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Messersmichtt Bf-108 Taifun? - 9/25/2008 5:59 AM

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Does anyone have any information on the Messerschmidt Bf-108 Taifun? Some time back Hobby-Lobby used to sell a ( 1:6 scale I believe) of this Nazi laison and command transport aircraft. They no longer offer this scale plane anymore.

The web have some information on the Bf-108 which I believe is a retractable gear version of the Taifun. A friend told me there were 1:5 scale plans for sale from a Canadian company, I can't find any information on the net for these folks.

I'm planning on building a 1:4 scale version and can use any information. Thank you in advance for any help anyone may be able to provide.

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RE: Messersmichtt Bf-108 Taifun? - 9/25/2008 7:35 AM

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The Bf 108 has always had retracts since 1934...

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RE: Messersmichtt Bf-108 Taifun? - 9/25/2008 7:35 AM

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Graupner sells an ARf version; Euro to dollar conversion is a killer though:

https://shop.graupner.de/webuerp/servlet/AI?ARTN=9387

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RE: Messersmichtt Bf-108 Taifun? - 9/25/2008 1:34 PM

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Hi Airtech,

there is a 1:4 Kit available in Germany, maybe you try to get in contact with them. I´m sure they also speak or understand english:

http://www.modellbaumuder.de/me108.htm

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RE: Messersmichtt Bf-108 Taifun? - 9/25/2008 9:46 PM

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The Bf 108 has always had retracts since 1934...

I may be confusing the Bucker Bu-181 Bestmann with the Bf 108.

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Graupner sells an ARf version; Euro to dollar conversion is a killer though:

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Hi Airtech,

there is a 1:4 Kit available in Germany, maybe you try to get in contact with them. I´m sure they also speak or understand english:

http://www.modellbaumuder.de/me108.htm

Hope this helps

Peter

Thank you very much guys. I will rather purchase plans so I could cut my own kit. Anyway I need to get on the search for three views and other scale information. By the way, is there a difference between a Bf 108 and a Me 108? Or is the Me 108 a misnomer for the Bf 108?

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RE: Messersmichtt Bf-108 Taifun? - 9/25/2008 10:21 PM

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developed by Bayerische Flugzeugwerke (Bavarian Aircraft Works)
as was the bf109 later becoming ME108-109

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RE: Messersmichtt Bf-108 Taifun? - 9/25/2008 11:27 PM

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A guy here locally has several WWII aircraft, including a 108 and a 208:

http://www.fighterfactory.com/airworthy-aircraft/aircraft-liaison.php

I'll probably be down there tomorrow; if you want a specific picture let me know today and I'll see if I can get it for you.

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RE: Messersmichtt Bf-108 Taifun? - 9/26/2008 10:55 PM

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A guy here locally has several WWII aircraft, including a 108 and a 208:

http://www.fighterfactory.com/airworthy-aircraft/aircraft-liaison.php

I'll probably be down there tomorrow; if you want a specific picture let me know today and I'll see if I can get it for you.

Found out plans for 77" wingspan Bf-108 at http://www.shop4rc.com/shopdisplayproducts.asp?Search=Yes&sppp=10. The only issue will be to have the plans blown up by approximately 6% to fit a 1:4 scale ratio.
(27.23Ft. original wingspan = 326.76"/4 = 81.69")

I calculate the final weight to be around 12Lbs, which could be powered easily by a 28cc engine. I only need to find out a colorful camo scheme to replicate. I could use any color pictures I can get.

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RE: Messersmichtt Bf-108 Taifun? - 10/13/2008 7:09 AM

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A guy here locally has several WWII aircraft, including a 108 and a 208:

http://www.fighterfactory.com/airworthy-aircraft/aircraft-liaison.php

I'll probably be down there tomorrow; if you want a specific picture let me know today and I'll see if I can get it for you.

Found out plans for 77" wingspan Bf-108 at http://www.shop4rc.com/shopdisplayproducts.asp?Search=Yes&sppp=10. The only issue will be to have the plans blown up by approximately 6% to fit a 1:4 scale ratio.
(27.23Ft. original wingspan = 326.76"/4 = 81.69")

I calculate the final weight to be around 12Lbs, which could be powered easily by a 28cc engine. I only need to find out a colorful camo scheme to replicate. I could use any color pictures I can get.

