just Ordered a RTF Belt-CP lol(god help me)... I have a bareBones Belt-CP, but I know nothing about setting them up and all that... I just want to get started flying, so I'll just deal with the exploding ESC, and use the bareBones for parts.

At least after flying the RTF I'll know better how they work and what I would like when I get a new heli to customize..

At least with e Belt I'll just have to get a ESC when it pops, and not both a motor and ESC as with the HB.

Done deal and I'll be flying soon lol

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RE: Honeybee motor_ESC - 9/29/2008 1:00:47 AM   
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Status: online 		UPDATE... I know I am being way to picky, but I just cancled my Belt order in favor for a RTF HBKing.. I cannot wait to start playing with one of these and the Bare CP is to hard for me to figure out right now...

I'm just going to charge up the HB and start learning this hobby... No more procrastinating lol.

I'm leaving it complete stock....with brushed motor..

Sorry for being a pain lol.. thanks for all replies.

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RE: Honeybee motor_ESC - 9/30/2008 2:09:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		The HBking is not going to be any easier to fly then the belt CP and in some way not as easy as it is smaller. Both the HB King and the belt CP are collective pitch. Just the belt CP is bigger and more stable.
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RE: Honeybee motor_ESC - 9/30/2008 5:59:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: EricOnTheWeb

UPDATE... I know I am being way to picky, but I just cancled my Belt order in favor for a RTF HBKing.. I cannot wait to start playing with one of these and the Bare CP is to hard for me to figure out right now...

I'm just going to charge up the HB and start learning this hobby... No more procrastinating lol.

I'm leaving it complete stock....with brushed motor..

Sorry for being a pain lol.. thanks for all replies.


that brushed motor wont last long... trust me. plus it gets insanely hot. so hot that the solder on it will melt! my brushed motor got so hot that it melt the servo arm that was close to the motor. if you're going to fly the brushed motor than try not to fly it extended amount of time. if it gets hot let it get cooled down for 10 minutes before flying it again. trust me man brushless motor is the way to go. more power, more efficient, longer flight times, cooler electronics. just about every positive you can think of.

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