You should recheck your dimensions for the full scale BF-108. The wingspan you posted is the length, wingspan is 34' 5" per the information at
Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Bf_108

FWIW: I recently acquired a Graupner ME-108 from a friend who bought one of the last kits Hobby Lobby had in stock. This is the one in Swiss livery. I did the maiden flight today and was very happy with the flight characteristics, it's a very nice flying model. I powered it with a Saito .80 FS, and it had plenty of power, flew with authority. I haven't weighed the plane, I'd guess it's about 10 -11 lbs. Only down side is the short nose moment. I had to add 6 ounces of Prather stick weight to the motor mount to get the CG. Now I'm thinking about scuffing the plastic covering with a Scotch Brite pad and giving it a respray with proper Luftwaffe camo and markings.

Rich

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RE: Messersmichtt Bf-108 Taifun? - 10/13/2008 8:38 PM

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A guy here locally has several WWII aircraft, including a 108 and a 208:

http://www.fighterfactory.com/airworthy-aircraft/aircraft-liaison.php

I'll probably be down there tomorrow; if you want a specific picture let me know today and I'll see if I can get it for you.

Found out plans for 77" wingspan Bf-108 at http://www.shop4rc.com/shopdisplayproducts.asp?Search=Yes&sppp=10. The only issue will be to have the plans blown up by approximately 6% to fit a 1:4 scale ratio.
(27.23Ft. original wingspan = 326.76"/4 = 81.69")

I calculate the final weight to be around 12Lbs, which could be powered easily by a 28cc engine. I only need to find out a colorful camo scheme to replicate. I could use any color pictures I can get.

You should recheck your dimensions for the full scale BF-108. The wingspan you posted is the length, wingspan is 34' 5" per the information at
Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Bf_108

FWIW: I recently acquired a Graupner ME-108 from a friend who bought one of the last kits Hobby Lobby had in stock. This is the one in Swiss livery. I did the maiden flight today and was very happy with the flight characteristics, it's a very nice flying model. I powered it with a Saito .80 FS, and it had plenty of power, flew with authority. I haven't weighed the plane, I'd guess it's about 10 -11 lbs. Only down side is the short nose moment. I had to add 6 ounces of Prather stick weight to the motor mount to get the CG. Now I'm thinking about scuffing the plastic covering with a Scotch Brite pad and giving it a respray with proper Luftwaffe camo and markings.

Rich

Thank you very much Rick,
I did made the error of using the length to calculate the scale size. The correct wingspan for the full scale is 34'5" which equates to 413"/4=103.25". At that wingspan I need to recalculate the projected weight and powerplant. I figure I should be looking at a 30 to 40cc gas engine to power this model.

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RE: Messersmichtt Bf-108 Taifun? - 10/13/2008 10:02 PM

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Does anyone have any information on the Messerschmidt Bf-108 Taifun? .................

I beleive the ME-108 started out as a 4 place civilian plane design, very simular in performance to the early Beechcraft Bonanza, by Willey Messerschmitt. The ME-109 was a fighter design, that evolved somewhat from the ME-108. BOTH featured leading edge/ retractable wing slats, which provided better slow speed performance.
ME-108s were used in at least 1 movie, to represent/ simulate ME-109s

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RE: Messersmichtt Bf-108 Taifun? - 10/13/2008 10:14 PM

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Does anyone have any information on the Messerschmidt Bf-108 Taifun? .................

I beleive the ME-108 started out as a 4 place civilian plane design, very simular in performance to the early Beechcraft Bonanza, by Willey Messerschmitt. The ME-109 was a fighter design, that evolved somewhat from the ME-108. BOTH featured leading edge/ retractable wing slats, which provided better slow speed performance.
ME-108s were used in at least 1 movie, to represent/ simulate ME-109s

You are correct in regards the basic design. Although I wasn't aware the 109 had leading edge slats?

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RE: Messersmichtt Bf-108 Taifun? - 10/14/2008 2:02 AM

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VQ has one coming this late fall.... approx 71" wingspan with retracts ARF!

www.vqwarbirds.com

info@vqwarbirds.com for more info!

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RE: Messersmichtt Bf-108 Taifun? - 10/14/2008 2:28 AM

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..................You are correct in regards the basic design. Although I wasn't aware the 109 had leading edge slats?

You can read about it here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Me-109

My info dates back to a very old Martin Caidin booklet: "ME-109..". I had to really do some digging to verify my statement, I've had the book for MANY, MANY years (30 or more?), and it's been a long time since I read it (cover to cover). But I found the booklet and the statements about the slats.
Another way to verify this is to locate some actual pictures of an ME-109 on the ground, as the slats would be out/ extending forward of the feading edge.

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RE: Messersmichtt Bf-108 Taifun? - 10/14/2008 6:12 AM

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..................You are correct in regards the basic design. Although I wasn't aware the 109 had leading edge slats?

You can read about it here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Me-109

My info dates back to a very old Martin Caidin booklet: "ME-109..". I had to really do some digging to verify my statement, I've had the book for MANY, MANY years (30 or more?), and it's been a long time since I read it (cover to cover). But I found the booklet and the statements about the slats.
Another way to verify this is to locate some actual pictures of an ME-109 on the ground, as the slats would be out/ extending forward of the leading edge.

You are correct. According to the Wikipedia information the 109 required not only slats but in addition Fowler type flaps and flaperons. All that necessary because the small wing area designed for high speed was to unstable at lower speeds. Thank you for the clarification.

Although I am interested on the ME-108 since I am planning on a fully detailed version adequate for scale competition. In scale competition size does matter a lot and the large five passenger cockpit lends for better scale detail. Besides that the 108 should turn out to be a much docile flier than a 109, and because it's a less modeled aircraft it will tend to gather higher static points.

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RE: Messersmichtt Bf-108 Taifun? - 10/28/2008 5:48 PM

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hi airtech....we share the same interest...been taking loads of photos of the 108....also collecting info...manuals/interior dwgs...etc....plan is coming on.....doing this while i do my 1/6 scale corsair...

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RE: Messersmichtt Bf-108 Taifun? - 10/28/2008 9:46 PM

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hi airtech....we share the same interest...been taking loads of photos of the 108....also collecting info...manuals/interior dwgs...etc....plan is coming on.....doing this while i do my 1/6 scale corsair...

Scaleman

I am glad to find someone with similar interests. We can help each each other on this endeavor. We should stay in touch , I will love to trade all information I can get my hands on. This is the linkhttps://shop.traplet.com/product.aspx?c=592 for plans offered by Traplet Publication. Which plans have you ordered, and where I can get more information on good plans? I want to go 1/4 scale so may need to blow up plans.

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RE: Messersmichtt Bf-108 Taifun? - 10/28/2008 10:14 PM

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airtech.....

the drawing above is the plan!..........i've scanned into autocad the arthur bentley plans at 1/48 scale........then drawn over the top....the dwg above is full size so it can be what ever size i want.......

the traplet plan isn't scale....don't use it......i've got it......i know simon very well having written for his scale mag for 5 years...RCSI

it's better to draw up your own.......you won't find any plans that are scale apart from ones drawn yourself...this is what i'm doing...

be careful...there's a lot of Me108's out there......but are french made not german...they have different parts.....instrument panel for one.....cowls is another along with engine types....

once the overall plan is done...next will be working out ribs/ fuz sections and spar configuations...

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RE: Messersmichtt Bf-108 Taifun? - 10/29/2008 2:33 AM

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airtech.....

the drawing above is the plan!..........i've scanned into autocad the arthur bentley plans at 1/48 scale........then drawn over the top....the dwg above is full size so it can be what ever size i want.......

the traplet plan isn't scale....don't use it......i've got it......i know simon very well having written for his scale mag for 5 years...RCSI

it's better to draw up your own.......you won't find any plans that are scale apart from ones drawn yourself...this is what i'm doing...

be careful...there's a lot of Me108's out there......but are french made not german...they have different parts.....instrument panel for one.....cowls is another along with engine types....

once the overall plan is done...next will be working out ribs/ fuz sections and spar configuations...

Thank you for the heads up. I have been researching all over the internet for these plans a fellow from Canada was selling. I recall the plans were in CAD format and were color coded for the kitcutter laser cutter. I have not had any luck finding them so far.

Modellbau Muder sells a full kit for 599 Euros. If the dollar were not that as weak as it is, it may be worthy. In your case it may be a little cheaper since the pound is trading higher. I an tell you like to scratch build so this is just and idea I came across.

I am aware that there are a lot of surviving French built 108's, even many were painted in Luftwaffe colors.

If I ever find that Canadian source I will let you know.

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RE: Messersmichtt Bf-108 Taifun? - 11/30/2009 3:46 AM

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AirTech,

How is your search for the 108 info?
I have this:

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RE: Messersmichtt Bf-108 Taifun? - 11/30/2009 6:06 AM

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Your Canadian source would be Mr. Aerodesign https://mraerodesign.securicom.ca/en/ The plans are no longer listed on his website but if you ask he'd probably sell you a set.

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